Wendler's 5/3/1 - Page 2 - Saxperience

matt_vtr_15a · 14th August 2014, 09:34

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Originally Posted by chompy

Why should it be any different for any other type of training? Does nobody else train for competition?

Because there is a distinct difference between bodybuilding and being a competitive strength athlete.

I focus on bodybuilding as a lifestyle, whilst I always aim to progress my lifts and get stronger, my diet and training ultimately are based around increasing muscle mass whilst staying lean.

I can understand the want for grip strength as someone focussed solely on strength but as a bodybuilder you would not sacrifice hitting your back as hard as possible for the sake of using straps.

My grip fails way before my back is close to it's limit, so i'd never hit back close to it's full potential if i relied on my grip only and then it my back would lack as a muscle group.

That's where variation comes into training. I train with and without straps to benefit my grip and forearm strength and also have the ability to push my back to it's absolute limit.

chompy · 14th August 2014, 09:35

Matt, you've been biting far too easy over the past few weeks.

matt_vtr_15a · 14th August 2014, 09:40

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Originally Posted by chompy

Matt, you've been biting far too easy over the past few weeks.

how is that biting? If I was arguing i could understand... Just a general discussion based on something you mentioned.

I didn't realise I got high rate at any point, must be the roids.

McGuire86 · 14th August 2014, 09:59

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Originally Posted by chompy

Never paid attention to it tbh. Just see them in the gym and think it looks like a ridiculous workout

Well now you should understand the point of using straps then. It might look ridiculous to you but that wasn't the topic, just like powerlifting seems pointless to me.

And how was Matt biting? He was simply arguing the point, your logic has been proven wrong so your response is to say he's biting ?

stinkycheese · 14th August 2014, 10:08

Only one way to settle this. Arm wrestle!

With your dicks.

chompy · 14th August 2014, 10:31

Attempted troll fail. I'll go back to the corner...

matt_vtr_15a · 14th August 2014, 11:22

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Originally Posted by chompy

Attempted troll fail. I'll go back to the corner...

Get back in the squat rack and finish your bicep curls you homo!

chompy · 14th August 2014, 11:23

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Originally Posted by matt_vtr_15a

Get back in the squat rack and finish your bicep curls you homo!

but I already did my 3 sets of one 1 rep

stinkycheese · 14th August 2014, 17:38

Just pulled 155kg x2 with chalk. Well chuffed

stinkycheese · 26th August 2014, 19:40

I haven't started this program yet because my lifts haven't plateud.

In on a deadlift kick at the moment.

150kg x5
160kg x3
165kg x1

That's at 75kg BW.

I'm aiming for 180kg for reps. Huge Jackman stylee.

vtrlogan · 27th August 2014, 08:52

Get straps, isolate the back

... Dead lifts are for back not forearms, if your grips giving out you will be focusing on not dropping the bar rather than full contraction on the lower back and legs

stinkycheese · 27th August 2014, 10:19

Chalk has sorted grip issues. It was sweaty hand syndrome.

Giraffe · 27th August 2014, 10:48

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Originally Posted by vtrlogan

Get straps, isolate the back

... Dead lifts are for back not forearms, if your grips giving out you will be focusing on not dropping the bar rather than full contraction on the lower back and legs

Deadlift is whatever muscles it works, it's not an isolation lift so why isolate?

vtrlogan · 27th August 2014, 16:45

Do you do cross fit?... Dead lifts are mainly a lower back move.. What you on about any muscle it works?.. No bi's delts or triceps in dead lifts "brah"

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Originally Posted by Giraffe

Deadlift is whatever muscles it works, it's not an isolation lift so why isolate?

Giraffe · 27th August 2014, 18:18

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Originally Posted by vtrlogan

Do you do cross fit?... Dead lifts are mainly a lower back move.. What you on about any muscle it works?.. No bi's delts or triceps in dead lifts "brah"

I think you'll find it's a posterior chain exercise, not a fucking "lower back" exercise. There is an element of forearms, bi's, delts, traps, full back, hamstrings, your entire core and maybe even calf muscles. It's pretty much your entire posterior chain and then some.

It's like the king of all compound exercises and is really more a powerlifting/strongman movement anyway. Stick to your body building with your lower back curls if you want to isolate your lower back... Jesus christ.

Yates · 27th August 2014, 21:37

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Originally Posted by matt_vtr_15a

I didn't realise I got high rate at any point, must be the roids.

did you mean irate?!

never considered the deadlift a lower back movement, i can kinda see what are you are saying, if keeping legs straight then in a way its the same kind of movement as a good morning, but yeah still never considered it a lower back exercise.