Cammed 1.1??

[SNewham]

right I have the oppurtunity to get some cams on the cheap from a mate who is splitting his car. I'm not sure what kind they are but they for 8V VTR.


Now, I have a VTR 4-2-1 manifold already on the 1.1, the exhaust port spacing is identical, the block looks identical. Will the cams fit the 1.1? I have a feeling that I will.


Don't start spouting shit about not getting gains on a 1.1. It was just rolling roaded at 75.8 BHP which is 15.8 BHP above standard.

Obviously I'd get it remapped at same time, how much do you think I would gain?


cheers,
scott

[Saxo-Slag]

Thought you was dropping a vts lump in it

[S34MER]

what cam is it Scott?

[SNewham]

Thought you was dropping a vts lump in it

yeh but parents are giving me shit about it. They wont "entertain" it apparently. I'll put one in when I move to my flat next year but I might as well do stuff to the 1.1 engine until then. I'm getting these cheap so only expense will be the remap.


what cam is it Scott?

I'm not sure, I think he mentioned 285.. don't know what make though

[S34MER]

I assume he's giving you the pulley aswell?

[SNewham]

I assume he's giving you the pulley aswell?

pass, I don't know what that is but I can ask him I suppose. In theory it should fit a 1.1 though?

[Barry123]

compression ratio is different innit?
i dont *think* it will fit.


15hp above standard?

what magic rolling road was that?

[SNewham]

compression ratio is different innit?
i dont *think* it will fit.


15hp above standard?

what magic rolling road was that?


Wasn't magic, I now have:

supersprint 4-2-1 manifold,
supersprint race centre section
sportex backbox
Raceland enclosed induction scoop
Fluffy dice

[S34MER]

i honestly couldn't say mate, you'd have to try it and see, i've know nothing about the 1100cc spec.

The cam pulley is definately needed mate. the piper 285 is not a majorly wild cam iirc, but its capable of producing some pretty decent figures with a good re-map, on the VTR anyway. I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what sort of figures your looking at if you bang them in a 1.1

I like they way your being different though, camming a 1.1, not sure its ever been done before!

[Joesnow]

I’m not trying to nock you down or anything… but 15.8bhp up from standard is a lot without cams… that’s like a 26% hike in power… the equivalent of over 150bhp on a VTS without cams, and that’s got 16 valves

Don’t believe everything the rolling road men tell you as they can’t actually give you an exact figure from a rolling road.

If you’re getting them for cheap and they will fit… you might as well give them a try… I’m guessing you won’t get much more that 15.8bhp from standard with them fitted and remapped… it should sound nicer though

[S34MER]

If you’re getting them for cheap and they will fit… you might as well give them a try… I’m guessing you won’t get much more that 15.8bhp from standard with them fitted and remapped… it should sound nicer though

sound nicer!? :err:

why will cams make it sound any different!?

[Sophia_Bush]

physically will fit mate but depends if it came from a silvertop engine aswell?

75bhp is poss, gabbastards old 1.1 made that.

change the inlet to a VTR should see a little more with that on. Bah I think I will build another lump but with tbs on

[Joesnow]

imo the only noticeable difference will be a slightly changed engine note!...I doubt you will be able to tell the difference with a few extra bhp. It will rev slightly higher and might have a bit of a lumpy idle… and just might sound a bit different through the rev range…

What did gabbastard do for 75bhp? I’m guessing that was a magical rolling road too! And tbh that isn’t exactly an impressive figure

[SNewham]

imo the only noticeable difference will be a slightly changed engine note!...I doubt you will be able to tell the difference with a few extra bhp. It will rev slightly higher and might have a bit of a lumpy idle… and just might sound a bit different through the rev range…

What did gabbastard do for 75bhp? I’m guessing that was a magical rolling road too! And tbh that isn’t exactly an impressive figure

smaller engines still have the ability to have an increased engine output with a select few mods. Look at 1.2 turbos etc. They push out stupidly high power for their engine size.

Even some guy on here did a 1.1 turbo and he got really good outputs.

[Karl]

Even some guy on here did a 1.1 turbo and he got really good outputs.

he has that in a Quicksilver shell i believe,
says its far quicker than a VTR :)

[Barry123]

smaller engines still have the ability to have an increased engine output with a select few mods.

thats true but you've got to look at the percentage improvments here.

