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Old 15th April 2012, 19:23   #1
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Ok the other day i asked if anyone knew how to do this to save me from buying one but got no response so did a bit of recon and worked it out for myself!

Whilst doing it i thought i'd create this quick guide to show peeps how to do it yourself. BTW thought i'd make it as basic as possible so apologies for the first few obvious steps

NOTE: i did this on my VTS engine that uses BBC2.2 Coil Ignition packs, those of you with VTR's, 1.4 and 1.1 should be able to do the same with your coil packs! However they are slightly different - also i'm sure some of you are aware these ignition systems work on wasted spark technology thus one coil pack per 2 cylinders

Anyway first things first what you need:



As shown above, Rachet, Extension Bar, Size 4 & 5 Hexagon key and Multimeter, optical - Haynes

Step 1:

Remove the coil pack cover: size 5 hex key, six bolts!



Step 2:

Remove the coil pack: size 4 hex key, 5 bolts!



Step 3:

Disconnect the coil pack and remove from spark plugs as shown:







Step 4:

Testing: the coil pack has four pins as shown:



From left to right:
Pin 1 = Primary trigger for coil pack 2 - this serves spark plugs 2 and 3
Pin 2 = 12v battery suppy voltage via fuel injection relay
Pin 3 = Chassis earth
Pin 4 = Primary Trigger for coil pack 1 - this serves spark plugs 1 and 4

In case your wondering how to determine which is which in the above pic i just unplugged the coil pack and turned it upside down

Step 5:- Primary Circuit Test

The first test looks at the primary circuits. Using multimeter set it to 200 Ohms and plug the leads into the correct ports. Now to test primary circuit one - this serves spark plugs 1 and 4, place the positive lead on pin 4 and the negative on pin 3 as shown:



you'll get a reading like this:



do the same for primary circuit 2 bridging pins 1 (positive lead) and 3 (negative lead) and you'll get your reading here's mine:



According to the Haynes manual the primary circuit should be between 0.6 and 0.8 Ohms from mine it tells me my first coil pack is on its way out but pack 2 is fine! - typical

Step 6: Seconday Circuit Test

The secondary circuit test looks at the resistance in the secondary windings responsible for providing your high voltage spark to the spark plugs. To test these set the multimeter to Ohms 20K.

This is simple to determine, you already know coil pack 1 serves spark plugs 1 and 4 and coil pack 2 serve the others so using the multimeter bridge between spark plug connector 1 and 4 to determine the first secondary windings resistance as shown:



It doesn't matter which way you put the positive and negative leads for this i chose positive on spark plug 1 connector.

Repeat the same for spark the secondary coil as shown:



Onces again referring back to trusty Haynes the secondary windings should read 19 Kilo-Ohms both of mine were producing around 15 kilo-Ohms showing signs of needing replacing

That's it SIMPLE! So rather than waste £100 on a part you might not need to solve your problem test it first! Unfortunately for me i now have spend sometime serving the net to find a good replacement on the cheap!

Hope this guide helps!!
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yeh i should of named it How to: before
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excellent guide mate!

Mines FUBAR and for the cost of £3 for a multimeter!

First tests
3/4 = 1.8
1/3 = 1.2

Secondary
1/4 = 15.01
2/3 = 15.08

No where near! haha
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excellent guide mate!

Mines FUBAR and for the cost of £3 for a multimeter!

First tests
3/4 = 1.8
1/3 = 1.2

Secondary
1/4 = 15.01
2/3 = 15.08

No where near! haha
Gee i thought mine was bad lol!
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Is this defo how you test it?

I've just bought a second hand one. And it's knackered as well
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did you test it at 20deg.C, the resistance will change with temperature
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I thought mine was bust so i bought a brand new coil pack, readings are exactly the same on both coil packs, and very similar in pattern to what you got in your guide mate. Are you sure thats how you check it cos it aint cured my cars fault lol
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What coil packs did you buy Sagem? as i know people have had problems trying to read values with these packs

whats you car's faults? misfire?

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This looks quite helpful,

however, does anyonw know which pin is which for the square plug for a VTR?

I want to check that there is definitely power before the coil pack before odering a new coil pack.

Thanks

Also, should this be being tested with the ignition turning over or just on?

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right i tried the secondary test on my 1.4 west coast and i am getting 6.3 on 1/4 and 5.32 on 2/3! am i doing something wrong here? taa
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right i tried the secondary test on my 1.4 west coast and i am getting 6.3 on 1/4 and 5.32 on 2/3! am i doing something wrong here? taa
Roughly what temperature outside was it? Haynes specifies their values were taken at 20deg.C atmospheric temperature, if it was a hotter day the internal resistance will be less, if it was a cooler day it'll be more!

Unfortunately without knowing the cable size you can't really apply a temperature coefficient to resistance factor. Also what manufacture is your coil pack?

I think a lot of people have agreed if its +/- 15% of the Haynes values it's ok!

Also it's a guide it doesn't mean it's the bible, i've just done some research and posted it to help others, ideally i'd prefer values taken from Citroen technical or Bosch/Magneti Marrelli (depending upon vehicle spec) as they designed the system.
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I know this is an old thread, but i think it's worth noting that the Haynes i have for Pug 106 says 0,5-0,8 ohms for the primal windings and 14,6k for Bosch / 8,6k for Valeo.

It also states that these values only are correct at 20c temp.
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Old but very interesting post.
Any chance of uploading the photos again as it seems all the links to Photobucket are broken. ;-)
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