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21st January 2012, 17:54
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L-plater
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Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed
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Phase 1 or phase 2
Hi guys I know I'm in the wrong forum but any help would be appreciated, I have a vtr with a 106 gti conversion, how can you tell the difference between a phase 1 or phase 2? The owner who sold it to me said its aphasia 2 but I was told it may be a phase 1
Cheers guys
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21st January 2012, 17:56
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L-plater
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The owner who sold it said it was a phase 2 *****
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21st January 2012, 18:02
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Saxperience Forum Bum
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Headlights are your biggest giveaway
Tear drop shape for mk2
More square shaped for mk1
If the front Citroen badge lifts with the bonnet, I'd say it was mark 2!
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21st January 2012, 18:05
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Phase 1
Phase 2
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21st January 2012, 18:11
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ofcourse just looking at it doesn't mean anything to confuse you a little more.
early mk2s had the mk1 engine and loom
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21st January 2012, 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f13sta
ofcourse just looking at it doesn't mean anything to confuse you a little more.
early mk2s had the mk1 engine and loom
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He has got a GTI engine so guessing he wants to just know the visual differences 
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21st January 2012, 18:19
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L-plater
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Car(s): Saxo vtr
Saxo vtr with 106 gti cammed
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I know the difference between a mk 1 and mk 2. I have amk 2 vtr and the engine is a 106 gti but not sure how to tell if the engine is phase 1 or phase 2, sorry of I confused you.
It's just I'm looking at 4-1 manifolds and don't know if engine is phase 1 or 2
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21st January 2012, 18:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan9279
I know the difference between a mk 1 and mk 2. I have amk 2 vtr and the engine is a 106 gti but not sure how to tell if the engine is phase 1 or phase 2, sorry of I confused you.
It's just I'm looking at 4-1 manifolds and don't know if engine is phase 1 or 2
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if your wanting to find out if your gti engine is earlier or later type look at the ecu. if its 1 plug its early, 3 plug later. later engines had an egr valve on the exhaust manifold and 2 lambda sensors
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21st January 2012, 18:47
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L-plater
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Are there any other visual signes because it's a 3 plug ecu but only has one lambda
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21st January 2012, 18:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan9279
Are there any other visual signes because it's a 3 plug ecu but only has one lambda
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The EGR valve on the front of the engine is usually an indication.
Where is the lambda you can see?
The second one is usually behind the manifold and it's hard to see without sticking a torch behind it.
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21st January 2012, 19:02
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The only lambda is behind the manifold no others under the car that's the only one
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21st January 2012, 19:06
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Has it been decatted or is the cat there?
Has it got the EGR valve as in this pic?
The EGR valve is the round black plasic part in front of the cam covers...looks like it's attached to the manifold heat shield
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21st January 2012, 19:10
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It's standard manifold decat and saxsport system and it hasn't got egr valve so its a phase 2 then?
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21st January 2012, 19:11
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I'll try and upload a pic of the engine
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21st January 2012, 19:12
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Phase one by the sound of it.
EGR valve is phase 2 iirc
Single lambda is phase 1 iirc
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21st January 2012, 19:20
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Yeah same as the pic above.
Check over...
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21st January 2012, 19:24
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Cheers guys
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22nd January 2012, 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilsadvocate
Phase one by the sound of it.
EGR valve is phase 2 iirc
Single lambda is phase 1 iirc
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Its 2001+ that gained the EGR valve & 3 plug ecu & 2 lambda on the Vts ( and seat airbags) Euro III emissions.
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22nd January 2012, 17:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quick
Its 2001+ that gained the EGR valve & 3 plug ecu & 2 lambda on the Vts ( and seat airbags) Euro III emissions.
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So phase 2?
Mine is a phase 2 and has all of the above.
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22nd January 2012, 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilsadvocate
So phase 2?
Mine is a phase 2 and has all of the above.
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I don't think it necessarily means it's a phase 2 car....
because the initial phase 2 cars used the older engines? presumable the x/y reg ones that came in before 2001 that were still phase 2? :s
If i've read the above correctly...
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