Im not saying i dont believe you...
I just dont believe its pushing out 75hp.

[SNewham]

Well anyway, I don't want peoples opinions just help on whether it will fit. The conclusion so far is that it will physically fit but whether it would idle properly after remap is another question

[stiffler69]

I have a vtr cam sat on my driveway for about a year now rusting the initial size and things might good for you try out

[bullit]

without a map theres not a massive point. want pulley aswell. you really would be best just getting a vts engine. your car would be rapid then.

[NOSHERVTR]

Yeh ok the smaller engines with a few "SELECT" mods may push up the performance a lil. I know you saying about the cars like the 1.4 gt turbo fiat and the other small engined cars with turbos toping the vtr/s but thats because they where built and designed like that. Think of the pressure your lil 1.1i engine will be under if you start messing with its main components like cams and ecu ect its more likely your pride and joy ( and it does look good by the way) will go bang under the strain so personally i wouldnt go der bud. think if you if could be dunno y didnt they design it like that in the first place, there is always a reason for not doing suming.

[SNewham]

As long as it's maintained properly and mapped properly then there shouldn't be any problems with reliability.


VTS engine would be better but I haven't got a hope in hell to do that until next summer. :(

scott

Yeh ok the smaller engines with a few "SELECT" mods may push up the performance a lil. I know you saying about the cars like the 1.4 gt turbo fiat and the other small engined cars with turbos toping the vtr/s but thats because they where built and designed like that. Think of the pressure your lil 1.1i engine will be under if you start messing with its main components like cams and ecu ect its more likely your pride and joy ( and it does look good by the way) will go bang under the strain so personally i wouldnt go der bud. think if you if could be dunno y didnt they design it like that in the first place, there is always a reason for not doing suming.

[Kwijibo_VTR]

Sounds like an intersting idea. I've never heard of anyone messing so much with a 1.1 but as Del Boy says "He who dares wins"
If it fits before you start it up remember to turn the engine over a few times by hand, just incase a valve or 2 gets a bit too close to a piston.
But I dont see why it can't work should sound like a mean machine after anyway.

[rushy_23]

I reckon go for it and see lol. Havent got a clue if it will work. Could query
somebody like Pug1off or GMC about it for more details?

Then turbo it in summer like Sophies Bush?

[Sophia_Bush]

ahem yes the guy who turbod the 1.1 would be me. Is fine engine wise but electrical problems right now.

tbh for now I would get a later VTR inlet bang that on and see how it goes, dunno if the cam will fit as not sure the cam bearing sizes are the same or not, it will go in and it will idle but it will be lumpy.

I wouldn't go to far with it tbh, reason I did mine was because virtually everything was cheap enough. Could always go a different route and stick bike bodies on it lol

[bullit]

As long as it's maintained properly and mapped properly then there shouldn't be any problems with reliability.


VTS engine would be better but I haven't got a hope in hell to do that until next summer. :(

scott

id wait to the summer then and collect some 16v cams and goodies. worth the wait then

[KamRacing]

I would think a change of inlet manifold would be a good next move.. get one off a 1.3 rallye.

the cams I'm not so sure would work. Get them and try ..

[Sophia_Bush]

1.3 inlet wont fit port spacing is different remember. His is the newer type 3 stud top and 2 bottom and no the old 4 stuf op and 2 bottom

[jpsaxo]

tbh mate unless its really really cheap you might as well put the money towards the vts conversion?

What were your figures at the wheels? as that is what the RR calculates the fly wheel figure from ;)

[Ry_B]

right I have the oppurtunity to get some cams on the cheap from a mate who is splitting his car. I'm not sure what kind they are but they for 8V VTR.


Now, I have a VTR 4-2-1 manifold already on the 1.1, the exhaust port spacing is identical, the block looks identical. Will the cams fit the 1.1? I have a feeling that I will.


Don't start spouting shit about not getting gains on a 1.1. It was just rolling roaded at 75.8 BHP which is 15.8 BHP above standard.

