Turbo or Throttle Bodies, Pro's and Con's? Opinions.. - Page 4 - Saxperience

Ross^p · 31st January 2011, 09:29

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

you would be able to run a stroker kit as well for £10k.

Can you still supply these? I spoke to DP on Friday and they said they no longer make them (and havne't made them for 6 months+).

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Originally Posted by Dave_P

£9-10k for 200bhp, aye right! You'd have several thousand £ left over.
Come on Ross, I thought you'd know better.

I do know better

I'm taking it to the extreme: £10k that engine cost...
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...=1#post1789355

LeeM · 31st January 2011, 09:37

Twincharger gets my vote.

wolf_gsxr · 31st January 2011, 12:01

sandy inlet 500
gsxr bodies 150
pred 500
assuming you already have full system and induction how does that add up to 10k?

Ross^p · 31st January 2011, 12:37

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Originally Posted by wolf_gsxr

sandy inlet 500
gsxr bodies 150
pred 500
assuming you already have full system and induction how does that add up to 10k?

No idea. I didn't spend it

Ask him

For starters, there's an omex 600, plus race loom, plus mapping. There's £1,500 not £500. Forged internals - add another £1,000. Solid lifters - add £1500 for those...

KamRacing · 31st January 2011, 12:48

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Originally Posted by RossDagley

Can you still supply these? I spoke to DP on Friday and they said they no longer make them (and havne't made them for 6 months+).

I do know better

I'm taking it to the extreme: £10k that engine cost...
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...=1#post1789355

Basically DP seem to be reluctant to make the cranks anymore. We can get them from Cat Cams now so we are waiting on confirmation of price.

Kev

AndySAXO^p · 31st January 2011, 14:11

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Originally Posted by wolf_gsxr

sandy inlet 500
gsxr bodies 150
pred 500
assuming you already have full system and induction how does that add up to 10k?

That just a basically price once you start changing the internals it get expensives, to use soild lifter you will be spending alot foe head work, also depends on other factors like what valve he using as you can get very expensive ones.

Not looked at the link but I am guess it will the best of everything, I know longmans engine used to be very expensive. Not sure on the price but close to 10k

AndySAXO^p · 31st January 2011, 14:15

P.s I know that car, it over 10k due to changing cams since it was biult, but very impressive, I know of one other Saxo that has been biult and dyno at NMS which got 202 bhp on there dyno.

Both using ph5 cams.

Dave_P · 31st January 2011, 14:20

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Originally Posted by RossDagley

Solid lifters - add £1500 for those...

WTF! £300-£400 for solids.

CarlosVT · 31st January 2011, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Dave_P

Sandy's inlet kit £500
Air filter £40+
GSX R1000 K1-3 TB's £80-£150 (ebay)
708 cat cams £200-£300 (used or new)
VEMS/KMS P&P management £400-£800+ (used or new)
Mapping £200+
Manifold & system fitted already? (Raceland/supersprint 4-2-1 & saxsport)

Quaife ATB equipped gearbox: £380-£700 (used or newly fitted in refurbed box)

Prob be a few other bits n bobs required.

Fitting? Are you handy with spanners? If not i'm sure someone locally off here would do it for you.

Thank you for that mate, really appreciate it

I'm not the best with spanners so I'll probably need a hand to do it!

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Originally Posted by RossDagley

£9-10k on a TB setup will get you somewhere around 200bhp, give or take. Spend the same on a boosted setup and you'll clear 350bhp. Sure there are some differences in the delivery, but once you've been punched in the face by 30psi, you'll never look back

Like I said, don't plan in going too crazy mate as it will only be a daily driver which I can have a bit of fun with

thanks for the input though!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

WTF! £300-£400 for solids.

That's what I was thinking?

