Important! : Cammed VTS 122BHP?!?!? Power Lossssss!!! BIG UPDATE - Page 2 - Saxperience

AndySAXO^p · 6th August 2011, 18:54

yer thanks, so should know his ATF then on full throttle worth checking that now, see if that ok, then go from there.

Mieran · 6th August 2011, 19:16

Could be a standard engine mate

I know a member on here who had their car remapped at chip wizards, when it came to selling, he took everything off (ecu, cams etc) but in the advert it said 157bhp and gave the new owner the dyno print out, I hate cocks like that

JamesR^m · 6th August 2011, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Mieran

Could be a standard engine mate

I know a member on here who had their car remapped at chip wizards, when it came to selling, he took everything off (ecu, cams etc) but in the advert it said 157bhp and gave the new owner the dyno print out, I hate cocks like that

That's disgusting tbh

AndySAXO^p · 6th August 2011, 19:24

yer, that is...... really wrong, i would of just gone straight back!!

yer it could be, but that why i asked to see where peak power was, as cammed engine will normal peak abit higher than a standard one, if it peaking at around 6.6k then maybe it got standard cams

blackie_2k5 · 6th August 2011, 19:29

lots of ppl do it mieran, and it would explain alot, as when the old cams went back in they wouldnt be put to standard timing marks, but would have been adjusted to get the best out of the uprated cams, which would potentially reduce the power the stock cams produce#1

blackie_2k5 · 6th August 2011, 19:30

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

yer, that is...... really wrong, i would of just gone straight back!!

yer it could be, but that why i asked to see where peak power was, as cammed engine will normal peak abit higher than a standard one, if it peaking at around 6.6k then maybe it got standard cams

going off the graph it didnt "look" cammed from the curve, iirc its a very smooth straightish line...

AndySAXO^p · 6th August 2011, 19:42

yer can be stright if the cams are set like that, it down to the timing.

where does it peak at? that could help abit more.

but really could be any thing, it will not take long to check the cams to see if they are standard.

blackie_2k5 · 6th August 2011, 19:45

ive not got the graph, he'll comment when he sees tommorow

atspeedracing · 6th August 2011, 20:06

99... about what id see for a stock engine.

try another rolling road for second opinion?

708s on otherwise stock engine (stock intake) show 120-125@ wheels.

with throttle bodies 130ish.. most i ever saw was 140@ wheels using 708s.

- colin

garyapt · 6th August 2011, 20:23

just done 138@wheels with ours 167@fly

gmc cams, at bodies,standalone and v power fuel

KamRacing · 6th August 2011, 20:45

Is it faster than it was. If not then theres a problem. Rolling roads are just a tool and the operators are not always accurate or have it properly calibrated

blackie_2k5 · 6th August 2011, 21:00

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

Is it faster than it was. If not then theres a problem. Rolling roads are just a tool and the operators are not always accurate or have it properly calibrated

the operator knows what hes doing and theyre very accurate rollers in this instance, for example, a cammed gti was on at motorscope last week(which are known for reading a little over) it made 153bhp, today it made 148bhp, a corsa turbo was mapped and made 301bhp very recentley, today it made 297bhp iirc? all other cars made what they should have or nearabouts... mine made good figures so a good mix tbh...frankies was the only one that stood out as not right for the engine/spec

as for faster hes just bought it like that mate, coming from owning a vtr with breathing mods, that went on today aswell and made 110ish iirc? so he cant compare as he bought it how it is...

A_Whit · 7th August 2011, 10:18

This car previously belong to my brother, all that needs to be done is for the rocker cover to be taken off and check the cams, there a box in my house with the old cams in that I can take a photo of any upload tonight. As said above the RR is just a tool, it is deffinately been cammed as would a normal sax be able to keep up with an S3?

I would give it a service franky cos on topgear they seviced a car a increase the bhp by quite a bit

AndySAXO^p · 7th August 2011, 10:59

Yer that was a different car with more power out the box.

Serivce might help but will not get 30 bhp.

Unless the air filter totally block, but if that was the case the ATF would be wrong.

So what they air to fuel ratio? That will show that.

When matey get back online and so we can find out what the fuelling like then we can see if that right.

And yer just get the rockers off and check that too.

And where the peak power?

AndySAXO^p · 7th August 2011, 11:00

But please don't go off top gear do as I think they did other things during 'the service'

moxy89 · 7th August 2011, 11:14

as above a service will not give a saxo a 1/4 of its power back.. Your be lucky to get 10bhp from a service, personally i think your gain 3-5bhp from a decent service.

CitroenSport · 7th August 2011, 12:55

Seriously thanks alot for all your comments and help lads i really appriciate it as im obviously worried about this.... going to check if its cammed now... and just use some instant gasket to seal it back up? will let you know asap will be half an hour.... cheers again lads

lee_saxo · 7th August 2011, 13:13

so what's the results then

AndySAXO^p · 7th August 2011, 13:27

What the AFR? On the graph? Get the graphs up.

sexy_gt · 7th August 2011, 13:33

what if its had a cambelt change and cams havnt been marked at their optimum?

mine in at the tuners at the mo i have 708,at and pred ecu, my other standard (bar sportcat) vts is as fast 50-110 tested recently.

hope mines cam timing, may be lifters or valves worn...