mi-16/vts -gti-6 conversion??????

[Maxwell]

right theres a wee chance i could be getting a wicked red mk1 vtr....and was thinkin of a conversion.


theres a guy that goes trackdaying in northern ireland here, in a bog standard looking ax...but he has an mi-16 engine with cams and head done running on twin 45s etc, and it embarrasses 400bhp cossies on straights!


has anyone here done the conversion on a saxo??? and if so, whats the ins and outs? mounts???? looms??? any modifications to chassis etc??? as much info is needed people!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[williamsvts]

why not ask the bloke that has already done it?

[frankie]

ive got an issuse of max power where they put an mi-16 into a 106, and the blokey said it was a right ball ache.lol

[Karl]

Pug1Off fit GTi-6 engines into 106 / 205, so im guessing they'd do a Sax too.

[AXracing]

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff55/THougham/106.jpg

[Ryan]

gt06 conversions have been done tons now

[Steve]

gt06 conversions have been done tons now

worth doing or not? anyone know the work involved\?

[Ryan]

worth doing or not? anyone know the work involved\?

several threads on it.

need bits machining for it and a few modifications.

for the lb torque it produces is an interesting option. alot say it will handle like a boat, im not to sure if thats the case.

[MaRiO89]

Think thats the main reason why Bic is going for the 2 litre next, he said something about having more torque..

Yeah i have always had the belief it wont fuck up the handling, the 205's were fine and they are like the same size car and a similar designed chassis etc as the saxo..

You may need to upgrade the suspension to some stiffer items to aid the extra weight of the engine..

[Ryan]

Think thats the main reason why Bic is going for the 2 litre next, he said something about having more torque..


and because everyone laughed at his cars performance ;)

be interesting to see how the new engine performs, if the hype wasnt there about bic during the build i think there wouldnt have been so many people disapointed with its times.

Also something to remeber is with gti-6 the 6speed box is better off ditched.

[MaRiO89]

and because everyone laughed at his cars performance ;)

be interesting to see how the new engine performs, if the hype wasnt there about bic during the build i think there wouldnt have been so many people disapointed with its times.

Also something to remeber is with gti-6 the 6speed box is better off ditched.

Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo..

That thing would be a serious weapon tbh..

About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..

[Ryan]

Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo..

That thing would be a serious weapon tbh..

About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..

s1600s dont have 2.0L though :P

[MaRiO89]

s1600s dont have 2.0L though :P

Good point..;)

[KamRacing]

Its not slow though, much more suited to actual track driving than 1/4 miles imo..

That thing would be a serious weapon tbh..

About the hype thing, yeah i agree..It was built to Super 1600 spec, not to be the fastest N/A 1600 106 on the planet..i think alot of people forgot that..

I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol

[MaRiO89]

I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol

Will be wild!!

lol

[Ryan]

I think Bic did think he could get the fastest n/a engine, but as he is not an engine builder he relies on others to tell him what he should build. Sadely the new engine is again being built to a race spec and not the fastest n/a engine. 270bhp will be fast though so I doubt anyone will complain this time lol

as said. its all about the pub bragging rights, which is a shame.

[MaRiO89]

as said. its all about the pub bragging rights, which is a shame.

True..The 1600 has a spec any track enthusiast would wish for who owns a 106/saxo..

Fairplay though if he can do it..I would if i could afford to tbh..:d

[Ryan]

True..The 1600 has a spec any track enthusiast would wish for who owns a 106/saxo..

Fairplay though if he can do it..I would if i could afford to tbh..:d

the whole thing about bic building it though was so he had HIS own 1600 spec car, people used to say on forums why not just buy an ex works one, i used to read because he wanted his own one that was un abused etc...
people used to say turbo it etc.. but would get its being built to maxi spec...

so putting a 2.0L in is going against all has been said from day one lol

[leeroybrown]

Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that

[MaRiO89]

Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that

He is doing that..

[leeroybrown]

A bit of topic

James was that you in the pink saxo at traxs on the track

I watch someone be rather agressive maybe alittle to agressive on the corners at traxs;)

[MaRiO89]

A bit of topic

James was that you in the pink saxo at traxs on the track

I watch someone be rather agressive maybe alittle to agressive on the corners at traxs;)

lol

Its not pink..;)

Yeah that may have been me..I like to throw it in tbh..:d

[leeroybrown]

Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in";)

Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners

Looked good though i must admit

[MaRiO89]

Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in";)

Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners

Looked good though i must admit

I dont take it seriously..Its all about fun and if you throw a car in properly and keep it nailed its a quick way of taking corners and alot more fun..:d

Thanks dude..:P

[leeroybrown]

Tried to find you afterwards but could only see the pink beast and not you

[Ryan]

Exactly Ryan.. would defeat the ojective tbh if he did that

what i want to know is what will happen if the new engine underperforms and doesnt run as good as his current one lol.

[MaRiO89]

Tried to find you afterwards but could only see the pink beast and not you

LOL

Its not pink! :P

Why you try and find me..?

Is it a good thing..lol

[leeroybrown]

what i want to know is what will happen if the new engine underperforms and doesnt run as good as his current one lol.


Good question... tbh i would stick with the current one.. after seeing him at traxs, does he really need anymore power etc.. now he is just being greedy lol

LOL

Its not pink!

Why you try and find me..?

Is it a good thing..lol

Just to say hello really and comment on your wild driving ;)

[Ryan]

Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in";)

Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners

Looked good though i must admit

i think his overdamped rear end doesnt help matters tbh!

