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Old 15th September 2008, 12:16   #1
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Default How To - Clean / Change idle air control valve (guide) and Basic bad idle guide

Still isnt a guide on this and gets asked like daily!

This dosent ALWAYS sort your bad idling out, it can be many other things, however this is a common problem, and this is a guide on cleaning it and replacing one

Tools needed:

T20
T30
Flat screw driver
Carb cleaner spray
and whatever your induction is connected on with or air box.

15min job

Haynes spanner rating out of 5:

(1 spanner that is btw)

1) Ok, i dont think its in the same place on ALL engines so this only applys if your throttle area looks like this:



2) start with taking your induction kit or housing off

3) Here is the idle control valve (ms paint production presents



or in this guide for early HT leaded black tops.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=220032

4) Switch the car on, get your carb cleaner spray and spray it into the top half of this pic, give it some revs and keep spraying. If this fails and dosent sort your idling out then get ya T30 and undo the 3 torx keys, to take the body off



5) the air that goes through the idle control valve is the top half of this pic in the body:



6) Here is the hole from the inside, once your throttle body is off. Try cleaning this area up with some carb cleaner, you can buy this from halfords for like £5, spray a load in there



7) Discconnect all the sensors and the throttle cable so its free. To take the idle control valve off, its easier to take the throttle position sensor off first, T20 on the 2 bolts there. then then idle control valve, again T20.

Throttle position sensor is the one to the left of the pic, and the ICV is the one set back to the right



8) Heres the badboy idle control valve, give it a good clean and the area it came from





Then Re-asemble in the reverse steps

Now take ya car for a good drive, over 8 miles.

If its still doing it, then it could be many other problems, mainly sensors. Maybe worth getting a diognostics done usually £20ish by a local garage or sumtimes for free, if they dont find any fualt.

Map sensor could be a problem, as it thinks there more or less air going in than there actually is, so the idle control valve changes in relation to the MAP sensors reading.

To narro this down, find where your MAP sensor is, now switch your car on, wait for it to idle high if it isnt already, now dissconnect the multi plug NOT the whole sensor from the unit, if the idle comes back down to about 800rpmish then it could be the MAP sensor, It will idle very rough, but around the 800rpm range. It will also over fuel without this sensor, so dont leave it off.

If your idle only happens when the car is cold, and comes back down when it warms up, then it could be the coolant temp sensor, giving a false readin, meaning its sending too much fuel in the engine, and needing more air to bang, so the idle control valve opens, ALL knock on chain reaction effect from one sensor!

Theres many threads on this so worth having a

Can be many other things though!

Hope this guide helps some poeple. Any improvments welcome, so just tell me

maybe add to the FAQ's?


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Old 15th September 2008, 13:10   #2
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Thanks, Will give this a try tonight and hopefully will see results
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Old 15th September 2008, 13:38   #3
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the carb cleaner fucked my control valve
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give it a try tonight too..
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Steve.. you let the cleaner all dry out/ run out before hoking up the wires, maybe its a short circuit?
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Old 15th September 2008, 18:33   #6
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good thread.. like it
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Did this to our 1.1 runabout today and it seems to have worked a treat. I just used WD40 and an old rag... jobs a goodun.

Cheers for the guide - rep heading your way.
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think ill give this a shot on mines aswell.
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Also, You should turn the ignition 2 clicks then off 3 times so the icv can adjust itself.
Otherwise the engine would idle at 4k (atleast mine did )
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Also, You should turn the ignition 2 clicks then off 3 times so the icv can adjust itself.
Otherwise the engine would idle at 4k (atleast mine did )
6 times on ignition without turning it on, then on 6th or 7th switch engine on.

also 8miles/5mins ish driving.
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Strange... started mine up first time and it idled fine.
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Strange... started mine up first time and it idled fine.
that after doing the guide?
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good stuff!

wish it worked on mine lmfao.

Mine still does it, and has been after like 3 months got a new ICV and a new MAP sensor, changed my fuel filter yesterday and its been running REALLY well, maybe that had sumthing to do with it? Wasnt expecting it to!
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Steve.. you let the cleaner all dry out/ run out before hoking up the wires, maybe its a short circuit?
just blatted it on the car lmao not bothered not really an issue for me.
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So where is it on a MK1 VTR? in the throttle body?
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So where is it on a MK1 VTR? in the throttle body?
thats a mk1 westcoast, is it the same as yours? if it looks the same then it will be in the same place, or follow your throttle cable n that will lead u to it
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This is what mine looks like:...doesnt really look the same as from the air pipe its like a metal piece then the throttle body.

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my engine bay looks like the one posted above too. if someone could point out where it is on that pic it would be greatly appreciated
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my engine bay looks like the one posted above too. if someone could point out where it is on that pic it would be greatly appreciated
if sumone can do that then il update the post at the top with a pic of it
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