Rebuild on a VTS Engine...

[Luke]

Evening All,

Could of be getting a VTS as a track car within a few months and I was wondering if you could provide me with some information with regards to an engine rebuild?

The car itself as 106k on it I think, it's about 7 year old and has been serviced regularly so I'm wondering if you any of you could answer these?

- What mileage would you rebuild the engine?

- What needs changing/replacing during a rebuild?

- Anything else you would change?

- Recommendations/Information I may need?

Like I said, the car has been serviced when it should been, never been ragged much etc.

Thanks,

Luke

[Barry123]

if it aint broke... dont fix it

I wouldnt rebuild unless its fucked and/or underpowered.

I wouldnt use mikes old car as a track car though, get something shite.

[hesslevtr]

id do it asap

depends how far you want togo with it im guessing u wont be leaving it standard

[Luke]

It isn't Mike's car anyway Ad.

I'd rather go with an older MK1 and totally strip it.

[jpsaxo]

PM me if you decide to rebuild mate...

[williamsvts]

piston rings
rehone bores
big end bearings
main bearings
steel rods
arp rod bolts
oil pump
water pump
timing belt kit
lifters
valve stem oil seals
cam oil seals
oil gaskets/seals on head

and when its apart check the crank journal sizes bore diameters and svalve spring lengths etc.

[Luke]

How much do I expect to pay?

[rushy_23]

A proper engine rebuild like that spec above about sounds pricey..

Still would be awesome Luke!

[williamsvts]

it doesnt really cost that much for the parts, its paying for the labour that would be expensive. i would have a bash yourslef though. the engines arent really that complicated.

[Liam_]

Is it not worth going for foged internals if you're taking the plunge and rebuilding it?

[williamsvts]

thast what the steel rods are. pistons depends on the spec of the rest of the engine.

[Ryan]

Is it not worth going for foged internals if you're taking the plunge and rebuilding it?

not really, not if you are building it to normal spec the stress on the engine wont require the extra strength that comes from forged parts.

[Luke]

Thanks for information so far.

OK, so I lied last night. I'm looking at buying Mikes car yeah, only because I want either a track car or fun car to play about with etc and that's good enough for what I want to spend.

[Ryan]

buy it, rip the gay 'suki' sticker off it and rape it.

[Steve]

dont rebuild it till it starts to fuck. get some newmans cams in there when you do go to rebuild it.

[Luke]

buy it, rip the gay 'suki' sticker off it and rape it.

Don't let Mike read that...!

[Ryan]

Don't let Mike read that...!

ive allready informed him that the names he gives his cars are :homme: ;)

[Karl]

buy it, rip the gay 'suki' sticker off it and rape it.

/totallyagree.

[Luke]

dont rebuild it till it starts to fuck. get some newmans cams in there when you do go to rebuild it.

I mean if it's been serviced right etc, how long before you think it will need anything doing? Roughly?

I'm OK to thrash it now and again despite the mileage?

[Ryan]

the whole 'milage' thing is shit on saxos, a high milage car can be better than a low milage car, long journeys are better for engines than 5min pit stops.

[Luke]

Well as most of you will know, when Mike goes driving 99% of the time it's a long journey - like upto Scotland, Yorkshire, Bristol or even down to Brighton is a 40 mile round trip so chances are it's better than a 106k town driven car yeah?

I just worry as obviously Saxo's ain't brilliant cars, but I want to know that the engine is going to be reliable for the odd foot down time etc and doesn't mind being ragged ;)

[Steve]

I mean if it's been serviced right etc, how long before you think it will need anything doing? Roughly?

I'm OK to thrash it now and again despite the mileage?

be fine aslong as you service it right. cant see anything going wrong on it at all to be honest.......

[Steve]

Well as most of you will know, when Mike goes driving 99% of the time it's a long journey - like upto Scotland, Yorkshire, Bristol or even down to Brighton is a 40 mile round trip so chances are it's better than a 106k town driven car yeah?

I just worry as obviously Saxo's ain't brilliant cars, but I want to know that the engine is going to be reliable for the odd foot down time etc and doesn't mind being ragged ;)

motorway miles better than town...... it looks a well lookd after car and my fav colour get it.

[Ryan]

the only thing that isnt looked after is the area he put that gay sticker :P

[Luke]

Cheers Steve.

Yeah, I'll get it serviced when it should be etc and I'm sure it will be fine. I drove it a few months back when it just went over 100k, still pulled extremely well considering mileage etc.

A full system needs to be added though.

[Steve]

Cheers Steve.

