TB's vs Turbo

[adamhighfield]

Which would get the most respect at a show? -

A VTS with wild cams & tb's

or a VTS turbo running 250bhp+

[Karl]

depends on who's looking at it,
I personally would prefer option one.

turbos for show though definitely.

[MaRiO89]

As soulless said..Depends who's looking at it..

I prefer TB's over a turbo..

[leeroybrown]

Respect PMSL

Be different is the key tbh

[Ryan]

id personally go TBs.

booost is ghey :P

Tbs on TU engines dont give huge power unlike on redtop engines for example. But give good throttle response, improve all over torque and sound the bollocks.

the only thing a turbo does is go broom tish! which makes the macdonalds crew beat off over. lol

turbos may produce more bhp but a well driven NA engine will piss on a tubby round a track

[Karl]

lots of McDonalds crew go to shows though,
hence if your building the engine to just show..

Turbo.

[leeroybrown]

Better noise with TB's people dont know whats coming ;)

You'll always get looks with a TB car full stop

[Ryan]

Better noise with TB's people dont know whats coming ;)

You'll always get looks with a TB car full stop

most people getting out of the way thinking what the fuck, its thunderbird 1 comming after me ;)

[leeroybrown]

;) Prefer Thunderbird 2 tbh

[frankie]

if you got turbo gota have more than one, just to be greedy lmao.

tb's look minter.

[Karl]

if you intend to use the power, throttle bodies seem the more sensible of the two options,
would be pretty hard keeping say 250+bhp turbo's Saxo to the ground.

[Ryan]

;) Prefer Thunderbird 2 tbh

:homme:

what about the giant pink limo not ur style?

[Ryan]

if you intend to use the power, throttle bodies seem the more sensible of the two options,
would be pretty hard keeping say 250+bhp turbo's Saxo to the ground.

theyre great for cleaning the wet tarmac though

[rushy_23]

LOL at Respect also. Thats a Need for Speed Underground thing eh?
"Your just earned yourself 5 stars rep hot shot!"

I do love Turbos, for example check this beauty of a Turbo'ed 106 at Trax:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/RedeXStylE/Trax200740.jpg?t=1189157461

But on these types of engines I would much prefer N/A TBs. End of the day mate
if you leave your bonnet closed who will know the differenc

[leeroybrown]

NO offence to anyone who owns a turbo saxo but.......

They always dont seem to last long at all with out something blowing up..

Ryan

You'd be Parker anyway if i had the pink Limo... Now drive me home bitch;)

[KamRacing]

both are good performance conversions if done correctly. Never base a performance modification on whether someone will release bodily fluids over your car in sheer exitement. Otherwse you end up with an engine hat looks nice but doesnt meet its full potential, a bodykit for your engine so to speak...

[adamhighfield]

id prefer tbs anyday, hence why i have them, but we are having a debate at work about it & just wanted some other opinions

[Toad]

That yellow thing looks shyte.

[Karl]

imo rush that yellow one is hideous.

[MaRiO89]

There's nothing like hearing a TB'd engine coming up a rally stage..

But then again if a turbo'd car is running anti lag etc like a WRC car then they sound damn good too..;)

[rushy_23]

The spoiler is wrong, but look at the bodywork Toad mate, and it sits perfect.
Nasty rims though.

I think Kams comment is spot on.

[Ryan]

that yellow one looks like an old one that was done, but irc he sold it off as parts.

cant remeber his name he was on a few forums and had a few features.

was a carworx tubby engine irc.

[Ryan]

You'd be Parker anyway if i had the pink Limo... Now drive me home bitch;)

yes MEEE LADY!

[rushy_23]

Im sure his is a Carworx jobby mate. Its on PGAC a bit I think?

[Ryan]

both are good performance conversions if done correctly. Never base a performance modification on whether someone will release bodily fluids over your car in sheer exitement. Otherwse you end up with an engine hat looks nice but doesnt meet its full potential, a bodykit for your engine so to speak...

i know several of them lol

[Baz]

personally prefer to see an engine with TB's

[Karl]

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh :(

[Ryan]

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh :(

have some sharp edges on it, they will realease body fluids then when they cut the fuck out of themselves lol

[leeroybrown]

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

[Ryan]

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

:n: :n: :n:

[leeroybrown]

how did i know i'd get that from you;)

[Ryan]

how did i know i'd get that from you;)

you love it ;)









* i do like the renault ranges btw incase didnt say at trax *

[Karl]

Karl but a reanult then, to release those fluids lol

decided against the 182 mate,
will be alot better off if i keep the S mate,
maybe in a year ;)

[Ryan]

maybe in a year ;)

wash your mouth out

[Karl]

wash your mouth out

dont get me wrong, Love the Saxo's.

Just wouldnt mind a newer car
Plus,
I could cam my VTS and take absolutely everything out of it..

...or could just buy something quicker and keep my rear seats etc.

[Ryan]

dont get me wrong, Love the Saxo's.

Just wouldnt mind a newer car
Plus,
I could cam my VTS and take absolutely everything out of it..

...or could just buy something quicker and keep my rear seats etc.

or you could not shag fat birds :P



on a serious note the 1*2 range is a nice range, if i handnt have built my track car id have one tbh

[leeroybrown]

ha ha Listen to Ryan

Honest the clio is just a saxo tbh just newer and quicker. If i ever wanted something cheap and fun i'd defo be going back to a cammed vts, white this time

[KamRacing]

I wish I had an engine that made people release bodily fluids tbh :(

dont think Megiurs offer a cleaning kit for that

[Karl]

Queers,
tbh - I do look at my Saxo and love the way they look.
perhaps ill just roll with it till it goes bang.

think the Clios will depreciate like a beast too.

why would i shag fat birds Ryan? cunt. :P

[leeroybrown]

think the Clios will depreciate like a beast too.


Thats why you either buy a cup a proper one or a trophy tbh

[Karl]

Thats why you either buy a cup a proper one or a trophy tbh

Mate, thats like saying, buy a VTS because itll depreciate less.

[leeroybrown]

Yeah but there were only 500 trophys made and even less cups, cant say that about a saxo can you

[Ryan]

if i had the money id go out now buy a mk1 172, and put a phase 2 rear bumper on it. there was one on cliosport that was fucking stunning. i love the slats on the mk1, and theyre more of a sleeper than the newer shapes imo

[Karl]

phase 1 are just lol to look at tbh.
look worse than a kick in the nuts.
would never buy one even if they are better cars than the phase 2.

