vts v starlet glanza v renault 5 gt turbo! - Page 4 - Saxperience

scot-ish · 27th November 2009, 00:52

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Originally Posted by CHIP

VTS imo.

Starlet - Not very pretty imo. And turbo.. which if/when it dies it usually takes alot more money to fix. And lets face it you dont buy a turbo car to potter around at 30mph.

R5 - My god i would love one (i know it's not pretty as such either, but my unlce had one when i was young and i've wanted one ever since). But they are hard to maintain and they do like blowing up.

Which is why i'd say VTS. Should be more reliable, still nippy cars and they handle well. Better than Starlet's apparently.

what exspensive about replacing the turbo on a starlet?? costs £60 for a second hand one, and when it dies? a starlet looked after will run aslong as a NA car, changing the oil every 3-4k miles, and it will be sweet,

a car made to be a turbo, is just as reliable as NA, its when you turbo an NA, people seem to have problems, cos everyone wants there car turbo'd on the cheap

CHIP · 27th November 2009, 12:56

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Originally Posted by scot-ish

what exspensive about replacing the turbo on a starlet?? costs £60 for a second hand one, and when it dies? a starlet looked after will run aslong as a NA car, changing the oil every 3-4k miles, and it will be sweet,

a car made to be a turbo, is just as reliable as NA, its when you turbo an NA, people seem to have problems, cos everyone wants there car turbo'd on the cheap

What im talking about though is when you start modding them. Which lets face it, 90% of people on here would buy one and modify it. The cars are designed to run turbo's, yea... but they're designed for only a certain amount of power. Go beyond that and you start breaking stuff alot.

JamesR^m · 27th November 2009, 13:05

Either the R5 or the VTS

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1...turbo03fw1.jpg

Would love a replica Renault 5 Maxi Turbo though

AndySAXO^p · 27th November 2009, 13:23

first thing, vts are very very good engine, if you look after them and let them get warm before opening it up like some poeple who own them dont, they will be reliable!!

and standard vs standard, a think it very even, no point talking about modding them as they are very different, one turbo and one not for a start!

but why do poeple ask this on a saxo site

lol

anyway i like the glanza IMO!! one round my area looks very very nice!!

and to get a gt 5 now a days in good nick is very very hard!!

but saxo are reliable if they are looked after!! the TU engine a very good engine!!

for fun vs money it is the vts everyday!!

as you can have so much fun in a vts!!

andy

shady22 · 27th November 2009, 13:36

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Originally Posted by scot-ish

what you had done mate, or what was done before you bought it? as 240 is a strange figure, usually people push 200, then once forged, push it to 270.

i agree tho, there a good wee car, hence why i own one lol

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thats the specs its actualy around 260bhp at the fly credit to the guy hu did it

RossBWFC · 17th January 2010, 05:01

come off it a glanza v turbo would wipe the floor with both each car is a nice one to have and own but thers no comparison renaults would die first with a stupid fault of some sort and saxos hit 40 when starlets hit 80 and i am a vtr owner a glanza would kill mine and has in every department just look at youtube

D--R--E--W · 17th January 2010, 05:19

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Originally Posted by RossBWFC

come off it a glanza v turbo would wipe the floor with both each car is a nice one to have and own but thers no comparison renaults would die first with a stupid fault of some sort and saxos hit 40 when starlets hit 80 and i am a vtr owner a glanza would kill mine and has in every department just look at youtube

HAHA, Listen to the NooB lol

starlets at 80 when the vts at 40 Seriously lmfao

My mates Glanza is 148 bhp and he sits with me till a roundabout then away i go...

mickyfinn · 17th January 2010, 05:27

my mates got a r5 and my vtr just keeps up with it i dont no what a glanza is but id imagine your best bet is a vts mate all the way good fast maybe reliable lol and looks good

adzvtr · 17th January 2010, 11:07

all 3 cars can be made to be seriously quick,
all 3 can handle very well,
r5 now very old, and unreliable
glanza, relaible, bit more expensive for parts, tho probably less time fixing things
vts, reliability depends on u, cheap parts, which are readily available everywhere.