Yeah, I'll get it serviced when it should be etc and I'm sure it will be fine. I drove it a few months back when it just went over 100k, still pulled extremely well considering mileage etc.

A full system needs to be added though.

if its goign to be a track car just dont drive it like you dont care give it some respect and it will return the favour (strong beliefs) sure it will be fine, even stick it into a garage at extra cost to give it a good looking over........ then every so often give it a service youself doesnt matter about service history etc. when the engine goes it goes either repair it or source (easy) a newer engine which is cheaper than a rebuild imo

only worth rebuilding if going to have wild cams and throttle bodies.
and careful with the gearbox.

[Steve]

the only thing that isnt looked after is the area he put that gay sticker :P

i agee about that sticker that has to go.:homme:

[Barry123]

I mean if it's been serviced right etc, how long before you think it will need anything doing? Roughly?

I'm OK to thrash it now and again despite the mileage?

mileage doesnt mean shit.

jeeezzzz

[Steve]

mileage doesnt mean shit.

jeeezzzz

jeeezzzzzz louise! ;) little ryhm for your asss

[williamsvts]

if its goign to be a track car just dont drive it like you dont care give it some respect and it will return the favour (strong beliefs) sure it will be fine, even stick it into a garage at extra cost to give it a good looking over........ then every so often give it a service youself doesnt matter about service history etc. when the engine goes it goes either repair it or source (easy) a newer engine which is cheaper than a rebuild imo

only worth rebuilding if going to have wild cams and throttle bodies.
and careful with the gearbox.

when you rebuild an engine you know your going to have a mint engine though, buying 2nd hand you dont really know what your getting.

[Barry123]

i'll give you a rhyme


'yo wonderin queue in a club wondering whats going on
tryin' so hard to release ma colon

shittin' in the club. shittin' in the club
shittin' in the club. shittin' in the club.
b0'

[Steve]

when you rebuild an engine you know your going to have a mint engine though, buying 2nd hand you dont really know what your getting.

true but still cheaper :homme:
depends on the source really. i wouldnt get it from a scrappies. a genuine rear end crashed car with one old careful owner though ;)

[Steve]

i'll give you a rhyme


'yo wonderin queue in a club wondering whats going on
tryin' so hard to release ma colon

shittin' in the club. shittin' in the club
shittin' in the club. shittin' in the club.
b0'

thats 5 door attitude for you :p

[Luke]

I wouldn't source a second hand engine simply because you don't know it's history etc, so rebuild would be the better answer and I'd drop cams in at the same time I suppose.

As for tracking it well...I'm tempted to strip it, use it for the odd track day but then use it as a fun weekend car kind of thing.

[williamsvts]

true but still cheaper :homme:
depends on the source really. i wouldnt get it from a scrappies. a genuine rear end crashed car with one old careful owner though ;)

can get th rebuild parts for a few hundered quid. how do you know who used to drive it though? somenes 45 yr old mother may have been registered keeper but her 17 yr old son could have thrashed the tits off it. i would rebuild rather than use an old engine.

[Barry123]

I wouldn't source a second hand engine simply because you don't know it's history etc, so rebuild would be the better answer and I'd drop cams in at the same time I suppose.

As for tracking it well...I'm tempted to strip it, use it for the odd track day but then use it as a fun weekend car kind of thing.

but you knows mike car...


100k doesnt mean rebuild, or its fucked or anything.

enguine are abukilts otio last 500k piss.

[Luke]

Like I say, I know it's history since 51k and I know it's got a Full Service History and we ALL know Mike doesn't drive like a chav, even though he acts like one ;)

Just hope I can get the monies now.

[willsy]

Got to agree with Mr 5 Door, milage is nothing to worry about as long as its been serviced regularly and not bollocked from cold itll keep going for at least double the distance that its on now.

Too many people worry about milage, someone the other day was panicking about 50k :homme:

Mike's cars got to be one of the most well looked after cars around, im sure you'll have no problems.

Buy it now :)

[Luke]

Thanks Matt, need to spread some love first it says :).

Yeah suppose it will good then for another 100k without any problems, least Mike knows I will look after her and wants me to have her so he can still see her.

[Barry123]

willsy. me you... :kiss:

[Barry123]

ps im pissed and fancy sexy owmen only.

[williamsvts]

when i sold my vts it was in MINT condition, the lad that bought it has totally fucked it, suspension knocks like fuck, cracked the manifold, and crashed it!!! what a c*%t after all the time and money i put into it.

[Luke]

Is it wrote off now Williams?

Adsayer...go out and find a woman instead of been on here.