[leeroybrown]

Plua they have a good old fashion accelerator cable and not this elec shit i have

[James]

I never really heard a TB'd car until I heard GodGTI's.. That was lovelly. Just sex in the ears..

[Ryan]

phase 1 are just lol to look at tbh.
look worse than a kick in the nuts.
would never buy one even if they are better cars than the phase 2.

i shall try and find the pic of this phase one, you will eat your words.

[leeroybrown]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/makavelli2005/meandmiddosept07008.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/makavelli2005/meandmiddosept07009.jpg

[Karl]

okay Ryan do that bud please :)

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

[Ryan]

okay Ryan do that bud please :)

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

craig was running DTH bodies, and vtr130 is only on 40mm jenveys irc.

the DTH are a fair bit louder.

josh has the same TBS as i do, theyre very quiet because of the airbox, but should give a better life to the engine

[Ryan]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/makavelli2005/meandmiddosept07008.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/makavelli2005/meandmiddosept07009.jpg


this one was silver with black wheels irc, carbon splitter, was very highly rated on cliosport.

infact part of me is tempted when i get my student loan to sack off my saxo and buy one lol

[Karl]

is vtr130 still on the same 40mm beasts?
or has he changed them with this new build?

I dont really understand it all, I just like to see how they go ;) lol

[leeroybrown]

josh has the same TBS as i do, theyre very quiet because of the airbox, but should give a better life to the engine

Balls to that

Noise is where its at

[Karl]

Werent you moaning about your exhaust at trax lol

[Toad]

I prefer the blue one!

[Karl]

I prefer the blue one!

Man speaks alot of sense tbh

[leeroybrown]

Thats why i have a blue one

WHo was complaining about there exhaust?

[Ryan]

Werent you moaning about your exhaust at trax lol

who me?

[Ryan]

Balls to that

Noise is where its at

i can remove the lid if i want for track days :P

[Karl]

....I meant leeroy,
overheard you saying something about the noise of your exhaust is doing your nut in.

[Ryan]

is vtr130 still on the same 40mm beasts?
or has he changed them with this new build?

I dont really understand it all, I just like to see how they go ;) lol

as far as imaware hes sticking with the same jenvey units

[rushy_23]

They are both sexy as hell sorry man. But the blue one wins sitting on the
182 Trophy style rims.

Ive been told that if the trumpets are left open, then debris that enter
the trumpets can damage the valves and shite! Heard horror stories of
meshed trumpets sucking the mesh into the engine!
So if anyone fits TBs, an air box is soo need if thats the case.

[Karl]

Ryan, lets cut to the chase,
who's car will be faster...vtr130's or yours.

[Ryan]

mk2s do look better, but i dont mind the mk1, id happily drive one.

unlike a mk1 saxo lol

[leeroybrown]

Should be ok with a air filter on though

Something like a pipercross p600 thingy

[Karl]

So your saying the mk1 is dog ugly now Ryan?

[Ryan]

Ryan, lets cut to the chase,
who's car will be faster...vtr130's or yours.

due to the fact im not spending several K on a rebuild his will be. im happy with 157.2bhp

although dont know what hes gonna drive like round corners ;)

[Ryan]

So your saying the mk1 is dog ugly now Ryan?

mk1 sax yes :clapping:

[Karl]

157.2 bhp?
what cams are you using,
dont people normally get around that kinda power from 708s and a map
(obviously with breathing mods)

...still jealous though, im prob at 120bhp if im lucky.

[leeroybrown]

Very mild cams i think

Not much higher left then the standard ones

[Ryan]

They are both sexy as hell sorry man. But the blue one wins sitting on the
182 Trophy style rims.

Ive been told that if the trumpets are left open, then debris that enter
the trumpets can damage the valves and shite! Heard horror stories of
meshed trumpets sucking the mesh into the engine!
So if anyone fits TBs, an air box is soo need if thats the case.

only things you need to worry about are stones and shite.

most stuff it it gets to the inlet valve will combust.

ive known tons of peopole who dont run filters or airboxes and nthe engines have been fine, im just doing it for added security as i cant afford a rebuild if a stone does get in there.

the mesh wont be sucked in it will usually be burned on over run tbh. unless you use mesh that doesnt burn lol

[rushy_23]

what cams are these then?

Its a story I was told by my local Pug tuner, one of the competetion cars they
built got wrecked cause the guy tried to DIY mesh around the bodies. Funny stuff.

[Ryan]

Very mild cams i think

Not much higher left then the standard ones

106 cup cams, very mild indeed, but the way it produces the power should be nice, it seemed respectable in fmps car.

if i feel i need more ill just go for wilder cams, although i dont think the extra 4-5bhp is important tbh, id rather put the money into suspension.

[Ryan]

157.2 bhp?
what cams are you using,
dont people normally get around that kinda power from 708s and a map
(obviously with breathing mods)

...still jealous though, im prob at 120bhp if im lucky.

TBs dont give HUGE power, its the way the throttle changes.

[leeroybrown]

more responsive and noise

Thats what you want tbh

[Ryan]

more responsive and noise

Thats what you want tbh


yes better response, and noise aswell as theorettically better midrange.

ultimately ill be selling this all off and fitting DTH and some better cams for 180-190 bhp, i just cant justify it atm with uni coming up

[leeroybrown]

tb'd a clio Ryan

At least the inlet is on the front, better rammage of air

[Ryan]

tb'd a clio Ryan

At least the inlet is on the front, better rammage of air

well not just better ram, but less issues of getting cold air into the inlet valve for combustion.

i plan to do a tbd clio at some stage lol.

i just love my french hatchbacks, no jc here ;)

[leeroybrown]

Pmsl :p

[Ryan]

Pmsl :p

;) ;)

think 230bhp is the most ive seen from a TB'd clio. and theres a fuck load of weight that can come out of them.

although id prob keep the thing stock in that sense and just have lots of shits and giggles

[leeroybrown]

Did you see Yozzasports tb cup at FCS

Speaks for itself tbh

[Ryan]

Did you see Yozzasports tb cup at FCS

Speaks for itself tbh

didnt go fcs. i know about the yozzasport one though.

is it GDI? that are also a company that seem to be getting great rep now. from one guy who set it up with his redundancy pay

[leeroybrown]

GDI have there own 182 conversion i think

There are some GDI bits i think on the Yozzasport one

[Ryan]

think the 172 is deffo gonna become the new saxo and chav wagon soon though, when they become cheap to buy, all the maccyD brigade will buy them.

shame tbh.

i also seem to be one of the few ppl who thnks the new 197 looks nice (although the 225 megane i prefer)

[leeroybrown]

Yeah thats probs my next upgrade a F1 225

[Ryan]

Yeah thats probs my next upgrade a F1 225

old type? blue with black wheels? or new?

i prefered the blue lol!

they did sound nice on track at the weekend.