[leeroybrown]

Was funny to watch tbh

Kept saying to my mate

Watch the pink Saxo

Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol

[Ryan]

Was funny to watch tbh

Kept saying to my mate

Watch the pink Saxo

Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol

i was glad to see he kept his foot in though, alot of people would have lifted off and spun. Only the vids ive seen have i felt james brakes a tad early (at donnington) and like me likes to throw the car into the corner. there at least seems to be some appreciation for a line in there lol

[KamRacing]

Throw it in...... come on you should know there are better ways of taking corners then "Throwing it in";)

Use JP theory use the engine to slow down then gradule power off the corners

Looked good though i must admit

Personally I'd use the brakes to slow down ..

Poo shaped braking technique works best

[MaRiO89]

Just to say hello really and comment on your wild driving ;)

Oh right..Cool..:)

i think his overdamped rear end doesnt help matters tbh!

I like it though..would rather that than understeer..:P

Was funny to watch tbh

Kept saying to my mate

Watch the pink Saxo

Looks like he is driving like he stole it lol

Its a right laugh though..You should try it..:d

[leeroybrown]

I need to get on the next track session tbh

I feel i need to prove something

No idea what mind

What i'll have a go :P

[MaRiO89]

Track driving is a right laugh..i love it..:)

I just go wild and abuse my car like fuk..I now have a problem with it after trax..lol

[GrantW]

Poo shaped braking technique works best

Whats that then?

I dunno what I was doing round the track, just slammed brakes on before the corners and took them as quick as i dared lol! Got some nice squealing, but nearly lost it in front of josh haha

[Ryan]

slow in fast out, you want to scrub the speed off before the corner and accelerate through it, not be scrubbing the speed off mid corner.

[leeroybrown]

Its all about the racing line lol

Thats if your racing

If its a little fun doesnt matter

[smearsvtr]

1 word comes 2 mind crazy turbo mi16 in a saxo would be lethal

[MaRiO89]

slow in fast out, you want to scrub the speed off before the corner and accelerate through it, not be scrubbing the speed off mid corner.

If your name is Michael Schumacer and your trying to win the F1 championship..(i know he dont race anymore btw)

If your name is James and you drive a pink Saxo its just about fun..:P

[Ryan]

If your name is Michael Schumacer and your trying to win the F1 championship..(i know he dont race anymore btw)

If your name is James and you drive a pink Saxo its just about fun..:P

its more fun going faster though, although i do like a bit of uber late braking on turn in lol!

[MaRiO89]

its more fun going faster though, although i do like a bit of uber late braking on turn in lol!

Yeah i agree..

You cant beat abit of lift off oversteer at 60+ mph though..:d

[leeroybrown]

I couldnt see it as fun tbh

I am to competitive i would have to drive hard lol

[Ryan]

I couldnt see it as fun tbh

I am to competitive i would have to drive hard lol

you wouldnt have liked driving my car then.

fucked PAS, and std suspension and engine lol!

[leeroybrown]

thats to hard lol

[Ryan]

thats to hard lol

its a great gym session though!

work that upper body bitch!! ;)

[MaRiO89]

I have told you over MSN and in person Ryan.. No PAS=Hard work and to go on track and drive competitvely is another thing..Your mad..lol

[Ryan]

I have told you over MSN and in person Ryan.. No PAS=Hard work and to go on track and drive competitvely is another thing..Your mad..lol

init YO! ;)

[MaRiO89]

init YO! ;)

LOL

No PAS..:panic:

[Ryan]

LOL

No PAS..:panic:

it would be fine if i had a non PAS rack, but i dont lol!

just wait till i finally have a working 157.2bhp ;)

[MaRiO89]

it would be fine if i had a non PAS rack, but i dont lol!

just wait till i finally have a working 157.2bhp ;)

:P

I cant wait..:y:

Passenger ride for me i think..:panic:

[Ryan]

:P

I cant wait..:y:

Passenger ride for me i think..:panic:

lol if i fit the second recaro ;)

[MaRiO89]

lol if i fit the second recaro ;)

:P

Go on..try and scare me..:d

You know you want to hear me scream like a girl..:homme:

[Ryan]

:P

Go on..try and scare me..:d

You know you want to hear me scream like a girl..:homme:

i heard you were screaming like a girl when matt yates was rimming you in the bogs ;)

[MaRiO89]

i heard you were screaming like a girl when matt yates was rimming you in the bogs ;)

:panic:

How do you know..

[Ryan]

:panic:

How do you know..

as i said I HEARD you!

[Yates]

james your lucky i didnt see you on track ;)

did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners

[MaRiO89]

as i said I HEARD you!

Oh yeah..;)

[MaRiO89]

james your lucky i didnt see you on track ;)

did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners

Why's that Mr Yates?

You weren't quick enough..

[Ryan]

james your lucky i didnt see you on track ;)

did anyone spin in the saxp session? from what i gather te ssc had a few spinners


seamer span, about 2 laps after he overtook cloud.

[Yates]

would of showed you why the engine your building should of been a 16v ;)

and for the record james loved the rimming

[MaRiO89]

would of showed you why the engine your building should of been a 16v ;)

and for the record james loved the rimming


:P

I did enjoy the rimming tbh..

[Yates]

seamer span, about 2 laps after he overtook cloud.

didnt know that track hero cloud over took? :S

[Ryan]

seamer looked quite fast tbh, until (i think he lifted off mid corner and couldnt hold it)