Tommo87 · 17th January 2010, 13:31

Buy a Civic EG6.

kxhaz · 17th January 2010, 13:37

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

i witht the boyo's here like, glanzas are wank, can get silly power but onky in a straight line as youll never get one round a corner..... ever...should be american tbh, r5s i fucking love and will own a mint one very soon, be a VERY longwinded project but itl be a car i keep till i die, not really a fan of the vts (8V FTW!!!) but id go for the vts out of all, simpley dislike glanzas = wank anyway... r5s aint cheap and are too old and abused (not to mention rare as rocking horse shit) to find decent one plus how unreliable they are to begin with mean vts is the only viable option and is a good all rounder with good scope for improvement, ...................... but that r5 on piston heads ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! think i just did a sex wee

yeah what this bloke said

scot-ish · 17th January 2010, 15:32

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Originally Posted by shady22

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Crank Reground(if needed) and Polished
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thats the specs its actualy around 260bhp at the fly credit to the guy hu did it

did you buy this from a guy in dunstable? or is that you? as i know luton is pretty close lol, lewis maccleaster??

AshKeeble · 17th January 2010, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by shady22

Wiseco Racing Low Comp Forged 74.5mm Pistons
Wiesco Racing Piston Rings, Pins and Clips
Scat Forged Conrods with ARP 2000 Connecting Bolts
2mm Metal Headgasket (unsure if Zep or Cruise)
New Complete Cambelt/Tensioner/Idler Kit
New Head Bolts
New Toyota Full Engine Gasket Set
New Toyota Oil Seals
New Water Pump
New Toyota Oil Pump
New Oil Pressure Switch
New Thermostat
New Toyota Valve Stem Oil Seals
New Uprated ACL Bearings ( Mains, Bigends and Thrusts)
Crank Reground(if needed) and Polished
Block Professionally Rebored and Crosshatch Honed
Cylinder Head Professionally Rebuilt
Block chemically Cleaned and Painted
Rocker Cover Chemically Cleaned and Painted
Sard 330cc Injectors
NGK Iridium HR8 Plugs
TRD Red Leads
Blitz Nur Spec R

WEPR TD04 Evolution Mani
WEPR TD04 Decat
TD04 Turbo
Tial 38MM Wastegate
Screamer Pipe
WEPR FMIC
HKS Replica Dump Valve

thats the specs its actualy around 260bhp at the fly credit to the guy hu did it

If needed? Did it or not?

Ashleyp · 17th January 2010, 16:49

hi, im a saxo owner, the saxo is the best car ever and no other car can ever be better.

bai

enzo · 25th January 2010, 05:39

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Originally Posted by adzvtr

all 3 cars can be made to be seriously quick,
all 3 can handle very well,
r5 now very old, and unreliable
glanza, relaible, bit more expensive for parts, tho probably less time fixing things
vts, reliability depends on u, cheap parts, which are readily available everywhere.

you summed it up the best,

theres no contest, really the glanza is the best propersition,

if it was not for the saxo reliablility issues it wold probably come out on top as the best car out of thebag

Matts-VTR · 25th January 2010, 08:38

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Originally Posted by D--R--E--W

HAHA, Listen to the NooB lol

starlets at 80 when the vts at 40 Seriously lmfao

My mates Glanza is 148 bhp and he sits with me till a roundabout then away i go...

Would pay to see you leave a glanza after reading your progress thread.

Seriously quick cars! with very little fettling can see over 170bhp which is plenty fast. And with a decent enough set of springs / coilovers they can handle just aswell or better than a VTS with the same setup?

VTS is ONLY 120bhp standard which in reality is piss poor. sorry to say it chaps but the glanza is 130bhp standard and weights less, even if the saxo does handle better standard you will ave to brake very late into a corner to catch up with a glanza and dream on about going past him.