[leeroybrown]

blue old one.

RS turning do a remap, my mate has it done to his cup

Stupidly quick

[rushy_23]

Man I cant beleive so many of you dont like the Mk1 Clio 172! Its pretty damn
nice imo. And in the yellow :p

Anyways, for 180bhp out of the 1.6 16v lump Im guessing you need all new
pistons and valves? Bottom end rebuild? How much would all that set you
back inc the cams, TBs, exhaust system, ECU etc etc?

[Ryan]

Man I cant beleive so many of you dont like the Mk1 Clio 172! Its pretty damn
nice imo. And in the yellow :p

Anyways, for 180bhp out of the 1.6 16v lump Im guessing you need all new
pistons and valves? Bottom end rebuild? How much would all that set you
back inc the cams, TBs, exhaust system, ECU etc etc?

to remain NA and hit that power, you will need rebated/forged pistons, to stop the valves hitting the pistons due to the large overlap you need from the mad cams. Tbs are needed to retain the idle on these cams.

its not cheap, my mate has a genuines 183.3bhp, and his spec is.
Catcams 803, Iapel High Comp pistons, Iapel I section steel rods, ported, flowed, big valves, solid lifters, pug sport sump baffle kit, genuine pugsport DTH throttle bodies, genuine pugsport maxi 4-2-1 manifold, group N engine mounts, custom 2.5 exhaust - no cat.
and is worth several thousands

[James]

i also seem to be one of the few ppl who thnks the new 197 looks nice (although the 225 megane i prefer)

I like them...

Had a tickle with one on the way back into hull... it did just push me over to the side :oops: How fast are they?

[rushy_23]

Phoock man thats hurting my eyes. Ive always been looking at a spec like:

Full Pugsport + Supersprint Manifold
Piper 285 cams
Port/Polished/Gas flowed Head
Jenvey 42mm ITBs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end <<< required?
OMEX or Emerald Management
Oil Cooler + Catch Tank
Lightened and Balanced Flywheel
Lightened and Balanced Crank <<< dont even know what that does/worth it

[Ryan]

I like them...

Had a tickle with one on the way back into hull... it did just push me over to the side :oops: How fast are they?

lol. theyre about high 6 low 7 to 60 irc.

supposed to be conrers where theyre even better than the old model, the debate is on

[Ryan]

Phoock man thats hurting my eyes. Ive always been looking at a spec like:

Full Pugsport + Supersprint Manifold
Piper 285 cams
Port/Polished/Gas flowed Head
Jenvey 42mm ITBs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end <<< required?
OMEX or Emerald Management
Oil Cooler + Catch Tank
Lightened and Balanced Flywheel
Lightened and Balanced Crank <<< dont even know what that does/worth it

no point in L&B crank imo on TUs the crank are quite good anyway, theres several people running big spec on std crank.

lightenend and balacned bottom end would mean the crank + rods and pistons.

headowork porting and polishing depends who does it, id personally prefer slightly larger valves like the qep heads.

emeralad are good - dave walker maps them
omex i have also very good

piper 285cams are quite mild in reality, theyre not actually 285 degrees according to several tuners ive spoken to. basically the same as kent pt51s and catcam 708s irc.

pugsports are nice, would suit your 106 better than the magnex, although if running really huge specs can be restrictive, i cant remeber the power ratings they are but remeber they were not designed for huge spec 16v engines

you wont hit 180bhp on what listed imo

[rushy_23]

Nah not aiming for 180bhp mate, anything around 168bhp+ would be a result,
more the driveability though im interested in.

Dont think I would want wilder cams than 708s/piper 285s.

Its actually a Pugsport centre with Magnex backbox I have fitted. If I went
for a full Pugsport I would have it cut to peices and hidden as I hate the look
of it!

So from what your saying a lightened/balanced bottom end and crank are
pointless with this type of setup?

Whats your advise on TBs for that kind of setup, Ive only just found out they
have different diameter bodies. You mentioned 40mm being restrictive? Would
45mm be excessive?

[Ryan]

Nah not aiming for 180bhp mate, anything around 168bhp+ would be a result,
more the driveability though im interested in.

Dont think I would want wilder cams than 708s/piper 285s.

Its actually a Pugsport centre with Magnex backbox I have fitted. If I went
for a full Pugsport I would have it cut to peices and hidden as I hate the look
of it!

So from what your saying a lightened/balanced bottom end and crank are
pointless with this type of setup?

Whats your advise on TBs for that kind of setup, Ive only just found out they
have different diameter bodies. You mentioned 40mm being restrictive? Would
45mm be excessive?


where did i mention 40mm being restrictive? i mentioned the pugsport it.
45mm imo does seem excessive, sandy brown did a great write up on the rallye reg about diameters of bodies, its the diamiter of the butterfly thats important.

L+B crank is a lot of money for what you get, so not worth it.

for the power you want id just put in some forged pistons to give better midrange. keep your cams, KMS DTH bodies (good value for money imo) bit of qep headwork and have some fun

[Graeme]

i personaly would rather have a supercharger but thats just me :P

[Ryan]

i personaly would rather have a supercharger but thats just me :P
that would be my second choice, i dont like turbos lol

*awaits martin to read this and give me a spanking*

[rushy_23]

Cheers for the info mate, thats really filled in a few lil gaps.

[PRICEY-VTS]

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

[Ryan]

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

how long is a piece of string?

depends on cams, ecu, what bodies using etc..................

[bullit]

how much would a tb's conversion actually cost and what bhp would you be looking at aswell ???

basic about 3k. and not a great deal of more power

[Ryan]

basic about 3k. and not a great deal of more power

dont you mean not alot of pub bragging rights but better driveablility?