Obviously I'd get it remapped at same time, how much do you think I would gain?


cheers,
scott

Mate you have an 8V, in which case there is one cam, cam not cams

[Sophia_Bush]

Just a quick question dude even tho you probably give the car mega death I guess it is still alright on petrol?

[dobsd001]

I think you should definately have a go at it mate. sounds like a good idea and well done for staying different...

[jayboy88]

wats the point when its goin to be slow wat ever, theres no point wasting all that money on a remap when you can by a vts lump for 250 quid.

[jayboy88]

Mate you have an 8V, in which case there is one cam, cam not cams

exactley wat i was thinkin

[SNewham]

wats the point when its goin to be slow wat ever, theres no point wasting all that money on a remap when you can by a vts lump for 250 quid.

Money is no issue to me to be honest, I'm just up for a challenge. I'm going to save for a VTS engine though instead of cams. I'll try a VTR inlet manifold though in the mean time as that's something I can pick up cheap.


scott

[jaybiss]

Mate you have an 8V, in which case there is one cam, cam not cams

one camshaft with cams on it i thought

[Barry123]

drop da bomb y0

[GRAHAM2000VTR]

as said well done for being different thats why u get in a magazine and other don't well dont mate

[makaveli144]

I dont have a clue if it will fit tbh, but I think it would be worth the go. Do something different.

[stiffler69]

I have a vtr cam sat on my drive probably a little rusty now but i imagine it has a wilder profile than the 1.1 can if it fits ill recover it and you can have it for free will need a rub down and soak in oil by now though

[redlinerdj]

Any news on this? very interested in doing the same! please get bk to me, thanks.

[benkelsall]

lol nice to bump an old thread

[RustySkull]

I Cammed my 1.1, It's a PH3 Cam reprofiled slightly to fit with 1.1 Valves because the Valves hit the pistons before :)

[TheSmith]

ahh bike kid awsome responce were did you get the cams re profiled really want to cam my 1.1

[RustySkull]

ahh bike kid awsome responce were did you get the cams re profiled really want to cam my 1.1

Talk to Pipercams, I talked them into doing mine :fcuk:

[TheSmith]

hahah nice :)

is there much power increase ,

any idle problams?

and is a standalone ecu needed ?

[RustySkull]

hahah nice :)

is there much power increase ,

any idle problams?

and is a standalone ecu needed ?

Well I haven't bothered mapping my ECU or anything, it's the standard ECU with Standard map, I'm putting a Track Engine in it soon, I only cammed it for fun to be honest but even with the stock setup it feels more powerful and it idles very lumpy which I love but others seem to hate :homme:

Piper said it should add around 20hp if set up right so I'd like to think it added at least 10 haha :fcuk:

[TheSmith]

how much were you cams and shoudl i just email piper and ask about them and find out if they will still do some for me and is your sax a mk1 or mk2?

[RustySkull]

how much were you cams and shoudl i just email piper and ask about them and find out if they will still do some for me and is your sax a mk1 or mk2?

I replied to your PM. And it's MK2 mate :)

[stu-n-shell]

i thought about this ages ago id like to go down a bodied 1.1 route to be different then i think the pred ecu could be adapted to run on a 1.1.

[TheSmith]

i'm going to ring rasp my local car tuning stop tomorrow and get my standard sax dynod and then do what i can to it and see how much power i can achive :)

[RustySkull]

i'm going to ring rasp my local car tuning stop tomorrow and get my standard sax dynod and then do what i can to it and see how much power i can achive :)

Yeh! They should come stock at 65hp :fcuk:

[gouldy87]

i cant believe people are camming 1.1s

this site is officially gay.

if you want to be different, why not build a vts turbo on bodies, as far as im aware that has not been done yet.

not cam a 1.1 to get sub 100 bhp.

massive waste of cash and evreyone will be laughing at you

[SaxSpeed]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

[joehow12]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

what the fuck have you been smoking??

Show me any camshaft that will improve a 1.1 by 20BHP and the thing still be driveable without thousands upon thousands of pounds worth of custom engine work?

[Sophia_Bush]

eye heart joehow he makes me wet

[Toad]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

Just fucking LOL.

[b0t13]

lol this is over 2 years old...

