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1st February 2011, 15:34
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Originally Posted by axsaxoman
once you start talking about 200bhp on n/a it is not usable road car and will cost more than a boosted car to give you same or more bhp and you can drive it to work every day
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Personally i didnt find any problems using it as a daily and that was whilst living in london. Other than the fact someone had ripped the heater out
My clio was off the road so had to use it and didnt really think cripes i need the clio back asap
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1st February 2011, 15:40
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Car(s): 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
You can do tb's on the cheap...
Predator ecu around £500
GSXR1000 Bodies
Sandy Inlet and you are good to go no?
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likewise for a diy turbo kit and still see more power...
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1st February 2011, 16:22
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see our latest offer.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=359877,
add a pred to that and it would be a perfect everyday car
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1st February 2011, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Dave_P
I mentioned that on page 2, keep up!
Why does everyone keep going on about 200bhp n/a when carlosvt has stated several times he doesn't want that...
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quite so --but i notice you didn,t tell him the cheapest place to buy one --LOL,
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1st February 2011, 16:26
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Great price! What about without cams?
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1st February 2011, 17:57
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Hardcorehoe boy... you said 'you don't buy a saxo/106 to go fast in a straight line.'
That's not advice now is it.
'170mph in a standard supra' Going fast in a straight line isn't always about Top speed.
You might get 170mph in one.... but it would take bloody ages to get there. And the boosted pug/sax would be long gone in the distance x
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1st February 2011, 18:32
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Originally Posted by evensteven
Hardcorehoe boy... you said 'you don't buy a saxo/106 to go fast in a straight line.'
You might get 170mph in one.... but it would take bloody ages to get there. And the boosted pug/sax would be long gone in the distance x
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i'd rather be driving a twin turbo manual supra than a boosted french tin can...
keep in mind that power to weight isn't a massive thing when already travelling at speed, outright power and torque is. combined with drag.
and comparing a saxo or 106 to twin turbo supra, come on. there isn't anything to compare.
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1st February 2011, 18:36
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Originally Posted by maddison_vts
and comparing a saxo or 106 to twin turbo supra, come on. there isn't anything to compare.
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Your right. A decent spec 106 turbo will shit on a supra on the road.
Last edited by Ross; 1st February 2011 at 18:38.
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1st February 2011, 18:39
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Originally Posted by RossDagley
Your right. A decent spec 106 turbo will shit on a supra on the road.
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spend half what was spent on the 106 on the supra, then see what happens.
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1st February 2011, 18:46
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Originally Posted by maddison_vts
spend half what was spent on the 106 on the supra, then see what happens.
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Don't know how you'd get a supra up to circa 600bhp on half the money a well specc'd 106 costs myself. Twin turbo supra is 330bhp standard. Where you gonna get the other 300bhp from for £3k? And you'd NEED 600+bhp... You can thank the lardy Toyota for that. 1550kgs vs the 106 at 800kgs.
I'd far rather be in the 106 on the road, down the twisties or on the dual carrageway. Fair enough, on the motorway at 3am it's game over for the 106 unless the 106 is geared right.
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1st February 2011, 18:59
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Originally Posted by RossDagley
Don't know how you'd get a supra up to circa 600bhp on half the money a well specc'd 106 costs myself. Twin turbo supra is 330bhp standard. Where you gonna get the other 300bhp from for £3k? And you'd NEED 600+bhp... You can thank the lardy Toyota for that. 1550kgs vs the 106 at 800kgs.
I'd far rather be in the 106 on the road, down the twisties or on the dual carrageway. Fair enough, on the motorway at 3am it's game over for the 106 unless the 106 is geared right.
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you're tellling me you need a 600bhp+ supra to beat a 106/saxo turbo? get a grip. If that was the case, drag strips and tracks would be dominated by saxo's and 106's. the reality is, they aren't! power to weight is great but when something has outright power there isn't a contest. to second to that, the supra can put the power down properly. a standard 106 gti weighs closer to 950kg too. and a supra weighs in at 1450kg.
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1st February 2011, 19:05
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Originally Posted by maddison_vts
you're tellling me you need a 600bhp+ supra to beat a 106/saxo turbo? get a grip. If that was the case, drag strips and tracks would be dominated by saxo's and 106's. the reality is, they aren't! power to weight is great but when something has outright power there isn't a contest. to second to that, the supra can put the power down properly. a standard 106 gti weighs closer to 950kg too. and a supra weighs in at 1450kg.