[bullit]

dont you mean not alot of pub bragging rights but better driveablility?

well he asked bhp ;)

[Ryan]

well he asked bhp ;)

were talking penis girth figures though not length ;)

[bullit]

were talking penis girth figures though not length ;)

length was specified though ;)

[Ryan]

length was specified though ;)

I know.

boost for length
tbs for girth ;)

girth makes the woman wetter, length just is good to brag over

[Jimmy-Boy]

tb and cams doe's it for me :y:

[vtr130]

okay Ryan do that bud please :)

Wish I got to hear gods 106 tbh..

Ive heard vtr130s when it was on 708s, didnt sound that impressive, but bare in mind, was on an industrial estate with shed loads of other cars (such as impreza's) ragging it.

and Leeroy, that pic doesnt sway me, phase ones look like they're tired and unhappy.

Sorry soulless i have to disagree with you after watching the video, i just think u mistaked the boddies for the exhaust ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbtWZGUwpA

[vtr130]

due to the fact im not spending several K on a rebuild his will be. im happy with 157.2bhp

although dont know what hes gonna drive like round corners ;)

Just to let you know rebuild cost me Nothing for all the work thts being done ;)

[Ryan]

Just to let you know rebuild cost me Nothing for all the work thts being done ;)

but have the parts? cost you?

[vtr130]

Only the cams ;)

[Ryan]

youve got very lucky then

[jpsaxo]

id personally go TBs.

booost is ghey :P

Tbs on TU engines dont give huge power unlike on redtop engines for example. But give good throttle response, improve all over torque and sound the bollocks.

the only thing a turbo does is go broom tish! which makes the macdonalds crew beat off over. lol

turbos may produce more bhp but a well driven NA engine will piss on a tubby round a track


I concur.... :P

[vtr130]

youve got very lucky then

U don't need to tell me that!!

[Ryan]

saved about 4k then.

[vtr130]

Pretty much dude :)

And i got the opprtunity due to my gaylining ability!! lol

[bullit]

Only the cams ;)

hows that them?

[vtr130]

Car is sponsored ;)

[vtr130]

Still though even though i haved saved alot if have still spent ova 2k on new parts... It will be £3k when i get my quaife box. So still alot of money

[Ryan]

planning on getting a quaife gearset? or just joining me with a diff>?

[vtr130]

I have no clue mate, im not to keen on gearboxs to be honest and the car will be used most days?? Would a quaife gearset be to harsh for the road?? I might be buying lewis vts box with an atb.

[Ryan]

quaife do a sunchromesh gearset, so id expect it to be fine for daily use.
ask ax racing, as he has first had experiences with a few different gearsets.

[vtr130]

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash ;)

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me?? ;)

[Ryan]

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash ;)

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me?? ;)

not really. only thing i can see is 1st looks nice and long. thene the rest are short to keep you in the powerband.

[Joesnow]

Yeh i am seriously considering buying one of his boxes of him, if i can find a bit of spare cash ;)

Its a Quaife 2.538, 1.765, 1.421, 1.190, 1.043 close ratio gear cluster built in to a late type Saxo MA box along with a Quaife ATB limited slip differential with a standard VTS final drive.

Can you explain tht to me?? ;)

This with your 9000rpm rev limit?

You might want look at getting a different final drive in there as you will be doing about 60mph in 1st @9000rpm and top out at about 144mph in 5th… depends what tires you’re using to?

[vtr130]

60mph in first, quality 0-60 time ;)

[Joesnow]

Thing is how well will it pull to 60 in 1st? If you’re using it about town it will be a pain in the arse trying to do a hill start… 60mph for 1st is probably alright round a track when you get rolling but with that cluster it means that all the other gears are spaced out more too…

With a longer final drive it sort of misses the whole point of the close ratio box… with that much power you will probably have a very narrow power band and will need to keep it in the sweet spot by using closer gears and have a slower top speed

What rpms it going to idle at? Might find out you have to slip the clutch or spin the wheels just to get moving.

What sort of top speed are you after? I’ll recommend you a final drive for that box… you using bigger wheels/tires than standard to as that will have to be taken into account…

[vtr130]

Cheers joe, well if you can tell me wot quaife gear set is best i will buy it ;)

Im guessing the cams are going to be mainly based between 6-8.5k then im looking for about 130-140 top end as the nitrous may give me tht kind of terminal speed down the 1/4!!

[bullit]

i presume all your answers for you will need will come when your car is running so you know where your power is etc?

[Ryan]

should know where power is from the spec of the cams elliot

[bullit]

should know where power is from the spec of the cams elliot

more accurate though ryan lol

[Ryan]

more accurate though ryan lol

not really. the cam spec will determine where the powerband will be. even adjusting the timing a tad on his wont shift the powerband a huge amount imo

[leeroybrown]

This with your 9000rpm rev limit?

Hope thats not on the standard lifters lol

[bullit]

Hope thats not on the standard lifters lol

its on solids leeroy

[leeroybrown]

was going to say

Must be crazy doing it on standard ones

TBH i doubt it would make any power at those revs

[Joesnow]

I was thinking of a speed more like 100-120mph lol… would be such a waste to have such a long final drive on a peaky n/a engine… you can get a higher top speed and still have the acceleration but you would need a 6 speed…

Anyone know any info about bics gearbox? Like what sort of speed can he do in 1st and 6th?I doubt his cars geared to do those sorts of speeds and that’s a 6 speed plus I bet he’s got more power on tap too…

It really depends how much you’ve got to spend!? You could try and find out how long the dog engagement sets last and weigh up if it’s worth it or not… that one you mentioned is the cheapest quaife set you can get and would be ace for the street and track if used with the correct final drive…

Quaife synchro close ratio @ 9000rpm & s1 rallye final drive

1st – 51mph
2nd – 74mph
3rd – 92mph
4th – 109mph
5th – 124mph

That would be better… doubt you will be able to top out in 5th over the ¼ and shouldn’t be too bad for on the roads…

If you’re going to be really competitive… get it set up on an engine dyno, which I’m sure bics done. Then you’ll know exactly where all the power is and you can work out exactly what ratios you need.