[JamesR]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

If only that was true lmao

A cam that would gain you 20bhp on a 1.1 would be fairly lairy and would definetly need a remap to run right, another £500 or so spent on a 1.1. Just wait and buy a better car is the best answer.

[Mochachino]

Gonna sell my VTR and get a 1.1 now with those sort of gains to be had.

[Ashleyp]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

You couldn't possibly be more retarded if you tried...

[jono83]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :d let me know how it goes

warning epic amounts of fail detected in the vicinity of the above post............

[SaxSpeed]

Confused myself there i meant to put the cam would gain about 20bhp along with a de-cat n ram air, must nt of been payin atention in a world of my own lol

but to be honest if you did all tht to a 1.1 and mibi skimed the head n done the ports, little bit of lightening it would be quite an acheivement to be not far off a vtr if not quicker acceleration just down on torque. plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

and do know what im talking about i tune engines that i have ran in the 125gp brittish superbikes and broke lap records on them and at the end of the day an engines an engine.

i think u should do it just for the pleasure of folk sayin " you got a vtr in that" n you can turn round n go " na u jus got beat by a 1.1" lol

[Toad]

Please stop digging a larger hole. :D

Revving an engine higher does not necessarily produce more BHP output. It depends on how much torque can be achieved at that given point. Maximum BHP will always drop before the limiter is set in a standard road car.

[jono83]

Time to put the spade down.....

[JamesR]

Confused myself there i meant to put the cam would gain about 20bhp along with a de-cat n ram air, must nt of been payin atention in a world of my own lol

but to be honest if you did all tht to a 1.1 and mibi skimed the head n done the ports, little bit of lightening it would be quite an acheivement to be not far off a vtr if not quicker acceleration just down on torque. plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

and do know what im talking about i tune engines that i have ran in the 125gp brittish superbikes and broke lap records on them and at the end of the day an engines an engine.

i think u should do it just for the pleasure of folk sayin " you got a vtr in that" n you can turn round n go " na u jus got beat by a 1.1" lol

I have actually just laughed out loud.

As toad said - Maximum BHP will always drop before the limiter is set in a standard road car.

[Mochachino]

Confused myself there i meant to put the cam would gain about 20bhp along with a de-cat n ram air, must nt of been payin atention in a world of my own lol

but to be honest if you did all tht to a 1.1 and mibi skimed the head n done the ports, little bit of lightening it would be quite an acheivement to be not far off a vtr if not quicker acceleration just down on torque. plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

and do know what im talking about i tune engines that i have ran in the 125gp brittish superbikes and broke lap records on them and at the end of the day an engines an engine.

i think u should do it just for the pleasure of folk sayin " you got a vtr in that" n you can turn round n go " na u jus got beat by a 1.1" lol

LMAO that made me laugh. Are you taking the piss?

[Ashleyp]

Just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for the people this n00b tunes engines for?

ur 1.1 is now sikkk blud

[Bickerton]

Confused myself there i meant to put the cam would gain about 20bhp along with a de-cat n ram air, must nt of been payin atention in a world of my own lol

but to be honest if you did all tht to a 1.1 and mibi skimed the head n done the ports, little bit of lightening it would be quite an acheivement to be not far off a vtr if not quicker acceleration just down on torque. plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

and do know what im talking about i tune engines that i have ran in the 125gp brittish superbikes and broke lap records on them and at the end of the day an engines an engine.

i think u should do it just for the pleasure of folk sayin " you got a vtr in that" n you can turn round n go " na u jus got beat by a 1.1" lol

http://www.cohesivegraphics.com/images/hellno.jpg

[joehow12]

Confused myself there i meant to put the cam would gain about 20bhp along with a de-cat n ram air, must nt of been payin atention in a world of my own lol

but to be honest if you did all tht to a 1.1 and mibi skimed the head n done the ports, little bit of lightening it would be quite an acheivement to be not far off a vtr if not quicker acceleration just down on torque. plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

and do know what im talking about i tune engines that i have ran in the 125gp brittish superbikes and broke lap records on them and at the end of the day an engines an engine.

i think u should do it just for the pleasure of folk sayin " you got a vtr in that" n you can turn round n go " na u jus got beat by a 1.1" lol

mate an increase in Revs does not mean an increase in power.... Cars have peak power that will usually drop off a little before the red line....its called a power band.