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I'll rephrase with clarity for you.
My 106 will shit on a (for example) 400bhp supra. And a standard 106 may be 950kgs, but a "well spec'd" one would be closer to 800. The supra weighs 1550 according to wikipedia
I've not come up against anything with more than 500bhp yet, so time will tell.
Depends on the time and the place. Wet drag launch, the supra takes it - no question. Top speed, the supra takes it, no problem. 50-120mph for example in the dry? Game over for the 400odd bhp supra.
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1st February 2011, 19:17
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I don't really know how fast a 400bhp or 600bhp supra is but I have seen a relatively basic saxo turbo using a standard bottom end and head apart from it had two head gaskets fitted to lower the compression. It had a standard gearbox as well. Fuelling was from a 5th injector controlled by an MF2 and SigCon3. It did sub 13 second quarter miles. Think it's quickest run was 12.8 second.
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1st February 2011, 19:21
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I'd rather buy a 106 yes but lets be honest, go on another forum and people will laugh at you for comparing a saxo to a supra!
Saxo/106 is a great rally/hillclimb/track car. They aren't straightline monsters and they aren't meant to be. Hell you could make an MG Metro faster than a supra but for the same money??
I love saxo/106's but i think you'll find in Japan they are modding supras to ridiculous levels squeezing more power than you ever could ever dream of in a saxo.
Anyways back on topic. Make the saxo a weapon that you will enjoy. Like i said mine is probably running just over standard power..and i've destroyed all sorts in it! Just have fun and don't spend too much money. Simple effective mods are where its at if you ask me.
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1st February 2011, 19:24
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I've been in a 480bhp skyline, and a 520bhp porsche. They're probably the most powerful cars I've ever been in so far. No question at all they were DAMN quick. But so's a 350bhp+ 106. As as I harp on about power to weight, only got to look at dave_p on the RR - runs a non-boosted NA 1.6 106 rallye and is getting 12.7 sec quarters. Just from low weight
For example - 450bhp twin turbo supra - http://www.dragtimes.com/Toyota-Supr...lip-16781.html - 1/4 in 12.8. That'd suck to get pipped on the 1/4 mile by a S1 106 rallye eh?
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1st February 2011, 19:25
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Who wants to be straight line hero anyway? Seriously boring 1/4 mile rubbish, I enjoy watch a car handle well watch it all work as one, instead of a car just going in a straight line!!
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1st February 2011, 19:26
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
I love saxo/106's but i think you'll find in Japan they are modding supras to ridiculous levels squeezing more power than you ever could ever dream of in a saxo.
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One thing that you seem to have missed here is that its in japan. Geographically its alot more economical for them to owning Jap cars than european ones.
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1st February 2011, 19:28
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Originally Posted by AndySAXO
Who wants to be straight line hero anyway? Seriously boring 1/4 mile rubbish, I enjoy watch a car handle well watch it all work as one, instead of a car just going in a straight line!!
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Each to their own. I've built a track car, but track is not what I will be doing the most of this year. Just because you don't like the 1/4 mile doesn't mean other people don't eh?
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1st February 2011, 19:30
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Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy
They aren't straightline monsters and they aren't meant to be. Hell you could make an MG Metro faster than a supra but for the same money??
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You may get a shock. This is the results from a Straightliners event.
Grant Parker Audi Quatro 2.2Ltr 11.28
Ian Walley Cortina Mk II 11.60
Richard White EVO 6 2 Ltr 11.99
Mark Beales Mitsubishi GTO 3 Ltr 12.30
Scott Parker Impreza 2 Ltr 12.36
Monkey Mark Toyota Supra 3 Ltr 12.53
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Micky Owens Impreza WRX 2 Ltr 13.06
Steve Carr Impreza 2 Ltr Turbo 13.14
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Yuk Shek Impreza 2 Ltr 13.61
Paul Hopwood Impreza 2 Ltr 13.64
Peter Varey Impreza WRX 2 Ltr 13.67
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Harvey Smith Impreza WRX 2 Ltr 13.98
Marc Edison Impreza Turbo 2 Ltr 13.99
Richard Thorpe Impreza 2 Ltr 13.99
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Aaron Chan Impreza WRX 2 Ltr 14.24
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1st February 2011, 19:38
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You'll notice the saxo is a fluke in that list...the are mainly all subaru's and there's also another oddball-the cortina. I love saxo's i really do but they aren't quite a GT3 RS so just enjoy them for what they are!
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