Wiring and Electrical forum? Edit - Motorsport/Track prep' forum? - Page 2 - Saxperience

willsy · 12th September 2010, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Bickerton

we have alot of members that may give bad bad advise

Agreed, there is a hell of a lot who throw random guesswork into replies on other sections of the forum.

Thats beyond the realms of manageable though i feel however frustrating

The classic: "i have a knocking coming from the front end, what can it be" is always a minefield.

Someone will reply drop links, others driveshaft, when there is really a much larger list of potential causes (top mounts, top mount bearings, track rod ends, wishbone ball joints, wishbone bushes, wheel bearing, etc etc) which unless the person knows what theyre looking for or is willing to get under their car and have a proper look then they're potentially going to end up changing most of the front suspension before finally curing it.

AlexB^p · 12th September 2010, 19:26

thread title - headlights not working

post - went out today they just didnt work

reply - have you checked the bulbs??

op - DOH!!!

9874038 threads later maybe one that could be useful
main ones people group into management into engine the rest goes in the ice section

the relevant people post in them

i wouldnt want to comment on ice (allthough ive dabbled) but i keep out of there
cant say the same for others and i could see some interesting replys getting posted tbh

a lot of it is generally straight forward unless you want something heavily custom and then its a case of not many knowing what to do

thats my 2p worth but again its a lot like some other sections ive seen a lot of bad advice in the suspension ect sections in my time

Bickerton · 12th September 2010, 19:31

Did you find the issue in the end Alex?

Colin · 14th September 2010, 20:07

Abit off the topic of wiring but I do find the amount people who do spew/copy other peoples "advice" annoys me.

As with car setups and engine setups. Have they ACTUALLY experienced it? If not why they giving advice?

There is nothing better than TESTING and trying stuff out yourself. Im a firm believer of that. You dont have to modify a part for the sake of modding it/forum man points.

Alex^p · 14th September 2010, 21:15

I wonder if an exclusive track section would suffice.
Only issue would be who gets access?

Simo^p · 21st September 2010, 14:02

How about a section called "Track / Motorsport Prep' - Serious Discussion Only"

Or.. we have to think of a decent filter to stop idiots from joining in... Could easily setup a usergroup leader thing like regions, but needs to be managed by someone. Could make it so everyone can view, but only accepted 'members' can post? Simplest filter would be premioum only, but I guess many non-premium memebrs would be looking to offer sensible discussion!

I have some questions and am keen to set this up - so how's about it!?!

Mochachino · 21st September 2010, 14:53

I think the usergroup way like the regional sections would be good. Then you can request to join etc to have the ability to post, and the leader of it just has to check their previous threads and replies in the tech section to see if theyre generating good discussion or providing more technical advice.

If you mean having the premium member filter as an alternative to this then I cant see that working as theres plenty of idiots that are premium members too. It would be quite annoying having a more dedicated section then having to read peoples threads with really basic answers or questions.

Have it like the Contributers thing, but so anyone can view imo.

Paul^p · 21st September 2010, 15:50

At the minute i use a different forum for this type of discussion. Theres some great reads out there.

I think it is a very good idea, but there would have to be alot of thought put into how it will run. If its made public for everyone to post then it wouldn't work as we'll get the same old threads. Examples:

"I've just finished my VTS conversion but it wont run, i have a key symbol on my dashboard"
"Which induction kit is better?"
"How much bhp will X, Y and Z give?"

It seems a premium filter or a usergroup simular to regional sections are the two best options so far.

Premium Filter
You could make it premium only as the premium chat does seem abit more 'grown up', with the exceptions of a couple. You wouldn't get any newbies guessing answers, as Willsy was talking about further up this page. You wouldn't get many newbies who don't know about saxos as most premium members have been on the forum for a while before they cough up a tenner for premium. Also it would increase the amount of members upgrading to premium to view this section. Which in turn means more money for the saxp pot (flags, track-sessions at carshows, etc).
The big downside to this there are alot of knowledgable members that aren't premium. Maybe once these people get noticed helping people in the other sections like Engine and Performance, Suspension and Brakes etc then promote these people to be able to join in? Also the forum would have to moderated closely by someone knowledgable - Maybe Ryan or BobC?