An exhaust and "ram air" as you put it will probs get what maybe 2-4 Bhp maybe 5bhp if your lucky from a 1.1. You then still expect a Cam to produce 15BHP.... this really is garbage.

[Toad]

Looking at the bigger picture here chaps...

A 50% increase of fuck all, is still fuck all...

:D

[Steve]

some people on here need to get a grip if he wants to cam a 1.1 just leave him to it, prety shure a 65bhp sax with a good cam(20bhp), de-cat n ram air(10-15bhp), mibi a bit of headwork(5bhp or whatever) n it would rape a vtr, weight to power ratio, and in outright power pluswith the 1.1 box in it it would have pleanty of pick up

only downside is it would be down on bottom end torque on a vtr.....maybe lol

just got to try it and see mate :D let me know how it goes

rofl....

Out right power made me laugh the most.

[Ryan]

this thread is full of fail.

tuning a 1.1 why piss into the wind, it just comes back and gets your leg damp. As for sax speed, tuning tips from a cereal box? Higher RPM wont mean more power if the 'cam' isnt right for the application, the standard cam isnt. Hence why you see on rolling roads the 'peak' is often slightly before the limiter

[Steve]

Just me, or does anyone else feel sorry for the people this n00b tunes engines for?

ur 1.1 is now sikkk blud

sikkk or shit?
Not sure if you put a typo or not.

[joehow12]

thats what i said ryan

[Mardgee]

plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhpl

If you unlock the ecu i believe you get rid of the limiter? If you do that your car should be pretty rapid mate along with the cams and airfilter.

[Ashleyp]

sikkk or shit?
Not sure if you put a typo or not.

was "sikk" as in a piss take

subliminally, i meant shit with a capital S

and lol toad - it'll be worth it when he 'beats that vtr' down the local highstreet on road wars

[Steve]

If you unlock the ecu i believe you get rid of the limiter? If you do that your car should be pretty rapid mate along with the cams and airfilter.

unlocking an ecu doesn't get rid of the limiter.

[Steve]

was "sikk" as in a piss take

subliminally, i meant shit with a capital S

and lol toad - it'll be worth it when he 'beats that vtr' down the local highstreet on road wars

i knew what you meant ;)

Sikkk shit < my new saying for a few days.

[Ryan]

airbox - 10bhp
camshaft - 20bhp
headwork well thats another 15
remap another 400
exhaust 20bhp...

Yep thats a 500bhp 1.1 :D

[Liam_]

Is saxspeed the same guy who posted a thread on how (not) to lower a rear beam? :clapping:

[Ryan]

Is saxspeed the same guy who posted a thread on how (not) to lower a rear beam? :clapping:

the one which was a word for word copy from the max power haynes :cool:

[Sophia_Bush]

wow this thread is making my minge wet

[Ferg]

How dog is Saxp these days.

[joehow12]

fucking lol

[SaxSpeed]

Please stop digging a larger hole. :D

Revving an engine higher does not necessarily produce more BHP output. It depends on how much torque can be achieved at that given point. Maximum BHP will always drop before the limiter is set in a standard road car.

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep

[joehow12]

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep


lol at you, you silly fool. You cannot even type correctly god knows what you are like with mechanical things.

Torque is not just low down power you fool ideally torque and bhp should have a nice steady line following each other upwards.

So your theory mr is that if I remove my rev limited my car will continue to produce higher and higher power figures.

So in theory the point my engine explodes in my 1.1 when im revving the balls of it its making 50000000BHP.

Tell me how long have you been retarded..maybe we can help you

[classicvin]

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep


http://www.littlemischiefs.co.uk/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/I_LOVE_MILK_BIB.jpg

the above is a bib, i suggest you invest in one.

[Toad]

You couldn't teach me anything. Not about cars, engines, life, etc.

[Bickerton]

You couldn't teach me anything. Not about cars, engines, life, etc.

Wheras Fonts and not quitting when behind he could ;)

[SaxSpeed]

lol at you, you silly fool. You cannot even type correctly god knows what you are like with mechanical things.

