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14th November 2011, 19:03
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Originally Posted by axsaxoman
first thing is what is the weight of the car =trailer you are going to tow
that will tell you minimum weight of vehicle to tow it with
so NO a saxo cannot pull another saxo on a trailor
go to the local police station and ,or search on line for towing regs
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Whats the weight of the prime mover got to do with the weight of the trailer and load?
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14th November 2011, 20:54
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the tow car has to exceed the weight of the trailer and its load, so if you have a 350kg trailer and 1ton car, +wheels etc, your not gonna get far with a clio for example, so you need to take into account the total mass of your trailer and load to see which cars are suitable
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14th November 2011, 23:55
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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5
the tow car has to exceed the weight of the trailer and its load, so if you have a 350kg trailer and 1ton car, +wheels etc, your not gonna get far with a clio for example, so you need to take into account the total mass of your trailer and load to see which cars are suitable
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Ever wondered how an artic works then?
A defender has a gross train weight of 7t, the unit weighs 2.5t I would say, leaving 4.5ts for the trailer plus load, perfectly legal and if you know what your doing very easy to drive.
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15th November 2011, 11:38
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Both right! Depends on what license, if the trailer is braked or not and also the vehicle used to tow!
Some cars are OK to tow a load heavier than the car, usually this is due to the fact they have enough power to tow the load safely! Most loads heavier than the car though require braked trailers due to insufficient stopping power! Some cars no matter if the trailer is braked or not just aren't capable of pulling loads greater than the weight of the car!
Examples:
Audi A4 2007 2.0TDI
Weight
1510 kg
Unbraked Towing Weight
750 kg
Braked Towing Weight
1800 kg
Vauxhall Astra 2004 1.4i 16V
Weight
1188 kg
Unbraked Towing Weight
550 kg
Braked Towing Weight
900 kg
Hope this helps!
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15th November 2011, 20:39
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Originally Posted by Saaamon
Ever wondered how an artic works then?
A defender has a gross train weight of 7t, the unit weighs 2.5t I would say, leaving 4.5ts for the trailer plus load, perfectly legal and if you know what your doing very easy to drive.
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as qrty sais really,
in those instances that's what the plates are for mate  this is why your land rover can do this, its been tested and is safe and capable, and artic's etc are designed to do that job, and also have BIG air brakes and lots of torque to cope with any drama if need be,(the shape of an artic also plays a big part, it cuts trough the air and the air rushing past keeps the trailer more stable, where as this is diff in a car as itll most likely be smaller or bigger then your trailer in shape terms) but still nothing saying theyll stil cope in an emergency
your average pcv (car) will not, so you have to be careful, if you have a car weighing under what your trailer and contents weigh, you run a high risk of an accident, there are ppl who run like this for years with no issues, but it only takes one big gradient, one kid to run out... or car to make an emergency stop, and your heavy trailer starts pushing you along the road with your foot welding the brake pedal to the floor, as its too heavy to counter the trailer and the brakes arent capable of stopping it, or if they are the trailer starts to try over take you or forces your wheels to lock and slide, and thats before you get onto windy days etc
if your a driver you should have learned all this yeah? best to stick to the guidlines, keeps everyone safe, and may stop you going to jail if say you kill someone in an accident that possibley wasnt even your fault
guidline is around 85% iirc? may have to check that one.. above this even in normal conditions it can become pretty unstable
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Last edited by blackie_2k5; 15th November 2011 at 21:21.
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15th November 2011, 21:45
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as qrty sais really,
in those instances that's what the plates are for mate this is why your land rover can do this, its been tested and is safe and capable, and artic's etc are designed to do that job, and also have BIG air brakes and lots of torque to cope with any drama if need be,(the shape of an artic also plays a big part, it cuts trough the air and the air rushing past keeps the trailer more stable, where as this is diff in a car as itll most likely be smaller or bigger then your trailer in shape terms) but still nothing saying theyll stil cope in an emergency
your average pcv (car) will not, so you have to be careful, if you have a car weighing under what your trailer and contents weigh, you run a high risk of an accident, there are ppl who run like this for years with no issues, but it only takes one big gradient, one kid to run out... or car to make an emergency stop, and your heavy trailer starts pushing you along the road with your foot welding the brake pedal to the floor, as its too heavy to counter the trailer and the brakes arent capable of stopping it, or if they are the trailer starts to try over take you or forces your wheels to lock and slide, and thats before you get onto windy days etc
if your a driver you should have learned all this yeah? best to stick to the guidlines, keeps everyone safe, and may stop you going to jail if say you kill someone in an accident that possibley wasnt even your fault
guidline is around 85% iirc? may have to check that one.. above this even in normal conditions it can become pretty unstable |
What license do you have? CAT B?
The plating certificate tells you what your car can tow, regardless of anything.
QRTY, all trailers over 750kg must be braked.
Last edited by Saaamon; 15th November 2011 at 22:01.
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17th November 2011, 16:46
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Re: suitable trailers.
If you plan on trailering a saxo/106 they just squeeze onto a Brian James Minno trailer, my BJ Minno weighs 380kg's and i think they take a 1200kg load.
The best thing is the Minno also fits into a std car garage which is handy if your short of garage space.
I park my 106 on the trailer in the garage.
(old pic/old garage)
BJ also do a Clubman trailer that fits in a std size car garage.
Hope this helps.
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17th November 2011, 16:50
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How much are they?
I just got some quotes for my VTS.... No chance is all I'm saying! I'd rather get a tow-bar and a trailer!
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17th November 2011, 16:58
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How much are they?
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I paid £1000 for my trailer a few yrs ago, it has a box for 4 jerry cans/longer ramps & winch fitted.
Some on Pistonheads...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3408534.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3347789.htm
Last edited by Dave_P; 17th November 2011 at 17:02.
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17th November 2011, 20:33
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who says a saxo cant tow another saxo 
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17th November 2011, 20:40
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that right there got my brother 6 points ^^
EDIT- saaaaamon i know  i was only clarifying what johns statement was about
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17th November 2011, 21:46
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Transit van and you'll be sorted 
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17th November 2011, 23:15
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that right there got my brother 6 points ^^
EDIT- saaaaamon i know i was only clarifying what johns statement was about |
Cheers. Just for the record I've got a CE license.
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18th November 2011, 05:41
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From the track.to the gates at donington
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