Cooling system hose takes attachment - Saxperience

Raymeym · 21st August 2018, 18:07

Hey,

I'm new to this forum and I thought I would give posting my problem here a try.

My Citroen saxo 1.1i has a loose coolant hose just behind the engine block. Now normally this should not be a problem, but the hose still has its clamp attached and took its attachement point with it.

Does anyone have some good advice?

Best regards
R

MartinObviously · 21st August 2018, 18:53

I'm not sure what you mean, is the hose leaking? If not I'd cable tie it secure.

The coolant pipe routes vary from year to year, we need to know this or the VIN number to know exactly what part you need.

Raymeym · 28th August 2018, 19:30

Hey,

Sorry for my late re-reply,

The hose has no problem, it is its attachment point at the back of the engineblock that broke. its the ingoing coolingwater hose. (not on the thermostat side)

The attachment point that broke seemed to be a metal cylinder of a different material than the engine block where it made the hose able to attach.

I hope to find the part I'm looking for.

BR

MartinObviously · 29th August 2018, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymeym

Hey,

Sorry for my late re-reply,

The hose has no problem, it is its attachment point at the back of the engineblock that broke. its the ingoing coolingwater hose. (not on the thermostat side)

The attachment point that broke seemed to be a metal cylinder of a different material than the engine block where it made the hose able to attach.

I hope to find the part I'm looking for.

BR

I have a feeling I know what pipe you're on about, it's like a moulded joint. it's part of the whole hose.

Maybe you could get a large P clip to re-attach it to the block?

Raymeym · 30th August 2018, 09:08

Thanks for the reply,

The only thing left on the block is the hole the part used to be fitted in. So first of all i would need something that would fit in the hole and make it watertight, After that i could attach the hose to that what I fitted into the hole.

If the part is part of the hose, do you think i would get a new one when i order a new hose? It seemed to be attached to the block and the hose was only clamped on, so I was guessing it would sooner be a part of the block than the hose itself.

I will continue to do some arts&crafts at that near impossible place to reach, if unsuccessful, I'm guessing I will let some mechanic do the same in a garage. The car has been one of my best friends for the last five years, would be a waste to let that go to waste because of a (coolingwater) drinking problem.

MartinObviously · 30th August 2018, 17:58

Oh right! So this is the hose that attaches onto the back of the water pump? Like Part no.3

The engine image is generic but it shows the correct position.

The water pump covers are plastic and it's common for them to crack. It's difficult to work down there with the inlet manifold fitted.

MartinObviously · 30th August 2018, 18:02

Thought I'd add this picture for good measure.

Raymeym · 30th August 2018, 23:23

Oh wow, thanks the pictures are really helpfull.

Well, one side of the small hose is attached to a plastic 3 way coolingwater flange. The smaller hose out goes up to the, uhm what I'm guessing is the air inlet manifold, but at the moment I'm not sure anymore. the place where it should have been attached to the metal has no more attachment point for the hose. The plastic side seems to be ok.

It is a really short hose (about 30 cm long with a 90 degree turn) and it has a smaller diameter.

I'm not so sure anymore about all this though and I have to check again tomorrow. Maybe i can take a picture aswell.

BR
R

Raymeym · 31st August 2018, 14:28

So, I have found the piece i was looking for. It is a pain to come by though.

This story concerns part 034582, an end piece of the air intake construction (called Inlaatspruitstuk in Dutch). I think I found a company that can deliver it in Lithuania making the eventual cost 4 times as high due to shipping.

If someone has any advice on how to get the part some other way I'm listening.

BR

Raymeym · 31st August 2018, 14:35

MartinObviously · 31st August 2018, 17:28

it looks like the Citroen Dealer can still supply these if you have one nearby. It is about 7 euros.

That is with the part number you quoted.

I can see what it is now, it lets coolant flow around the intake manifold to keep it warm. Not required on fuel injected vehicles. Not sure why it's even there!

You could safely join the outlet and inlet to bypass the inlet manifold if the parts is no longer available. I didn't realise the car in question was left hand drive. UK spec 1.1i are very different.

If you can take a picture that would be great.

Or I can use the VIN number and see if there's a diagram for the pipework?

Raymeym · 2nd September 2018, 14:43

So, you are saying i could just put a "cork" in the hose so all the coolant will flow in the second direction and this will not pose any problems?
That would be awesome!

The part is not delivered or produced anymore, so the dealer could not get me the part in question.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JL5...ew?usp=sharing

Is the VIN number the chassis number?

Best regards,
Remi

MartinObviously · 2nd September 2018, 15:45

Yes the VIN is the chassis number. I see it is NFP.

Rather than block it, I would find the return end on the manifold. The water must flow in and out. Join the 2 pipes so there is still a loop for the coolant to flow.

stevo67 · 2nd September 2018, 17:20

Could you not get a piece of hose made up?

Raymeym · 3rd September 2018, 12:46

I tried crafting a makeshift connection, but up until now I failed to create a watertight version. The spot where it has to be installed is hard to reach and additionally cannot be seen, everything is touchy feely.

Maybe someone has the coolwater diagram for the what I believe to be a TU1M+ engine? I am really interested where the branch of coolingwater goes after the inlet manifold, if it just goes back to circulation and does not go cooling some important component I would guess i could just plug both ends witout giving a new problem.

The last 8 digits of my chassis number are 56731275.

BR
R

MartinObviously · 3rd September 2018, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymeym

I tried crafting a makeshift connection, but up until now I failed to create a watertight version. The spot where it has to be installed is hard to reach and additionally cannot be seen, everything is touchy feely.

Maybe someone has the coolwater diagram for the what I believe to be a TU1M+ engine? I am really interested where the branch of coolingwater goes after the inlet manifold, if it just goes back to circulation and does not go cooling some important component I would guess i could just plug both ends witout giving a new problem.

The last 8 digits of my chassis number are 56731275.

BR
R

I needed the full number but it's okay because I can't find a diagram on the dealer system. I can see all the other main pipes, but not these small ones.

I would loop the pipes, don't block them. You just need to find which pipe is the outlet on the manifold.

Most of these engines in the UK don't have these pipes, I would guess from that they are not too important.

Raymeym · 3rd September 2018, 21:46

Ok, thanks for the help.

I will try to find the coolwater out from the inlet-manifold. But I am a bit sceptic about my chances of succes. It is hard to work and look down there. If unable to find it, I will start preparing the "put a cork in it" idea.

I will try to remember to post my findings here when they become available.

Raymeym · 4th September 2018, 21:20

Decided I'm going to give it another go with arts and crafts, but this time a bit better prepared. tomorrow I get a plastic cooling hose-link with 10 mm on one side and 8 mm on the other.

It should be a fit this time.

Raymeym · 7th September 2018, 10:48

So far So good.

The 8 mm to 10 mm plastic link fitted like a charm and I used some kit to make it watertight.
After a few miles it is still watertight and my little orange saxo buzzes like a bee once more.

Thanks for the help.

BR
R

MartinObviously · 7th September 2018, 17:28

Glad you have fixed it

How did you attach the pipe to the manifold? Glue?