Fitting A Cosworth Engine?

[mikemacmillan]

I've been wondering this for a while but...

Is it possible to fit and work a Cosworth engine into a saxo?

I've read that it wont go in as it is to big, but i have seen a ford ka and a fiat cinqecento both with a cossie engine in them.

Even more is I've seen a Pug 106 with one in it. Isnt this basically the same car as the saxo? So Shouldn't it go in?

Any ideas or facts about this?
And if it IS possible how big a job would it be?

Cheers :y:

[Ryan]

do you have big pockets?

[Ryan]

the 106 one was actually a sierra 4x4 where the chassis was cut and the 106 shell was fitted to it. not just an engine dropped in.

big ££

[rushy_23]

Couldn't Cosworth tune a 1.6 16v lump to stupid amounts of power for less
money? Dont ask man just a random thought.

[KamRacing]

its a big job... but if you are willing to pay for all the time and fabrication then its just a case of budget more than being technically difficult

Not the best conversion I don't think. the cossy engine and gearbox weight alot

[vtr130]

Theres a guy on ssc putting a cossie engine in an ax!! Spaceframed chasis

[KamRacing]

For all the fabrication that would need to go into the work there are a lot better engines out there that can be tuned to silly power. The sierra and escort cossie engines are old engines that have been superseded in design. There are lighter engines from the jap companies for starters...

[mikemacmillan]

Sounds like a big job then unfortunatly. Any estimate to how much £££?

Any other engines with big power anyone would recomend?
Possibly with a turbo like the cossie?

[Tobs]

unless you big pockets mate then yh dont be like these clowns that come up to me and ask can they get a full turbo kit fitted for 600 quid

[mikemacmillan]

Even though the cossies are heavy old etc, id stil prefer one, mainly because of its history, status etc...

Not got big pockets just now but hopefully will do in a few years.

Just looking for an idea of price and labour that has to go in for such a job :(

[Ryan]

not just labour, you will need machining of custom engine mounts etc...

custom driveshafts... probably need to use the ford suspension and subframe.

you might as well buy a cossie as a donor vehicle and as people have done before modify the chassis to fit a saxo shell.

Tams AX is a bit different though :P

[KamRacing]

Even though the cossies are heavy old etc, id stil prefer one, mainly because of its history, status etc...

Not got big pockets just now but hopefully will do in a few years.

Just looking for an idea of price and labour that has to go in for such a job :(

If you want the history and status.. buy a cosworth :y: ... or am I missing something?

estimate of costs... for a drive in drive out build to convert a road car.. well over £10K.

[Steve]

pointless imo yeah may be cool after all the hard graft to say wooo got cossy engine.
much better engines out there

[Ryan]

If you want the history and status.. buy a cosworth :y ... or am I missing something?

lol...

[S34MER]

pointless, as it would cost ridiculous amounts of dosh! and for a cheaper price you could Fit an S engine and Charge that up. lighter and ridiculous gains if you go wild on it!

if your serious about doing it though, their are no better cossie specialists in britain (possibly europe) than Top Boss Performance (www.topbossperformance.co.uk - iste is under construction atm though :oops: )

[leeroybrown]

You'd have to be insane and have won the lottery to even think about doing it tbh.

My worth the look of peoples faces in the end though;)

[Adamski_frst]

pointless imo yeah may be cool after all the hard graft to say wooo got cossy engine.
much better engines out there


agree its a bit silly to do this to a 106 or similar cost is too much.. but let me just add at this point the cosworth maybe old but is still very much a force to be reccond with... mine is by no means quick but i have beat scoobies, evo's, skylines not one yet has been a match. Even a R34 at pod .5s slower than me... So all isn't always as it seems...

[middleweight]

anythings possible if your pockets are deep enough!

