Clutch issue - Saxperience

Jonathancilia · 22nd April 2019, 15:12

Hi, my saxo is having trouble going into gears, particularly first and reverse lately. I already changed the clutch cable cause i have thinked that it was faulty. It was good for about 3 days but today its grinding reverse again and first is difficult to go in. I think its the clutch now. Car has only 85k kms. I think it has the factory clutch still. The adjustment in the cable is almost all the way back, does this mean its almost worn all the way?

I adjusted the clutch abit higher than the brake pedal for now and its a bit better but still grinds abit and when car is off gears go in smooth so i dont think its the gearbox. What do you guys think?

Jonathancilia · 22nd April 2019, 19:43

Is CIS a good clutch brand?

Jonathancilia · 22nd April 2019, 20:38

Is the saxo 1.5D mk2 clutch, 200mm or 180mm? Are there any other variances between?

MartinObviously · 22nd April 2019, 23:12

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Is the saxo 1.5D mk2 clutch, 200mm or 180mm? Are there any other variances between?

1.5D clutch is 180mm, they're specific to the diesel from what I can remember.

1st and reverse being difficult is normally a gear linkage issue, I'd be checking that system first.

A worn clutch won't normally give you a crunch because the wear gives more clearance.

Jonathancilia · 23rd April 2019, 04:52

Linkages are all new. Is the flywheel bolts spaced evenly on the mk2 diesel?

Jonathancilia · 23rd April 2019, 10:47

I can not fit a 200mm clutch instead of 180mm? Is the flywheel not big enough for the diesel to accept a 200mm clutch. The reason i ask is because i found a good valeo clutch on ebay and he says it fits my car. It has a pressure plate with evenly spaced bolts and a 200mm clutch disk

Jonathancilia · 23rd April 2019, 18:10

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Metro-115D-...edirect=mobile

This is the clutch that im interested in buying but noone on ebay seems to know what fits the diesel

MartinObviously · 24th April 2019, 23:11

Sorry for being slow

the 200mm clutch wont fit, the diesel clutch plate sits recessed into the flywheel.

To fit a 200mm clutch, you would need to fit the flywheel from a petrol engine.

Jonathancilia · 25th April 2019, 17:08

Ok, i bought a sachs 180mm clutch kit, if it will give me trouble i will replace it

MartinObviously · 25th April 2019, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Jonathancilia

Ok, i bought a sachs 180mm clutch kit, if it will give me trouble i will replace it

As long as it is a diesel 180mm kit and not a petrol 180mm kit then it'll be fine.

Jonathancilia · 26th April 2019, 10:13

I bought the one with the holes evenly spaced around the pressure plate

MartinObviously · 27th April 2019, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Jonathancilia

I bought the one with the holes evenly spaced around the pressure plate

the 1.5D clutch is its own clutch, the flywheel is totally different to the petrol.

The locating dowels are all evenly spaced across all years of 1.5d

Jonathancilia · 27th April 2019, 13:51

Then its the correct one i ordered, thanks

when the cable adjustment is all the way back almost, does this mean that the clutch disk is worn almost? I think the previous person slipped the clutch alot

MartinObviously · 27th April 2019, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Jonathancilia

Then its the correct one i ordered, thanks

when the cable adjustment is all the way back almost, does this mean that the clutch disk is worn almost? I think the previous person slipped the clutch alot

Yes I'd say so

could be a number of things though, cable stretch, worn nylon fork bush etc.

It will be good with the new cable and clutch I'm sure

Jonathancilia · 28th April 2019, 00:08

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Originally Posted by MartinObviously

Yes I'd say so

could be a number of things though, cable stretch, worn nylon fork bush etc.

It will be good with the new cable and clutch I'm sure

Haha i thought so
The previous owner was an old man i think he slipped the clutch alot but anyway i will change it when the clutch arrives.

Thanks for the help

Jonathancilia · 5th May 2019, 13:45

This is an odd one, today i went out to investigate the linkages. And what do i find ?

I found the lower small linkage where it attaches to the gearbox ball joint, the welds knthe ball joint broke and its bent. Which i think in turn is making it hard to shift. Is this true?

And tk my surprise i found that the linkages have play in them already, they havent seen even 5000 miles. And they are of a good "sasic" french brand. Any advice on a good set of linkages ?

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MartinObviously · 7th May 2019, 22:07

Yes that being bent won't help at all

The linkages will always have a bit of play in them. just pop some grease on them an re-fit

Jonathancilia · 8th May 2019, 13:10

Thats what i did. Now all gears go in good. But reverse still crunching abit, is this normal with saxos ? If you try to put it in revrrse immediately after pushing the clutch it will grind like hell but if you stay with the clutch pushed in for 4 seconds or 5 it goes in with just a slight crunch

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MartinObviously · 8th May 2019, 21:30

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Thats what i did. Now all gears go in good. But reverse still crunching abit, is this normal with saxos ? If you try to put it in revrrse immediately after pushing the clutch it will grind like hell but if you stay with the clutch pushed in for 4 seconds or 5 it goes in with just a slight crunch

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That's correct yes, there's no synchro on reverse.

Also when selecting reverse, you have to go to the right first, then pull it straight back. If you try to put it into reverse like a curve then it will crunch. There's a diagram in the handbook showing you how to do it

Jonathancilia · 8th May 2019, 21:32

Hehe thats neat! Never seen this handbook before

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