Simular Setup the Regional Forums
I don't like the idea of having a tight-knit clique group within a community. Maybe thats just me though. Also I think it could start a few arguements about who can post in there. It might work though, only way to find out is probably to test it?

Couple other ideas
1. Just having a normal section for everyone to post and view in, but having alot of moderators in there specific to that forum. The moderators of this section would be the knowledgable ones. Any advice they see posted that they don't agree with then they would edit or delete it. Obviously you'd have to pick the more mature members, any of them who abuse their power would lose their moderator status.
2. Each thread thats posted has to be authorised by one of the many moderators, if they feel its not appropiate for that section then move it to one of the normal sections such as 'Engine and Performance' etc.

ryanmt · 21st September 2010, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bickerton

I feel doing this may be a minefield

I feel so too, alot of people ask the questions about loom rewiring yet dont really know the basics. Unless i know somebodys fairly electrically minded i usually dont bother replying to threads as chances you will spend 5mins writing things down with pin numbers etc only for it to go totally over their heads and end up with their engine loom in bits.

For those that were saying you want to learn about it, theres some cracking books on amazon on the subject specific to automotive electrics in racing applications. Well worth 10-20 quid for one It will teach you loads.

adamskiTNR · 21st September 2010, 19:42

Yeah, i was discussing this with db_sax a while back. Would be good to have a technical section where some nice in depth threads could be posted. And not just question threads but just helpful threads that people make on particular subjects.
I think the idea of having moderators for the section and approving the thread, then having the right to delete posts so that we know the information will be accurate.
And the ability to ban people from just that section if they repeatedly post rubbish or don't contribute to the discussion of the matter etc.
And please don't just make it premium only. There are a lot of us non premium members out here that would like to discuss these kind of things

Alex^p · 21st September 2010, 21:19

Maybe as Simo said, warnings that the forum is for serious discussion only with any repeat offenders of spamming being blocked from it?

Paul^p · 22nd September 2010, 13:58

That would stop the regular members posting crap in there. But it won't stop 15+ newbies that sign up daily though. Especially the ones that come on for one day then never come back.

Maybe have a system similar to the forsale section but not as many posts, say 50 posts? Just to stop the newbies posting crap in there before reading the rules?

Mochachino · 22nd September 2010, 23:45

Hmmm, well I just made a thread with the hope of some more intelligent discussion, and I guess its turned into a test and made a good example to why not everyone can just post freely.

Ive made it clear I didnt want a 'what sounds better' type repsonse. A few poeple got the idea at least:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=338187

Also, talking to adamskiTNR and it would be good to have a more competitive section similar to Rallye Regs Motorsport & Racing section with like an introduction on how to go competitive (MSA Regs etc) and peoples race reports that they have entered. Some poeple might say but then the chavs will have a go at it, but the chavs or non serious members cant justify £120 on a track day, so I doubt they can see competitive motorsport as inviting.

willsy · 23rd September 2010, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Simular Setup the Regional Forums
I don't like the idea of having a tight-knit clique group within a community. Maybe thats just me though. Also I think it could start a few arguements about who can post in there. It might work though, only way to find out is probably to test it?

I think thats the best bet for regulating who can post or access it.

Certainly in terms of viewing it could be left open with no issues, but limited posting to 'approved' members for the section would be the best way to keep things on topic and relevent.

adamskiTNR · 26th September 2010, 18:06

Exhibit A
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=338695

adamskiTNR · 28th September 2010, 21:06

This still alive and kicking?

blackie_2k5 · 8th October 2010, 23:12

as above, really interested in this, dont agree with the filtering being premium, im not premium and as posted above, there are plenty tards that have premium status, i think the joining and being accepted on merit is the best option, will be the best source of quality info for the whole site, rather then reading the drivvle most have heard from someone else

JamesR^m · 9th October 2010, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Simo

Could be useful for peeps modifying looms or going 'motorsport'?

Maybe a more general motorsport prep, track prep, or something forum would suit, for more 'high end' technical queries??

Discuss...

A track prep section would be good

adamskiTNR · 9th October 2010, 16:28

Any further down the path to this simo?

wolf_gsxr · 9th October 2010, 22:35

i agree with this. maybe a simple test of some sorts. mods ask a few technical questions. the ones that give an appropriate answer are allowed to post. good idea tho..