[KamRacing]

agree its a bit silly to do this to a 106 or similar cost is too much.. but let me just add at this point the cosworth maybe old but is still very much a force to be reccond with... mine is by no means quick but i have beat scoobies, evo's, skylines not one yet has been a match. Even a R34 at pod .5s slower than me... So all isn't always as it seems...

the cosworth engine is a good'un being a detuned race engine for the road effectively. but when starting to rebuild a car with a longituninal engine and rwd then it makes sense to look at the other options. I had this with the 309. a cosworth engine and running gear nearly went into that.

will be interesting to see the cossy ax next to my S2000 309 when thry are both done to see how he tackled the issues we had to overcome too.

[Dax24]

this is something i would love to see but for the amount it would cost it jsut wouldnt be worth the hassle.
the engine alone (with high mileage) will set you back around £2-£3k and thats before any work is done.

you will then be looking at around another £5-£6k for the labour and setting up if you are lucky.

[Predator_R32]

isnt someone on SSC doing a cosworth conversion on an AX

he has done major work to get it to fit etc, the firewall has been cut to bits to get it to fit but will be a beast in the end

like said it would be cheaper to buy a cosworth :y:

[Ryan]

isnt someone on SSC doing a cosworth conversion on an AX

he has done major work to get it to fit etc, the firewall has been cut to bits to get it to fit but will be a beast in the end

like said it would be cheaper to buy a cosworth :y:

yes, taz.

[Predator_R32]

yes, taz.

a thought there was :)

[oadamo]

the engine would fit but you would need a lot of work. i bought a engine just the block and head 900 and thats without the turbo/ injectors and everything else.everything i phone for to buy bits for it is 100 or over not good. so your looking at about 2k for everything you need lol.
adam

[mikemacmillan]

heres a few photos of a 106 with a cosworth engine in it:

on the site i found it was in french and when translated it didnt really say much :n:

http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/2/3/9/4/3/2394357340a3712803523b322009139l.jpg

http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/7/7/1/5/0/771505432a3720891787b613218646l.jpg

http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/1/0/6/1/5/106swappcossi4x43yk0.jpg

Look easy? :P lol

[qrty]

Go on www.zcars.org.uk!

You can have a:-

Ford Ford Duratec 2.0 litre or 2.3

Honda K20a

R1 Engine

Hyabusa Engine

or

Hyabusa Turbo

They will tune the engine for you aswell!

For the Standard kit its £5500!

Then they reckin about £2500 for a late model donor car!

Nice idea though!

Some good video's on youtube of this was in fastcar too!

I know it not the way of putting a cosworth lump in that your thinking about as in under the bonnet but its still good!

[Ryan]

As i said that 106 isnt a 106 with a engine.

its a sierra 4x4 with a 106 shell.

[jonezy]

to make the most of the cossie gear youd neeed to fit full 4wd or rwd.

front wheel drive just doesnt work with that engine

[tweeqd]

to make the most of the cossie gear youd neeed to fit full 4wd or rwd.
front wheel drive just doesnt work with that engine
it can be done, there is a mk5 escort van running one FWD with the MT75 box

ax cossie
http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=17097.html

the only real place for a YB though is in a cossie (or mk1 or mk2 escort) ;)

and the red 106 was built by DJM who also did the 4x4 cossie KA with evo runninggear

[Ryan]

it can be done, there is a mk5 escort van running one FWD with the MT75 box

ax cossie
http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=17097.html

the only real place for a YB though is in a cossie (or mk1 or mk2 escort) ;)

and the red 106 was built by DJM who also did the 4x4 cossie KA with evo runninggear

also were doing work on the Mc Rae (RIP) R4. irc

[tweeqd]

yes most of the fabrication work, there is an article on the finished thing in autocar

[Ryan]

yes most of the fabrication work, there is an article on the finished thing in autocar

thanks for that, might buy it, was a lovely car when i saw the great one driving it at goodwood this year.

[tweeqd]

i think its autocar, we get one sent to work every week ill check what mag it is lol

[pdd144c]

I'd be more inclinded to get an EVO engine to fit. They can be bought for under 2k with turbo, manifolds, gearbox etc, you'd just need mounts, driveshafts, exhaust and that's about it. Would be a reliable 280bhp...