Torque is not just low down power you fool ideally torque and bhp should have a nice steady line following each other upwards.

So your theory mr is that if I remove my rev limited my car will continue to produce higher and higher power figures.

So in theory the point my engine explodes in my 1.1 when im revving the balls of it its making 50000000BHP.

Tell me how long have you been retarded..maybe we can help you



Torque goes down as bhp increases for a start lol

[stinkycheese]

Im pretty clueless when it comes to mechanics but even I chuckled at this.

[Ashleyp]

FUCKING LOL at trying to justify yourself and in actual fact being even more retarded than in any previous post

this has gone wildly off topic, and in conclusion only a tard would tune a 1.1

init

[Sophia_Bush]

This thread is now -

http://images.sextoysex.com/DJ/DJ0/0270-02-.JPG

smacks you in the face full of fail

[french_baguette]

o rly?

[bushy90]

Lol....

[Toad]

Torque goes down as bhp increases for a start lol

Wrong again.

Is this a wind up?

[Toad]

Wheras Fonts and not quitting when behind he could ;)

:D True...

[Ferg]

This guy is genuinely confusing his own opinion. With fact!

[SaxSpeed]

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

a car reving at 4k is not got as much bhp as when its at 6k, so einsteins u sayin its gona go down if you back it off to 7.5k?

[stinkycheese]

Someone post a RR graph please

[JamesR]

When will this end, i don't often laugh at things on here but i continue to chuckle at this thread.

[Ashleyp]

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

a car reving at 4k is not got as much bhp as when its at 6k, so einsteins u sayin its gona go down if you back it off to 7.5k?

Should have gone to school you stupid / deluded rubout

[Peter_D]

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep


What a fucking spastic

[Toad]

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

a car reving at 4k is not got as much bhp as when its at 6k, so einsteins u sayin its gona go down if you back it off to 7.5k?

Depends purely on the engine itself. They don't go on producing power forever in the RPM range.

[Sophia_Bush]

Should have gone to school you stupid / deluded rubout

more please ash!

[Ryan]

Let me make this easy for you.

INCREASING THE REV LIMIT WILL NOT GIVE YOU MORE POWER IF THE CAM PROFILE IS MAKING PEAK POWER BELOW THE LIMIT ALLREADY

[Ashleyp]

more please ash!

I'm actually shocked that this scrub continues to argue with half of the forum...

can he not see how "special" he is

[stinkycheese]

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction :D

[Ashleyp]

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction :D

he can't even spell

i doubt he can understand a graph lol.

couldnt have failed more if he tried

[SaxSpeed]

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-after(1).jpg

[Ryan]

Someone just show him a RR graph, I want to hear his reaction :D

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/itsafastworld85/DSCF4003.jpg

Incase the big line dropping off isnt that clear :panic:

[Mardgee]

well it wouldnt be a standerd road car would it Doi!!!
like i said back off the limiter will increase the break horsepower coz it cn rev free`er and higher into the "powerband" u tw*t

if you hit the limiter at 6 n a half then obvuisly the cars wanting to pull more, there for backing of the limiter will let it rev and pull more

Torque is bottom end power and as you accelerate it drops as the bhp increases.

okay then Considering all of yous are "Citroen Saxo Tuning Engineers" if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder, and before someone says its not a bottom end mod... well it makes the bottom end work alot harder

and as for acheiving the beast bhp before its peak point thats most likely down to your engine air fuel mix if its backing of power before maximum revs then its geting to much (probably down to a stupid airfilter) and you would need to lean it off as the engine will be runing to ritch.

And by the way you had better tell all the folk that race saxo 1600s to put there limiters back on there cars, afterall some random says it dnt make a diff :|

so before you go shouting ur mouths of how bout u actualy know what ur talkin bout instead of all leaving coments like sheep


I love you. Seriously made my day. By any chance do you work for halfords or Kwick fit?

[Ryan]

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-after(1).jpg

changing the MAP itself is totally different to just increasing the rev limiter, would you like to show me where the 'rpm' is on those graphs?

Notice that they BOTH tail off? or is that missed by you?

