6 x 9's - Saxperience

WorthingSaxoVTR · 3rd March 2006, 17:42

i hope the mods dont mind me posting this, but just to emphasie why 6 x9's are bad

Let's start with the contenious issue of 6x9's mounted in the parcel shelf.

If a system has good front speakers, normally 5 inch or greater, and a sub woofer then the whole range of music can be played effectivly.

If 6x9's are then added in the parcel shelf, and are playing full range the following issues occur..
Bass cancellation, due to the subs and 6x9's playing the same frequencies. It also muddles the sound quite badly. Due to the subs and 6x9's effectively sharing the same enclosure. In some severe cases they can even get destroyed due to the subs pushing too much air around them.

Also in this type of setup the sound is dragged backwards, this is down to personal preference.

If the 6x9's are setup not to play full range they can be useful. If they are set up in a bandpass configuration so they only play midbass. Roughly 300Hz-80Hz then they can add the extra kick which smaller components can't. This is useful for car where getting big speakers up front is a problem. However the sound is still dragged backwards quite badly.

In many situations where midbass can be played from the front it is better in terms of SQ to remove the rear speakers. This way the sub bass cannot be pinpointed so all the sound appears to be coming from the front.

thanks to "www.talkaudio.co.uk" for this info

6x9s on a parcel shelf with a sub in the boot will not work!

Simple demo.

1. Unplug you wires from your 6x9s
2. Set stereo at the normal listening volume as you would have it while driving.
3. Sit on the back seat of the car and look at the cones on the 6x9s. See how there moving! With out wires its a miricle aint it? no its not its the air presure that the subs moving in the boot thats making them move. If there where wired up they would be fighting this presure and you would not be getting the maximum you can from your sub.

Also is audio recorded in four channels errmmm NO its recored in two left and right (exept for the very rare 5.1 audio dvds that are availble) so you only need 2 channels which should be at the front of the car as if you were at a concert would you face the front or the back? The human ear is designed to hear sound at its optimum from the front. The reason you can get away with the sub being out of the way in the boot is that low frequancys travel well where as high frequancys dont.

thanks to dave ward for this

Scott^p · 3rd March 2006, 17:53

im glad you did im fed up with me and only a few others spreading the hate

i did write a good write up a few years back but ill be buggered if anyone actually read or paid attention to it

hesslevtr · 3rd March 2006, 18:00

i would never buy 6x9s

there used to be a chavalier down my street with 6 of them on its parcel shelf

RyanBeattie · 3rd March 2006, 19:45

woohooooo another 6x9 hater....

Baz · 3rd March 2006, 19:49

maybe ill spread the hate when my front comps come, getting very pissed about them now though, been way over a month and many problems with caraudiosecurity and my mate

Reef · 4th March 2006, 05:48

intresting, then i wont buy any, i already have:

2 x 12" 1200w sony xplod subs
2 x 240w jgx-525 mids (component set but crossovers blew)
2 x 150w ?brand tweeters
1 x 1000w sony xplod amp
1 x 600w 4 way pro plus amp

i need some more speakers from back of saxo now, what size are the back ones ?

i aint installed this yet but am going to, my cars (hopefully) going back to the garage on monday, it came back from a full respray but there little bits and bobs he missed out, then after that hopefully the install will begin without 6x9's ! lucky too, as i was going to buy some as i sold my previous one with the car.

WorthingSaxoVTR · 14th March 2006, 01:44

need some more speakers from back of saxo now, what size are the back ones ?

no you dont dude, no need for back speakers at all

Dino209 · 21st March 2006, 22:11

my 6*9s are fitted in the rear door card so i don't have this problem right?

Scott^p · 21st March 2006, 22:19

you wotn suffer the sub air problem, just the problem of 6x9s being poorer speakers than you could have got

WorthingSaxoVTR · 21st March 2006, 22:34

it will still affect the sound stage dino209

matt69 · 24th March 2006, 00:47

so whats the best set up for sum1 hu wants bass and mid range sound ??

WorthingSaxoVTR · 24th March 2006, 01:25

best set up

is comps up front

no rear speakers

and subs in the boot

matt69 · 24th March 2006, 01:28

O ryte... klkl, i dnt kno much about car audio, assumed tht subs in the boot n 6x9s on parcel self was the best way to do it seen as most ppl i see have it done in their car.