What would need to be done to get a VTR to do 60 in 2nd???

[Billog_VTR]

if your theory on this 60 in 2nd being impossible in a vtr because its actually 2/3 mph slower than whats been read then seen as though mine will do 63 in 2nd does this mean that mine actually does do 60??

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which would make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

[Jonny_H]

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

can u tell me wot a quikshift is how much it is where can u get one etc lol?

not too sure here, but i think he means changing gears quick. ??
correct me if i'm wrong

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

if your theory on this 60 in 2nd being impossible in a vtr because its actually 2/3 mph slower than whats been read then seen as though mine will do 63 in 2nd does this mean that mine actually does do 60??

NO!!!!!!!!!!! means you're speedo is further out than everyone elses unless of course citroen fitted your car with a one-off box which has a longer 2nd than all other vtr's

[Barry123]

on page three already...

[Sean]

you should read the classic 60 in 2nd thread Ad......

[vtrchris64]

Originally Posted by ricksimmonds

Dont think he means a filter, filters just filter air. He means a system which actively forces air into the engine

get an ebay electric supercharger mate is the tits

[Billog_VTR]

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which woul make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

[Barry123]

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

you should read the classic 60 in 2nd thread Ad......

just did

[williamsvts]

cant be arsed to read the whole thread but a raised RPM limit would get 60 in 2nd.

end of story.

[williamsvts]

A simple re-map would also change the amount of air going into the engine.

a remap wouldn't change the amount of air into the engine.
meachanical features limit the amount of air an engine takes in. the map just matches this air mass with the correct amount of fuel and a spark at the correct time.

wilder cams would get more air in but the only way to get 60mph in 2nd is to raise the RPM limit.

[Billog_VTR]

Originally Posted by williamsvts

cant be arsed to read the whole thread but a raised RPM limit would get 60 in 2nd.

end of story.

Thus meaning its got nothing to do with gearbox allowing to or not!!

[Jonny_H]

how fast does a stnd vtr go in 2nd then? cant b that far off 60 to be fair

[Barry123]

Originally Posted by seanvtr81

again, more max power bollocks. engine sucks in as much air as it needs. ENCLOSED filter is the term you're looking for, and these work in exactly the same way as the standard air box, which makes paying over 150 for a bmc look rather silly now doesnt it.....
only way to force more air into the engine is to compress it, by using a supercharger or a turbo (neither of which would make you hit 60 in 2nd on a standard limiter, just to make the point for the 134321423th time)

sean you're spot on with most things but i think you're forgetting that the filter acts as a restrictor.

Say a 1.6 litre engine will not swallow 1.6 litres of air per 2 cycles... it'll swallow just less than that because of the restriction. Therefore the aim from these manufacturers is to reduce restriction whilst cleaning the air thoroughly - thus the engine is able to get a little more air in thus more fuel more power yada yada.

But then again some silly boys go and get an open induction...

[williamsvts]

yes, becasue the gearbox does certain speeds in a said gear at x rpm, but on a vtr box the only way to get 60mph with a vtr rpm limit is to raise it.

[ricksimmonds]

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

nice one mate, well said!!!

[ricksimmonds]

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

Thus meaning its got nothing to do with gearbox allowing to or not!!

lol billog is kickin ass

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

i think you'll find theres more ways than that to get more air into the engine. And why would so many people notice a difference in bmc filters if they were the same as a standard airbox??? utter rubish that part mate. Also polishing and porting a throttle body means more air into the engine yet again!! A simple re-map would also change the amount of air being USED (EDIT!) by the engine.

you're taking bollocks. you cant force air in with out turbo/supercharger, hence the name forced induction. porting throttle body doesnt physically get more air in, just smooths the flow of the air going in (what you're saying assumes that the standard engine is being restricted by lack of airflow?!? nonsense). you'll also find that a standard airbox with a panel filter and samco to replace the air feed from grill will work just as well as a BMC too. i'd love to hear your explanation of how a remap gets more air into the engine too, remap is to adjust the fuelling and ignition after changing cam lift and duration. quit reading max power. end of.

[Sean]

Ad- spot on mate, which is why you put a panel filter in the standard air box plus replace air feed with piece of samco. voila, enclosed filter for 40quid.

[williamsvts]

aren't you forgetting that carbon doesn't let as much heat in as the standard plastic airboxs??