Advice on turbo setups :)

[Jamesb0303]

Looking at going boost! Any advice on turbo setups etc and prices

Cheers

[mark1311]

budget?

[Tufty]

http://atspeedracing.co.uk/contactus.html

[Jamesb0303]

Dont really have a set budget obviously dont want to spend a ridiculous amount of money but i want a decent set up! Just seeing what my options are

[saxova]

spend £1500 to get a vts roughly 170bhp @ 6-8psi on STD internals..

OR spend £3-4000k to get a vts roughly 230-300bhp @ 15-20psi on low comps..

[Mr_P]

Can set up a low boost set up for under a grand reliably if you know what you're doing.

Depends how much work you're looking to do yourself?

[Jamesb0303]

Well im up for doing work myself as my dads a mechanic so can help out, just obviously cost of parts and mapping etc cheers

[wolf_gsxr]

Your looking at 1500 for a dp engineering basic kit, intercooler, intercooler piping, ecu/ mf2 all extra. Could get cheaper stuff but dp is quality kit. Cituning kit costs similar and isn't as good. Dunno if you need bigger injectors for low boost

[Jamesb0303]

cheers for the advice lads. Sent an email to atspeed hopefully here back from them soon

[Rossp]

Originally Posted by saxova

spend £1500 to get a vts roughly 170bhp @ 6-8psi on STD internals..

OR spend £3-4000k to get a vts roughly 230-300bhp @ 15-20psi on low comps..

Those figures need adjusting... by miles.

To the OP - set your budget. Double it. Go from there. And I'm not joking. If you budget £1,500 allow more like £2,500. The budget will dictate how much power you can get, unless budget isn't a problem, then just pick how you want the car to behave - is there a reason you want to go turbo? Supercharged is far kinder to every component, can be just as powerful to all intents and purposes for what's usable on the road.

Are you chasing pub figures or want a road or track weapon?

[Jamesb0303]

I can see what you mean about budget looking at your car absolute weapon! I would be happy with around 200 bhp! Dont really have a budget just dont want to be spending ridiculous amounts as obviously have to uprate brakes etc! I want a track weapon that i can drive on the road aswell! Any advice on setups or preferences mate?

[Rossp]

200bhp is loads for the road I promise. If the car is stripped (ie light) you'll get it down to about 800kgs, so will have a very respectable power to weight ratio that'll really show up a huge range of "proper" cars Roads that are really really good fun to drive down with 200bhp become almost undrivable at 300bhp. If its 200bhp or thereabouts, you can do that without going low comps but of course, you'll want more power once you've got the bug

As you've noticed, it's the incidentals that add up - brakes are just one part. go towards the 300bhp mark, and gearbox is another issue that'll see you £1000+ lighter.

A year ago, I'd have recommended the DP engineering setup, but after we had a problem with the exhaust manifold that we reported to DP they didn't fix it - I saw a brand new DP manifold just two weeks ago with the same fault. In our case, the fault was bad enough to rip a manifold stud out the head and caused us a lot of problems. The manifold IS good, but really - for 200bhp, a home made manifold is more than enough, even though it looks ugly

There's plenty of ways to keep the costs down from using a GT3 intercooler to using second hand clio injectors, etc etc. There's lots of ways, especially if you do most of the work yourself. There's a HUGE amount to be saved just in the management route too - you can go MF2 with a basic setup, but even if you go Omex or Emerald, you shouldn't be paying ANY more than £450 for mapping from start to finish.

[LeeM]

look at dp engineering stuff, very good

[LeeM]

also what ecu do you have? single plug or 3 plug? if its single pug have a look into the predator ecu

[Rossp]

Originally Posted by LeeM

look at dp engineering stuff, very good

As I said - I wouldn't trust a new manifold still because of the problems we had, and from what I've seen of the brand new one the other week.

This (and a stud thread removed from the head):


caused by this:


I prefer my manifold flanges to be flat

We had to shave the manifold down after finding out the hard way.

Overall though, the manifold is very good - If I was doing it again though, I'd have the manifold headers made individually rather than as one single plate.