[2000vtr]

how is it peope think throtte bodies are better than a turbo, turbos are forced air, throtte body isnt...." fancy air filter " that sounds good power gains is hardly nothing

[Ryan]

" fancy air filter " that sounds good power gains is hardly nothing

lol

a highly tuned NA car will piss on a turbo car round a track, its not about showing off to your mates with your big dump valve init.

Tbs give you a different throttle response and power delivery, as well as meaning you can run wilder cams.

there is a limit to what cams you can run on a standard inlet, so its hardly a fancy airfilter

[Ryan]

and to some of us driveability of the car is more important than saying to your mates... my car has 300bhp because its turbod.

it doesnt increase what god didnt bless you with :P

[Ste]

tbh i couldnt give a shit as a 1.6 engine is bollox and if i was building a show car id have it for a while.....i dont intend to run a 1.6 for longer than i have to.

If i was going to show a car it would have a 2.0 Twin Turbo engine. No ifs/Buts. It would have a silly sized turbo with a smaller quick spooling turbo. And it would be Japanese and RWD.


Its my opinion so nerrrrrrr

[Ryan]

tbh i couldnt give a shit as a 1.6 engine is bollox and if i was building a show car id have it for a while.....i dont intend to run a 1.6 for longer than i have to.

If i was going to show a car it would have a 2.0 Twin Turbo engine. No ifs/Buts. It would have a silly sized turbo with a smaller quick spooling turbo. And it would be Japanese and RWD.


Its my opinion so nerrrrrrr

JC....:P

[Toad]

That's a bit random!

[Ryan]

That's a bit random!

what i thought.

[Ste]

JC....:P

Expand lol ???

That's a bit random!

Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

[Ryan]

Expand lol ???



Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

JC - jap crap.

Saxo forum - generally discuss tuning saxo engines for some un known reason.

BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

[Toad]

Expand lol ???



Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

**Holds self back from having a spaz attack**

[RedB]

Saying that, if you had a bonnet scoop to inlet air and a proper feed like JP saxo then the air would be forced sort've as it direct to the inlet

My ideal car would be 2.5 sequential Twin turbo with AWD

[KamRacing]

when choosing your gearbox you will probably need to gear it slightly above 60mph to hit that before the rev limiter but you are probably better gearing it for the powerband as you will be faster by keeping the engine on cam.

For road use you either want a Helical gearset that is strengthened (i think this is what the quaife one is) and has sychromech or you want a straightcut box with sychromech> (these are stronger and have less transmission loss but are more expensive)

The other race only option is the dog engagement or lug drive. This will be straight cut gears and is the most brutal to use.
The dogs or lugs are what enable clutchless upshifts and downshifts, but at a cost. You would have to rebuild the box after every track event as the lugs will get chipped and you will loose gears. To save the lugs you will need to lift off on upshifts and use the clutch on downshifts, unless you have money to burn (the parts really are not cheap!)

[RedB]

JC - jap crap.


BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

Saying that having 700bhp of pure power inder your right foot with turbos that can take your head off at 9k rpm in every gear would make a huge difference from a 130odd bhp saxo :homme:

[Japman]

Be different is the key tbh

Perfecto answer to be Perfeacto

Also J C for the win, French car quility suks

[Ryan]

Saying that, if you had a bonnet scoop to inlet air and a proper feed like JP saxo then the air would be forced sort've as it direct to the inlet

My ideal car would be 2.5 sequential Twin turbo with AWD

Throttle bodies dont work by a forced air though, they take what air they need. the only problem you have is on TU engines the inelt valve is at the back of the head, so the air drawn in is hot, hotter inlet gasses are not so good for cimbustion. Jost doesnt have a scoop, he has an airbox with air being fed from the the slam pannel.

The maxi tb set up on the 106 has an underbonnet skin feeding the tbs which are in a 3/4 style airbox the bonnet itself being the lid to give cold ambient air to the bodies themselvess.


and sicne when was this an ideal car thread??? :homme:

[Ryan]

Saying that having 700bhp of pure power inder your right foot with turbos that can take your head off at 9k rpm in every gear would make a huge difference from a 130odd bhp saxo :homme:

As said we are talking about saxon tunning.
IF yo dont think a saxo is fast enough buy a bigger car. its like compairing an E46 M3 CSL to a saxo ffs.

power is what you use of it, most people cant drive a car with 700bhp its all about bragging rights.

[Ste]

JC - jap crap.

Saxo forum - generally discuss tuning saxo engines for some un known reason.

BHP doesnt increase your cock size.

But it shrivles you'res..........when the only thing you see on a 1/4 mile is the back of a boosted Jap monster....


Dont be a gay just because i dont want a 1.6 all my life....no need to be a cock is there.

1.6's are good, but my point is id get a better engine to start with if i was going to make a show car. I hear alot of jap owners who have and have had saxos say they havn't driven a more fun car. But i like to feel the power of boost kicking in on an engine pushing over 400bhp... than boost on a 200bhp car. Mind a VTR id say 160.

Which a saxo isn't going to do.....

And yes it is a saxo site but were not under hitlers ruling here and people do talk about other cars.

[KamRacing]

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.

With any setup its about useable power. 700bhp is no good if you can't accelerate with your foot to the floor as you get massive wheelspin. Throttlebodies offer a far quicker throttle response over normal inlet systems and turbo/supercharger setups and are easier to drive at the limit.

But take any engine, you should look at getting the most power out of it, Dry sumps, smaller alternators, small flywheels & clutches, catch tanks, straight cut gears, lightweight internals all help to remove parasitic losses and get the maximum potential out of what you have..

[Ryan]

Dont be a gay just because i dont want a 1.6 all my life....no need to be a cock is there.

But it shrivles you'res..........when the only thing you see on a 1/4 mile is the back of a boosted Jap monster....

1.6's are good, but my point is id get a better engine to start with if i was going to make a show car. I hear alot of jap owners who have and have had saxos say they havn't driven a more fun car. But i like to feel the power of boost kicking in on an engine pushing over 400bhp... than boost on a 200bhp car. Mind a VTR id say 160.

Which a saxo isn't going to do.....

my point is its a debate on here which has been about turbo or bodies.

then you came on and went into some rant about a project show car lol.

Everyone seems to be wanting to throw BHP figures about all the time and have the biggest bhp to brag, yet some of the fastest cars ive seen on a circuit are not huge bhp.

1/4miles in the uk is mostly jap because of the car market over here. If you look around the world its different due to the economic state of a certain country. Dont forget about highly tuned V8 engines for example which are used well by the americans.