Unless your colin mcrae and the person driving the glanza is going backwards.

Its a shame citroen / peugeot dont put more power or thought into theyre cars as standard, renault do and they have a massive sport line up and each one is better than any equivalent from citroen / peugeot hence why pug have given up the GTi dream and left it to people that know what theyre doing like renault and toyota.

flame me!

Liam · 25th January 2010, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts-VTR

Would pay to see you leave a glanza after reading your progress thread.

Seriously quick cars! with very little fettling can see over 170bhp which is plenty fast. And with a decent enough set of springs / coilovers they can handle just aswell or better than a VTS with the same setup?

VTS is ONLY 120bhp standard which in reality is piss poor. sorry to say it chaps but the glanza is 130bhp standard and weights less, even if the saxo does handle better standard you will ave to brake very late into a corner to catch up with a glanza and dream on about going past him.

Unless your colin mcrae and the person driving the glanza is going backwards.

Its a shame citroen / peugeot dont put more power or thought into theyre cars as standard, renault do and they have a massive sport line up and each one is better than any equivalent from citroen / peugeot hence why pug have given up the GTi dream and left it to people that know what theyre doing like renault and toyota.

flame me!

120BHP out of a standard 1.6 16v engine isn't that bad, especially taking in to consideration when the engine was developed. Any engine which is the same size has an array of different bits and bobs to add more power. Mainly variable valve timing. If you really think about it, its not that bad.

Matts-VTR · 25th January 2010, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Liam

120BHP out of a standard 1.6 16v engine isn't that bad, especially taking in to consideration when the engine was developed. Any engine which is the same size has an array of different bits and bobs to add more power. Mainly variable valve timing. If you really think about it, its not that bad.

Agreed its not bad, but its still not that great is it? the new twingo uses a 1.6 16v lump and develops 133ps, now THATS not bad for a 1.6L!

Sorry but citroens target market is the people that want second best!

Yes you can do anything to anything (as was said earlier in thread if you got the money you got the power) but isnt it better to have a good base to start with? Like most people wont have a 1.1 and spend loads modding it, they get a VTS and do that up, they want as much as possible to start with!

Ford is another car manufactuer one that pisses me right off!

"oooh look at our brand new Fiesta ST its a 2 litre! and got a whole 150BHP!!!!!"

my reply is simply...

"renault had that in 1993 with the williams, they're 2 ltr sport hatches are currently pushing 200bhp standard"

Liam · 25th January 2010, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts-VTR

Agreed its not bad, but its still not that great is it? the new twingo uses a 1.6 16v lump and develops 133ps, now THATS not bad for a 1.6L!

Sorry but citroens target market is the people that want second best!

Yes you can do anything to anything (as was said earlier in thread if you got the money you got the power) but isnt it better to have a good base to start with? Like most people wont have a 1.1 and spend loads modding it, they get a VTS and do that up, they want as much as possible to start with!

Ford is another car manufactuer one that pisses me right off!

"oooh look at our brand new Fiesta ST its a 2 litre! and got a whole 150BHP!!!!!"

my reply is simply...

"renault had that in 1993 with the williams, they're 2 ltr sport hatches are currently pushing 200bhp standard"

But the Twingo has a VVT engine. VVT makes quite a bit of difference. Look at their 1.6 16v non VVT engine in the Clio, its got 110BHP. I can't think of a standard engine, with no fancy toys, that has 120BHP or more. I'm not looking for an argument BTW. I just think the engine deserves a bit more credit.

scot-ish · 25th January 2010, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Liam

120BHP out of a standard 1.6 16v engine isn't that bad, especially taking in to consideration when the engine was developed. Any engine which is the same size has an array of different bits and bobs to add more power. Mainly variable valve timing. If you really think about it, its not that bad.

when the engine was built, the starlet 1.3 was built 1990's, early, producing 130 standard, and with low boost, turned up to a bar, with £600 spent, get 180 bhp. spend £600 on a vts and you get what, a set of cams, and fitted, theres your budget.