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13th April 2012, 13:47
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well my mate parry121 had jono old 708d engine and automark remapped ecu to suit iirc when he had it done jono made 159bhp or so parry had it r/rd again with diff mani exhaustt and induction at awesome gti and it made 161bhp iirc so figures seem there there abouts
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13th April 2012, 13:51
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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5
Go to automark in stokesly, he's very good, good mates with Wayne as I'm sure that's who trained him
And it's alot closer
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Agree these guys are very good I would also recommend.
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13th April 2012, 14:40
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im going to ring around the guys suggested and get prices thanks for all the feedback 
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19th April 2012, 14:43
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rickp-rpm quoted me 999 all in, havn't heard anything back of chipwizards ill try again
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19th April 2012, 14:49
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Originally Posted by jeffchiz
the only thing that would stop me going to chipwizards for work being does is that any engine builder must know that their rolling roads figures are so innaccurate, so its either one of two things
they are good engine builders and know their print outs are stupidly high but they carry on regardless
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they are shit at what they do so they dont know any better and are just iggnorant about their figures
either one i dont think id ever take my car there
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Any good engine builder would be more worried about the quality of the MAP itself rather than the final figures. Any builder worth his salt knows all rollers vary and that the final map is much more important.
Just look at pull1off (seeing as you do stuff with them) they use NMS who have a great rep for mapping yet in recent back to back tests seem to have rollers reading 10bhp more than others.
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19th April 2012, 15:02
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Rollers are just a guide at the end of the day, if you want true figures you get an engine dyno involved
Otherwise they should only really be used for safe mapping and helping diagnose running issues
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20th April 2012, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Ryan
Any good engine builder would be more worried about the quality of the MAP itself rather than the final figures. Any builder worth his salt knows all rollers vary and that the final map is much more important.
Just look at pull1off (seeing as you do stuff with them) they use NMS who have a great rep for mapping yet in recent back to back tests seem to have rollers reading 10bhp more than others.
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I see what you mean, would just be interesting to see if they believe the figures or if they jist use them as reference points which if it is the latter then I've probably spoken out of turn
I think its the whole mapping std ecu thing aswell nms won't touch a std ecu as they know they won't be happy with the results they get and its also down to them not wanting that sort of client
My housemate did the catcam trial for the new 743's at rs tuning made 151bhp, then at nms he made 144bhp and the made 141 at surrey rolling road seems the further south you go the lower bhp figure lol
Mines going to nms in the next week or so to sort it out, its a bag of nails atm
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20th April 2012, 11:57
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Originally Posted by slimwiltaz
rickp-rpm quoted me 999 all in, havn't heard anything back of chipwizards ill try again
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what does that price include mate?
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20th April 2012, 16:26
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See rolling road graphs thread..out of the graphs tom posted NMS gave the highest reading by a long long way. You've got the figures mixed up 
I also am not a fan of remapping the standard ecu, but the northerners seem to lap it up even of it does mean they are screwed if Wayne stops doing them.
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20th April 2012, 18:06
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Originally Posted by jeffchiz
what does that price include mate?
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Ricky's offer is Ph3's, new followers, Cambelt changed, all fitted and mapped. To be honest it's not a bad price at all.
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Originally Posted by Ryan
I also am not a fan of remapping the standard ecu, but the northerners seem to lap it up even of it does mean they are screwed if Wayne stops doing them.
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The standard ECU is pretty good to be honest for remapping, as long you're not bolting any induction modifications on. It's got 24 points to map to, some after market ones only have 12.
And there's loads of places that do it as well as ChipWizards
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20th April 2012, 18:13
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Originally Posted by JoshB
The standard ECU is pretty good to be honest for remapping, as long you're not bolting any induction modifications on. It's got 24 points to map to, some after market ones only have 12.
And there's loads of places that do it as well as ChipWizards |
Sorry if I wasn't clear, it was mostly relating to the modifying the standard ecu to run throttle bodies.
There's not loads of people doing this.
Having the ability to store and back up the map on a standalone is something which is good, espec as over the years I've been on the forums there has been a few of the modified standard ecus fail (more often on 3 plug tu5 j4 engines)
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20th April 2012, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Ryan
Sorry if I wasn't clear, it was mostly relating to the modifying the standard ecu to run throttle bodies.
There's not loads of people doing this.
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Yeah, I agree with you there.
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20th April 2012, 19:33
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Originally Posted by Ryan
See rolling road graphs thread..out of the graphs tom posted NMS gave the highest reading by a long long way. You've got the figures mixed up
I also am not a fan of remapping the standard ecu, but the northerners seem to lap it up even of it does mean they are screwed if Wayne stops doing them. |
ah crap yea i did lol hes done that many rolling roads before and after different modifications its hard to keep track
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20th April 2012, 19:47
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Originally Posted by jeffchiz
ah crap yea i did lol hes done that many rolling roads before and after different modifications its hard to keep track
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Lol. I found it interesting looking at the figures in that thread tbh.
NMS reading a fair bit higher than the other two.
Hence my initial statement, NMS have a great rep for mapping. The final RR power results as always are not the important thing.
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21st April 2012, 15:12
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anyway thought id update to anyone who is interested i've got it booked into automark for the 29th may 
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21st April 2012, 16:27
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Originally Posted by slimwiltaz
anyway thought id update to anyone who is interested i've got it booked into automark for the 29th may |
Be interested to know how you get on. They adjusting the cam timing too?
I know a few people with 3 plugs and Chipwizards remaps who have a constant fault code about a processing fault. Would be a bit of a pain come MOT time unless you switch to a standard ECU.
I also know of a few cases where the ECU has shat itself completely - has always put me off, especially considering the cost of the map.
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21st April 2012, 16:30
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yes he will be adjusting the timing too  ill make a thread when i get it done
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