[Ryan]

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.


its a shame martin is going to probably be in dubai now, as his ax seemed to be an interesting plan as he would have it set up very well i would imagine.

[RedB]

Throttle bodies dont work by a forced air though, they take what air they need. the only problem you have is on TU engines the inelt valve is at the back of the head, so the air drawn in is hot, hotter inlet gasses are not so good for cimbustion. Jost doesnt have a scoop, he has an airbox with air being fed from the the slam pannel.

The maxi tb set up on the 106 has an underbonnet skin feeding the tbs which are in a 3/4 style airbox the bonnet itself being the lid to give cold ambient air to the bodies themselvess.


and sicne when was this an ideal car thread??? :homme:

I know but if they can be force fed clean, cold air directly would that be the same as turbo's inlets?

Maxi set up is interesting cheers for the info. How do BICS run?

[Ste]

Yea, i know. The fastest 0-60 is a vauxhall.....

But BHP/£ seems to be best on the Jap market. And im fed up of having a 1.6 that yes is ace around corners but i wanna feel my face mashed towards my ears tbh....

[Ryan]

I know but if they can be force fed clean, cold air directly would that be the same as turbo's inlets?

Maxi set up is interesting cheers for the info. How do BICS run?

BICS?

theres no such thing, BIC is a person.

He has Pugsport DTH throttle bodies as far as im aware, in a modified (206 irc) longmans airbox, its got a pannel filter to clean the air, and the airbox should theoreticaly help with the ambient temperature.

A Turbo is ALOT of pressure the air is compressed to, you wouldnt get anythig near this from TBs. For a start a trumpet couldnt produce anywhere near enough ram effect to compress it.

[Ryan]

Yea, i know. The fastest 0-60 is a vauxhall.....

But BHP/£ seems to be best on the Jap market. And im fed up of having a 1.6 that, yes is ace around corners but i wanna feel my face mashed towards my ears tbh

JC is popular now because of the fast and the furious lol! that film did wonders for honda garages.

Remeber that Vtec-s are high revving engine much like what you would have when running tbs.

Its only really things like skylines/evos etc.. where you are talking huge power from boosted engines, but theyre not exactly a cheap car are they?

[KamRacing]

Tb's will not compress any air at all unless fed through an airbox that effectively uses the high pressure air at the front of a car, even then you are talking 1 or 2 psi max, considering boosted you are looking at 30psi its neglegable

[RedB]

A turbo car once well set up can be as fast if not faster than a n/a car, but what you find is that most cars are built to a budget and n/a people can and do spend more on suspension which is where most of your time is made. £3k on suspension is better than £3k on engine parts when you are building a circuit car.

With any setup its about useable power. 700bhp is no good if you can't accelerate with your foot to the floor as you get massive wheelspin. Throttlebodies offer a far quicker throttle response over normal inlet systems and turbo/supercharger setups and are easier to drive at the limit.

But take any engine, you should look at getting the most power out of it, Dry sumps, smaller alternators, small flywheels & clutches, catch tanks, straight cut gears, lightweight internals all help to remove parasitic losses and get the maximum potential out of what you have..

That really is good advice about setup Kam, my last comment saying about ideals and that shizzle was in response to the other comment about track cars btw..

Im happy sticking with what iv got and if i could end up with a setup like is listed above and what a few on here have managed to achieve my cock size would grow a little bit lol

[Ryan]

Tb's will not compress any air at all unless fed through an airbox that effectively uses the high pressure air at the front of a car, even then you are talking 1 or 2 psi max, considering boosted you are looking at 30psi its neglegable

off topic, you seen sybez is thinking about going back to single TB with the charger?

[KamRacing]

JC is popular now because of the fast and the furious lol! that film did wonders for honda garages.

Remeber that Vtec-s are high revving engine much like what you would have when running tbs.


Vtec is not about big power. It was designed to enable a car to have good fuel consumption even though it had an aggressive cam profile for performance, so a jekyl/hyde engine was created. To tune the cars to race spec you will always find the vtec is the first thing to bin. A similar pug engine with a fast road cam will be similar power though it will be harder to drive at slow speeds and fuel consumption will suck in comparison

[Ryan]

Vtec is not about big power. It was designed to enable a car to have good fuel consumption even though it had an aggressive cam profile for performance, so a jekyl/hyde engine was created. To tune the cars to race spec you will always find the vtec is the first thing to bin. A similar pug engine with a fast road cam will be similar power though it will be harder to drive at slow speeds and fuel consumption will suck in comparison

Vtecs are the engine alot of fast road users have as the engine of choice was my main comment. The Vtec engine is a masterpiece in itself. It was because Ste was saying about HUge power and haveing a jap car, which as you just said Vtec isnt about that

Personally would prefer not to junk the vtec and keep its nature and just run some bodies on it, seen a few very nice Tegs like this that were superbly set up.

[KamRacing]

off topic, you seen sybez is thinking about going back to single TB with the charger?

Throttle bodies are all about getting the maximum air to each cylinder. With a single body one cylinder might run lean and another rich due to the poor designed airflow inside the inlet manifold. Individual tb's can be tuned to allow the correct air to go to each cylinder.
With a turbo engine the air is far denser with oxygen and the benefit of throttlebodies is negated as air is pushed into the engine. He will probably benefit from a larger single unit for engine simplicity and power...

[RedB]

BICS?

theres no such thing, BIC is a person.

He has Pugsport DTH throttle bodies as far as im aware, in a modified (206 irc) longmans airbox, its got a pannel filter to clean the air, and the airbox should theoreticaly help with the ambient temperature.

A Turbo is ALOT of pressure the air is compressed to, you wouldnt get anythig near this from TBs. For a start a trumpet couldnt produce anywhere near enough ram effect to compress it.


i meant what does BICs run sorry lol, it was a 106 as well and pant stainingly quick, il find the video on youtube in a bit

[Ryan]

Throttle bodies are all about getting the maximum air to each cylinder. With a single body one cylinder might run lean and another rich due to the poor designed airflow inside the inlet manifold. Individual tb's can be tuned to allow the correct air to go to each cylinder.
With a turbo engine the air is far denser with oxygen and the benefit of throttlebodies is negated as air is pushed into the engine. He will probably benefit from a larger single unit for engine simplicity and power...

its not going to be so bad for him though, its only the ford boys that really use ITBs on turbo engines because the standard inlet is so poor, but even then a fair few junk the intenrals, and attach a bigger single TB onto the plenum chamber.
Hes been complaining that the TBs are making the throttle to harsh and snappy which he doesnt want with the power he is running.