[LeeM]

well thats the first bad thing ive heard about DP personally. its still what id go for

[Rossp]

Originally Posted by LeeM

well thats the first bad thing ive heard about DP personally. its still what id go for

Don't get me wrong - I'm not slating it. But they still haven't fixed the warping of the manifolds that is created when they make it, even though they know about it. Still - if it only affects me, and hasn't affected anyone else then I guess mine was just worse (typical luck).

It's still what I'd go for (obviously - it's what I run!) - there's nothing else off the shelf that comes close in quality.

[Jamesb0303]

Cheers for the advice guys! So many options its hard to choose yeah ill be happy at 200 bhp for a while quick for the road and a laugh on the track! Got a guide of rough prices from atspeed what is the minimum from this list i would need to get 200bhp as could obvious invest in more stuff as time went on

hi

here are some rough price guides (some prices have gone up since then - but gives you rough idea) prices on our website are correct.

Turbo conversion stage 1 (250bhp) parts list

*DP engineering tubular manifold-
GT25R turbo -
DP 2.5" stainless downpipe - *

DP TURBO KIT - £1582

ARP rod bolts - £90

9:1 de-comp package £195

mocal oil cooler kit with remote filter take off £250
custom 2.5" exhaust system £300
491cc injectors £342
bosch 4bar FPR £58
walbro 255 fuel pump £80
Ford coilpack and lead set £90

Ford coilpack bracket £15

Magnetti marelli 3 bar map sensor £70
helix 6 paddle clutch kit £370

Release bearing £20
omex 600 engine management + turbo spec wiring loom £765
turbosmart dump valve £125
budget radiator, header tank and intercooler kit £350

silicone hoses, £200

vacuum hoses, £40

boost pipes (straight lengths ali tube) £20

air filter, £60

coolant hoses, £30

boost controller, £175

cooling fan, £80

wiring consumables, £50

turbo water cooling connections, £25

engine oils, £28

oil filter £5

gearbox oils, £20

antifreeze, £7

battery box, £25

uprated engine mounts, £150

nuts/bolts, £20

head bolts, £50

cambelt kit £90



sub total: £5777

vat: £1010.98

TOTAL: £6787.98

cheers for the help guys

[Rossp]

Let me adjust those prices for you a bit - give me a moment and I'll go through it and give you some links. There's plenty of money to be saved.

[vts_lozza]

Originally Posted by Jamesb0303

Cheers for the advice guys! So many options its hard to choose yeah ill be happy at 200 bhp for a while quick for the road and a laugh on the track! Got a guide of rough prices from atspeed what is the minimum from this list i would need to get 200bhp as could obvious invest in more stuff as time went on
hi

here are some rough price guides (some prices have gone up since then - but gives you rough idea) prices on our website are correct.

Turbo conversion stage 1 (250bhp) parts list

*DP engineering tubular manifold-
GT25R turbo -
DP 2.5" stainless downpipe - *

DP TURBO KIT - £1582

ARP rod bolts - £90

9:1 de-comp package £195

mocal oil cooler kit with remote filter take off £250
custom 2.5" exhaust system £300
491cc injectors £342
bosch 4bar FPR £58
walbro 255 fuel pump £80
Ford coilpack and lead set £90

Ford coilpack bracket £15

Magnetti marelli 3 bar map sensor £70
helix 6 paddle clutch kit £370

Release bearing £20
omex 600 engine management + turbo spec wiring loom £765
turbosmart dump valve £125
budget radiator, header tank and intercooler kit £350

silicone hoses, £200

vacuum hoses, £40

boost pipes (straight lengths ali tube) £20

air filter, £60

coolant hoses, £30

boost controller, £175

cooling fan, £80

wiring consumables, £50

turbo water cooling connections, £25

engine oils, £28

oil filter £5

gearbox oils, £20

antifreeze, £7

battery box, £25

uprated engine mounts, £150

nuts/bolts, £20

head bolts, £50

cambelt kit £90



sub total: £5777

vat: £1010.98

TOTAL: £6787.98

cheers for the help guys

wow! thats dear for the price that cost rather buy a glanza v!