KamRacing · 31st January 2011, 18:02

chasing bhp with revs ultimately gets expensive as you have to upgrade the head to cope as well as the bottom end. You need to change the capacity of the engine to be over 200bhp and comfortable on the road. You either get a stroker kit or change the volumetric efficiency using forced induction, as you can use milder cams to get similar power results.

sexy_gt · 31st January 2011, 18:15

just spent

£275 on cat 708
£150 pico 330cc inj
£10 3.5 fpr
£470 pred
£900 atp bodies
£140 itg filter

total £1945. i have saved on labour by fitting the cams and will be fitting the rest of it myself later this week. mapping saturday

all bought brand new est 160bhp give or take (dyno depending). but not that fussed on figures as long as it goes plenty

quite affordable to do bodies. wouldnt want to pay several thousands more on an extra 40hp on top just to crack the magic 200hpeveryone bangs on about. i expect a 160brake saxo with good spec to be untouchable on an average trackday.

must admit im supprised more people havnt brought S/C into the thread. not as much control over a turbo mid corner as N/A or S/C.

i will S/C my car if i feel the bodie route isnt enough.

CarlosVT · 31st January 2011, 18:17

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Originally Posted by sexy_gt

just spent

£275 on cat 708
£150 pico 330cc inj
£10 3.5 fpr
£470 pred
£900 atp bodies
£140 itg filter

total £1945. i have saved on labour by fitting the cams and will be fitting the rest of it myself later this week. mapping saturday

all bought brand new est 160bhp give or take (dyno depending). but not that fussed on figures as long as it goes plenty

quite affordable to do bodies. wouldnt want to pay several thousands more on an extra 40hp on top just to crack the magic 200hpeveryone bangs on about. i expect a 160brake saxo with good spec to be untouchable on an average trackday.

must admit im supprised more people havnt brought S/C into the thread. not as much control over a turbo mid corner as N/A or S/C.

i will S/C my car if i feel the bodie route isnt enough.

Thanks for the input mate! Exactly the same sort of set up I'm looking for and also the sort of power I'm looking for! Not too bothered about bhp as long as the car goes well!

Ross^p · 31st January 2011, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

WTF! £300-£400 for solids.

Plus a day to dial them in correctly at £45-60 per hour (+ vat).

Tufty · 31st January 2011, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by RossDagley

Plus a day to dial them in correctly at £45-60 per hour (+ vat).

This is what put me off PH5 cams! shims and solid lifters! all expensive, and need replacing after a few k or something...

AndySAXO^p · 31st January 2011, 19:47

wouldnt be all day, i got a quote for some solid followers fitted and shim correctly to ph5 cams and wanst 1500 quid.

Ross^p · 31st January 2011, 20:31

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

wouldnt be all day, i got a quote for some solid followers fitted and shim correctly to ph5 cams and wanst 1500 quid.

Yeah I had the figure wrong. At Speed quoted £1000 (ish - so read more in all likelihood) to supply and fit solid lifters. Not £1500. However, still a lot of money.

It all adds up. Same with boosted builds. Everyone seems to harp on about being able to do it on the cheap. Well, not a reliable one you cant. Even jubilee clips will set you back about £75 for the decent ones... It all adds up to a large bill

AndySAXO^p · 31st January 2011, 21:31

yer it does cost alot... but it depends on who you know

Ross^p · 31st January 2011, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndySAXO

yer it does cost alot... but it depends on who you know

Solid lifters aren't needed anyway

Can make 300bhp without em. Which is more than enough for a road going 106 or saxo

AndySAXO^p · 31st January 2011, 22:19

i ent talking about boost that cheating

haha

Ryan^p · 31st January 2011, 22:48

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Originally Posted by wolf_gsxr

sandy inlet 500
gsxr bodies 150
pred 500
assuming you already have full system and induction how does that add up to 10k?

not a 200bhp engine though is it NA.

For example the bottom end/head on my engine cost built by QEP circa 5k. You then have the bodies/ecu/mapping and its easy to see why costs spiral. Its easy to spend 1k on bodies, another 1k-1500 on an ecu + mapping (depending on if its being hard wired) So that gives you 7.5k there before even looking at the exhaust and manifold.

Espec if you dont do it on the cheap with old bike bodies.