[Ryan]

i meant what does BICs run sorry lol, it was a 106 as well and pant stainingly quick, il find the video on youtube in a bit

dont need vids, i know of bics car - hence my post.

Most of his speed is from the gearbox, no longer going to be a 1600 that.

[KamRacing]

Vtecs are the engine alot of fast road users have as the engine of choice was my main comment. The Vtec engine is a masterpiece in itself. It was because Ste was saying about HUge power and haveing a jap car, which as you just said Vtec isnt about that

Personally would prefer not to junk the vtec and keep its nature and just run some bodies on it, seen a few very nice Tegs like this that were superbly set up.

True. We are keeping the vtec on the 309 s2000 as it will make it simple and reliable to start. The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest. The civic is pretty good but nothing to wet the bed over. Now their top of the range cars are, Evo's Skylines etc but then when new these cars cost £30k more

[Ryan]

The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest.


at least someone agrees with me.

anyway 309? gonna be similar spec to sandys trio?

[leeroybrown]

The average jap cars are nothing great to be honest.

I agree

Civic Type R looks like a twat wagon

[Ste]

I wouldn't go V-Tech tbh.

Silvia S14 / RB20DET

I like cars, not just a car because its from a certain part of the world. You cant say this isn't nice;

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1176/628424141_5ad434cbfe_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1002/628426177_f0e0ee7201_b.jpg

I like slammed;

http://violentrunning.squidd.org/galleries/d/7330-3/_DSC2418+copy.jpg

i dont understand why someone wouldnt like a car because of its origin, racism to metal....

I like most cars but i can also take judgement on cars even if its against the car i have..... Something people need to learn.

[KamRacing]

Ryan -
not really. The 309 has a Rallycross kevlar carbon body, spaceframe chassis, honda s2000 engine, transmittion and suspension, RWD and you get the idea.
Imagine a 750kg s2000 and you get the idea of performance...

[Ryan]

I like cars, not just a car because its from a certain part of the world.

The JC is a tounge in cheek joke dude dont take it so serious.

Personally i am a skyline fan, but thats not because of the engines themselves, but the handling system on them, the fact they were effecitley banned from racing in certain race series speaks for itself.

Im just a bit bored of the whole people beating off over anything thats JC tbh.

[Ryan]

Ryan -
not really. The 309 has a Rallycross kevlar carbon body, spaceframe chassis, honda s2000 engine, transmittion and suspension, RWD and you get the idea.
Imagine a 750kg s2000 and you get the idea of performance...

yes totally different, id like to see it at somepoint though, as from what ive seen sandys on TBs goes fucking fast, and thats really on an old beaten up shell.

I wanna drop into your workshop lol! see all these projects you have going on!

[Ryan]

I agree

Civic Type R looks like a twat wagon

your post is here leeroy

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/ctrmail-vi.jpg

[jaybiss]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/233141.htm

thoughts on that...

i dont know much but that doesnt look the best imo

[Ryan]

the throttle body/inlet manfiold make is loved by vauxhall homos :P

very good reputation they have though, dont like the bonnet scoop, theres scope there to make a good car, just needs a fair bit of work, and it wont be fast.

although tbh if you could get for like 2.5k is a bit of a bargain if set up right.

[Ste]

The JC is a tounge in cheek joke dude dont take it so serious.

Personally i am a skyline fan, but thats not because of the engines themselves, but the handling system on them, the fact they were effecitley banned from racing in certain race series speaks for itself.

Im just a bit bored of the whole people beating off over anything thats JC tbh.

Do you like the N1 then? woop woop

[vtr130]

Expand lol ???



Well i see cars that get taken to a garage, someone spends about 2 grand, and they come out with a Mahoosive bhp figure.....and run fine. Yet to get any life from a 1.6 you've gotta tweak tweak tweak. Its pap imo.

I piss all ova most jap motors ;)

[Toad]

That car you're working on Kam sounds awesome.

[Tim_1]

hate to bring up an old subject, but a very discussedubject, by reading though it(Yes the whole thread)i still carnt decided if i want Itb's or a turbo
If 2 saxos had the same suspension setup and where complety the same besides the engines. where saxo1 was running a 190ish BHP N/A engine vs saxo2 with a 250BHP Turboed engine, which would most likly win around a track?

also would there be any point in running both iTBs and a turbo ? or would this just be a wank idea.

[Ryan]

depends on a few things, BHP for both doesnt mean driveability.

A TBd engine on 220bhp for example will have a very narrow powerband thats not very usable unless with an expensive gearbox. So cam profile for a TB engine is more important imo than on a boosted set up. Same for turbo where the wrong size turbo may give big bhp but poor drivability.

[RCD-Performance]

Just one thought that's popped into mind, if you can't decide wether you want iTB's or a Turbocharger, have both :)

Oh and that s15 is god damn gorgeous!

[Ryan]

tbs and turbo are not easy to set up though.

and theres no point imo due to the fact that TUs on std inlet there are a few still hitting 200-250 ATW with the right boost set up.

[RCD-Performance]

I didnt say it was easy or there was any point, just having a bit of a joke!

[Ryan]

I didnt say it was easy or there was any point, just having a bit of a joke!

i just knew someone would get the idea from it dude and then id see 400 how can i turbo and TB my car at once threads.

[dannygti]

i suppose the big for, for the turbod car is the torque.but itb's have very good throttle response, thats why ive decided to supercharge ;)

[RCD-Performance]

i just knew someone would get the idea from it dude and then id see 400 how can i turbo and TB my car at once threads.

lol thats a fair point.

[Toad]

i suppose the big for, for the turbod car is the torque.but itb's have very good throttle response, thats why ive decided to supercharge ;)

Hehe. Torque is for girls. ;) Learn how to drive in the powerband FTW! :panic:

[AlexB]

Just one thought that's popped into mind, if you can't decide wether you want iTB's or a Turbocharger, have both :)

i was thinking that lol

[Jackman]

However much i love Turbo's.

Id rather pop my bonnet and show off a set of trumpets.