[JamesR]

Before - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-before(1).jpg

After - http://www.ecu-remapping-service.com/images/BPM-after(1).jpg

Sorry mate, i apologise on behalf of the members of this forum and myself for any distress we may have caused you, the two above links prove us all wrong. You are infact correct and we are all deaply sorry for doubting you, you are a automotive and tuning genious. NOT

[Bickerton]

Someone post a RR graph please

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/taximan19/DSC04727.jpg

[SaxSpeed]

Purpose

The rev limiter on a car is there to prevent over-reving, which will destroy the engine. Most gasoline cars designed for street use have a limiter somewhere around 6000-7000 RPM. In some cases, being able to rev the engine higher will yield slightly better performance, often at the cost of more engine wear.

When to remove the rev limiter
You should only worry about raising the rev limiter once you've done substantial work to the engine. My personal advice would be to have at least the full exhaust upgraded (including the exhaust manifold and downpipe), a sport camshaft and some way to get more fuel to the engine.
Once you install a sport camshaft you will want to raise the rev limiter so you can use the power the camshaft makes above 6000 RPM

found tht :D

[SaxSpeed]

changing the MAP itself is totally different to just increasing the rev limiter, would you like to show me where the 'rpm' is on those graphs?

Notice that they BOTH tail off? or is that missed by you?

they tail off because you come off the power :L fool

[Ashleyp]

Purpose

The rev limiter on a car is there to prevent over-reving, which will destroy the engine. Most gasoline cars designed for street use have a limiter somewhere around 6000-7000 RPM. In some cases, being able to rev the engine higher will yield slightly better performance, often at the cost of more engine wear.

When to remove the rev limiter
You should only worry about raising the rev limiter once you've done substantial work to the engine. My personal advice would be to have at least the full exhaust upgraded (including the exhaust manifold and downpipe), a sport camshaft and some way to get more fuel to the engine.
Once you install a sport camshaft you will want to raise the rev limiter so you can use the power the camshaft makes above 6000 RPM

found tht :D

please explain why cars have peak power / torque which is lower than the rev limiter...

you google searching scrub

[Ryan]

so you tune engines yet copy and paste from google?

As we keep saying, if the cam profile is making peak rpm at say 5.5k what good is an 8k limit and how is the car going to gain extra power after it has peaked at 5.5k? please explain ;)

[SaxSpeed]

if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder

So ur all sayin thats wrong :L

[Ryan]

they tail off because you come off the power :L fool

The reason people come off the power is because the engines power has stopped going up hence the PEAK...

lol

[SaxSpeed]

so you tune engines yet copy and paste from google?

As we keep saying, if the cam profile is making peak rpm at say 5.5k what good is an 8k limit and how is the car going to gain extra power after it has peaked at 5.5k? please explain ;)


you would run a higher rpm peak cam :D

[Ryan]

if the limiter of a vtr was at 3k rpm it wouldnt be 100bhp, it would be less, alot less,
backing off the limiter runs the engine closer to niping up as most internal botom end mods do but acheiving more bhp as the engines having to work harder for instance 1500 rpm harder

So ur all sayin thats wrong :L

But the limiter isnt 3k is it, its above where the PEAK power is allready.

Hence why increasing the limiter on THIS engine to say 8k wont yield extra power as you have allready peaked.

Its like sex, once you have come performance goes down ;)

[Sophia_Bush]

ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ryan]

you would run a higher rpm peak cam :D

Which is different to simply just increasing the RPM of the limiter isnt it :homme:

What happens if you change the cam to one that peaks at 7k would you run 10k limit? so the extra 3k can gain all this power?

[Liam_]

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

We certainly will... when it goes boom and pisses oil all over the shop.

Here's a suggestion: get your 1.1 on the dual carriageway and up to a steady cruise. Then drop it back into 1st gear - following your logic, all will be gravy as cars don't need rev limiters... right? :)

[SaxSpeed]

But the limiter isnt 3k is it, its above where the PEAK power is allready.

Hence why increasing the limiter on THIS engine to say 8k wont yield extra power as you have allready peaked.

Its like sex, once you have come performance goes down ;)

is this whole post not about changing the cam?
so it wouldnt be a standerd engine, a higher peak power cam along with the limiter backed off will increase bhp

[SaxSpeed]

We certainly will... when it goes boom and pisses oil all over the shop.