[Toad]

However much i love Turbo's.

Id rather pop my bonnet and show off a set of trumpets.

Aye!

Turbo's are like viagra. Proper big trumpets is where it's at. :D

[scott-richards]

whats tb' dude?

[Sophia_Bush]

i love my viagra in that case

[littleracer]

whats tb' dude?

throttle bodies.:p

[AlexB]

id agree with jackman
trumpets look the tits
on a turbo most of ts hidden theres just pipes everywere really

[Karl]

.........Alex-VTS,
with your last comment that doesnt seem to make much sense to me.

With TBs,
you see trumpets.
thats about it...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/doesntbelong/engine.jpg

...I can see alot more than just pipes.

Not that it matters really what it looks like,
its how it drives :D

[AlexB]

on that 1 yea ill admit you can see the turbo ect

but thats a straight up view you couldnt look from that angle as a person
his origonal question is what would get mre respect at a show
tumpets are a lot more visible imo

ps has he got bodies on there 2?
cause the inlet mani apears to be the bottom of bodies??

[RCD-Performance]

Yeah it has from what i can see. That's what i said about 8 posts ago lol.

Lovely engine bay mate, looks like its been done well, got rid of the wasted spark, external wastegate, im impressed.

Big question, does the screamer exit the car, or back into the exhaust ;) lol

[AlexB]

yea thats pretty wild
gotta be hard as hell to get them set up

[vtr130]

Tb's for me all day long... But i wouldn't mind building another saxo that is turbo :)

[Ryan]

The DP inlet doesnt use individual butterflys like bodies though. Its a metal inlet with 4 inlets much like a std inlet manifold

[Sean]

I seem to remember Jamsports purple escort rst ran both boost and 'bodies

[Ryan]

ford tuners do tend to run them more, guess thats why they took on sybez and the charged and bodies route. Everyone knows how often that ran

[pjm300]

i want boost :(

[KamRacing]

Just one thought that's popped into mind, if you can't decide wether you want iTB's or a Turbocharger, have both :)

Oh and that s15 is god damn gorgeous!

I think the Nissan Pulsar GTR runs ITBs and a turbo as o/e

Found a video of an 240RS with Pulsar Grp A ITBs on. Impressive throttle responce and the boost climbs nice an quick!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6730753779107866303&q=DSG+240rs

[Narbar]

the problem i find is actually locating both turbos and throttle bodies for saxos! has anyone got any website links?

[KamRacing]

and the car on the dyno

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1947629114508290046

[KamRacing]

the problem i find is actually locating both turbos and throttle bodies for saxos! has anyone got any website links?

anything is possible with an angle grinder and lump hammer

G

[RCD-Performance]

It seems a few people with the SR20 engines use iTB's as well as a turbo. in my opinion you simply get teh best of both worlds.

And the noise, OH YEAH!


the problem i find is actually locating both turbos and throttle bodies for saxos! has anyone got any website links?

You mean locating them in the engine bay? Or actually finding the parts?

[Narbar]

i mean actually finding the parts, i can find all the small mods that dont reeally do much but can never find the heavy stuff like turbos or throttle bodies

[pjm300]

It seems a few people with the SR20 engines use iTB's as well as a turbo. in my opinion you simply get teh best of both worlds.

And the noise, OH YEAH!




You mean locating them in the engine bay? Or actually finding the parts?


unfortunately it was found for the saxo engine, that running anything greater than 40mm t/b's let in far too much air even on very slight throttle.

of course it could probably be achieved by using smaller diameter bodies, but then you've wasted 500 quid on the bodies, then linkage, then manifold, then plenum.

so its over a grand which could easily be spent on a better turbo/pistons/rods.

[RCD-Performance]

i mean actually finding the parts, i can find all the small mods that dont reeally do much but can never find the heavy stuff like turbos or throttle bodies

we're in the middle of developing our own TB kits :)

[RCD-Performance]

unfortunately it was found for the saxo engine, that running anything greater than 40mm t/b's let in far too much air even on very slight throttle.

of course it could probably be achieved by using smaller diameter bodies, but then you've wasted 500 quid on the bodies, then linkage, then manifold, then plenum.

so its over a grand which could easily be spent on a better turbo/pistons/rods.

They are quite small engines, and i can see you point. On something like the sr20 or 3sgte, this is less on an issue.

[pjm300]

obviously if you could get the pivot to not open the throttle as much on part throttle, it wouldnt be so much of an issue.

but the money could still be better spent elsewhere imo :D

[vtr130]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o294/vtr171/100_0134.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o294/vtr171/100_0135.jpg

Enough said really!!

[Sophia_Bush]

everyone loves a bit of dirty boost!!

[bullit]

turbo'd supercharged engine for me

[KamRacing]

wow this is a blast from the past. I think that the right size multiple throttlebodies on a turbo 106 will work, but go too big and there will be problems with throttle response further exasperated by the turbo lag. Didnt sybez have 45's?

[Tim_1]

turbo'd supercharged engine for me

Royal navy landing craft run turbos and superchargers, about 500 bhp + if i remember

[gazza808]

the only thing about multiple bodies and boost is they are more of an on off switch.

not much progression as instead of one feeding all four cylinders you have one each and wrecks the drivability.

hope that made sence lol

[Ryan]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o294/vtr171/100_0134.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o294/vtr171/100_0135.jpg

Enough said really!!


and you couldnt have used the decent pics i took?

[vtr130]

Didnt have them on my photobucket ;)

[RCD-Performance]

LAg on that thing must be nice! lol

Looks rather wll done though.

[Sean]

LAg on that thing must be nice! lol

Looks rather wll done though.

anything Martin Haadland builds is 'rather well done' lol Have a look on the Reyland website, 187mph mondeo cosworth, 195mph escort cosworth to name a few. That engine above is running a touch over 700bhp with his own Skyline gearbox conversion.

[AlexB]

thats pretty wild then lol

[KamRacing]

All the WRC cars run ITBs and Turbos. They go well :)

[Sean]

Reyland cossie before it was rolled on the Gumball (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yVjivgsU2aA&feature=related)
In old spec it was a beast, he's now taken on a lot of tuning ideas for the Norwegians hence new power figures with better driveability.

[vtr130]

Yeh its got like a £2k ecu with seperate maps for like 3 different things, lol... Its a beast so quick that thing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbdwO2S_cQk