Here's a suggestion: get your 1.1 on the dual carriageway and up to a steady cruise. Then drop it back into 1st gear - following your logic, all will be gravy as cars don't need rev limiters... right? :)

Back off the limiter not take it away u mug

[c20xejay]

cammed 1.1 wins end of..

[Ryan]

is this whole post not about changing the cam?
so it wouldnt be a standerd engine, a higher peak power cam along with the limiter backed off will increase bhp

but you keep posting that the rev limit is whats limiting the power, when its not its the cam profile.

Not all cam profiles are that wild to even justify a higher RPM from the engine, surely as a tuner you would know that cam profles are different and that every set up will be different according to this and the mapping :geek:

[SaxSpeed]

plus it wouldnt go into 1st gear at that speed anyway :S

[Peter_D]

Saxspeed, you don't have a clue what you're on about, you can't even word things convincingly.. fuck off and stop wasting everyones time

[Liam_]

Back off the limiter not take it away u mug

That's not what you said...

ok then gt a car dyno ran standerd then again without a limiter, weel c whos rite then yer?

plus it wouldnt go into 1st gear at that speed anyway :S

I beg to differ. ;)

[Bickerton]

plus it wouldnt go into 1st gear at that speed anyway :S

Why not?

[SaxSpeed]

but you keep posting that the rev limit is whats limiting the power, when its not its the cam profile.

Not all cam profiles are that wild to even justify a higher RPM from the engine, surely as a tuner you would know that cam profles are different and that every set up will be different according to this and the mapping :geek:

no what im saying is once fitted a diff cam, eg. higher peak power cam, backing off the limiter u will gain more bhp than a 6000rpm peak power cam

[Ryan]

no what im saying is once fitted a diff cam, eg. higher peak power cam, backing off the limiter u will gain more bhp than a 6000rpm peak power cam

thats again dependant on the cam profile though and not simply bunging the limit higher.

:cool:

[c20xejay]

omg too confusing i think someone has cammed your brain with a load of babble saxspeed

[SaxSpeed]

Why not?

You wana prove to me that you can put ur car into 1st gear at cruising Dual Carageway speed?

[Ryan]

plus if you can get the ecu limiter removed or backed off a higher singing engine will preduce more revs obvuisly increasing bhp

no what im saying is once fitted a diff cam, eg. higher peak power cam, backing off the limiter u will gain more bhp than a 6000rpm peak power cam

:wall::wall:

[Liam_]

thats again dependant on the cam profile though and not simply bunging the limit higher.

:cool:

Bingo. I fitted a Kent cam to my VTR and it still made peak power well before the limiter.

I wonder what the standard valve springs in a 1.1 look like at 9k revs. :D

[SaxSpeed]

:wall::wall:

The whole post is about puting a diff cam in a 1.1 so why would i say it every single time??????????????

[Ryan]

The whole post is about puting a diff cam in a 1.1 so why would i say it every single time??????????????

As we keep saying not all cams require a higher rev limit you mong!

[SaxSpeed]

im not saying they do you fuckin retard, im saying if you did

[Ryan]

im not saying they do you fuckin retard, im saying if you did

Do you want me to do a poll over whos posts in this thread are more retarded? :cool:

you CLEARLY state that a higher singing engine will give more power, when it wont. lol

[c20xejay]

Do you want me to do a poll over whos posts in this thread are more retarded? :cool:

:y:yes

[JamesR]

Do you want me to do a poll over whos posts in this thread are more retarded? :cool:

you CLEARLY state that a higher singing engine will give more power, when it wont. lol

Definetly.

[SaxSpeed]

Canny b fucked wi u we english wanks heres a we joke for you ;)

Where in scotland is there more English than scots

[SaxSpeed]

Bannockburn Where we buried all you we english scum in 1314 haha

[stinkycheese]

Saxpeed; if you agree that peak power will be made well before limiter, what is the advantage of raising it?

[Ryan]

im not saying they do you fuckin retard, im saying if you did

Canny b fucked wi u we english wanks heres a we joke for you ;)



I think this is a great way to end.