[Barry123]

when i sold my vts it was in MINT condition, the lad that bought it has totally fucked it, suspension knocks like fuck, cracked the manifold, and crashed it!!! what a c*%t after all the time and money i put into it.

mate your car was mint. such a shochjer that some div would fuck it up.


saxo drivers :err:

[williamsvts]

its not wrote off, but nowhere near like it used to be. has front bumper hanging off and bent bonnet. im gutted about it :(

[Luke]

Gutted for you mate.

I thought you still had it...

[williamsvts]

nope.
got this

<

[adamsax]

Do all the above and keep the current engine fresh and well looked after....

AND

At the same time do a Willsy and get hold of a nice new(er) engine and go crazy on it. Then it'll be an on-going project with the VTS still in use throughout.

It's another route anyway :y:

[Luke]

Wish I could afford a another engine Ads, but I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.

Ain't been to bed yet, been up since 7am yesterday.

[RedB]

Hello mate, get some sleep you looney lol :p

I know little Suki well mate and have seen the history
Well serviced like mine through and through and apart from a few little things atm she is mint

Dont re-build until its needed mate, also gives you a chance to save some money for the time but it wont be cheap obviously more depending on parts you go for and labour...

Strip her, cage and go full-on on the performance if you are serious bud id expect about 2-3k for some serious performance mods like manifold, cams, remap, throttle bodies, cage etc :)

[jaybiss]

rag it till it goes pop, then rebuild it

if its a weekend toy theres no need for back seats or carpets or headlining or door cards

see where this is going? strip it to fuck like bunneys on ssc ;) (no dash ftw)

[Luke]

Hello mate, get some sleep you looney lol :p

I know little Suki well mate and have seen the history
Well serviced like mine through and through and apart from a few little things atm she is mint

Dont re-build until its needed mate, also gives you a chance to save some money for the time but it wont be cheap obviously more depending on parts you go for and labour...

Strip her, cage and go full-on on the performance if you are serious bud id expect about 2-3k for some serious performance mods like manifold, cams, remap, throttle bodies, cage etc :)

Cheers mate.

Only had 4 hours sleep since Thursday night, pretty shattered like. I'm going to look into further, when/if I get the car as it's subject to me getting money.
rag it till it goes pop, then rebuild it

if its a weekend toy theres no need for back seats or carpets or headlining or door cards

see where this is going? strip it to fuck like bunneys on ssc ;) (no dash ftw)

It would be stripped anyway mate ;)

[Ryan]

see where this is going? strip it to fuck like bunneys on ssc ;) (no dash ftw)

bunnys is a fat bastard compaired to some of ours ;) ;)

[RedB]

bunnys is a fat bastard compaired to some of ours ;) ;)

Did Bunny make an FC feature in the last months mag?

Something like 150kgs has been stripped :fcuk:
Saxo that weighs as much as a bag of air has 1/6 of its weight removed
= light as foooook

Snewham's is stripped bare and mine only has 2 seats in it and a lightweight sound system so isnt exactly overweight ;)

[Ryan]

Did Bunny make an FC feature in the last months mag?

Something like 150kgs has been stripped :fcuk:
Saxo that weighs as much as a bag of air has 1/6 of its weight removed
= light as foooook

Snewham's is stripped and mine only has 2 seats in it and a lightweight sound system so isnt exactly overweight ;)

donno dont read mags.

my target is 750kg (might mean taking cage out lol) with 157.2bhp = nice bhp per tonne.

[RedB]

Cheers mate.

Only had 4 hours sleep since Thursday night, pretty shattered like. I'm going to look into further, when/if I get the car as it's subject to me getting money.


It would be stripped anyway mate ;)

No worries fella

Shes already got the zorst and is set up well, begging for a SuperSprint manifold, cams and a re-map really ;)

Back seats removed and 2 buckets with harnesses
Components as your sound system, keep the same alloys on there atm

Move on to mods like...
P+P throttle body
Bigger brakes + braided brake lines etc

Are you thinking about running her on bodies bud?

[RedB]

donno dont read mags.

my target is 750kg (might mean taking cage out lol) with 157.2bhp = nice bhp per tonne.

You know Bunny tho yeah?

Reading material for the throne etc :homme:

750kg - he'd taken the engine cover off and stripped the engine bay

Nothing left of panels, roof lining or carpet etc!

I would but mine is a daily runner atm :A:

[Ryan]

i know who bunney is, sscer, old skool, green and gold vts.

my current hit list is ive ground the frame out of anything that doesnt need one :P

mine has no dash either, looms getting hacked to fuck, same shit but im gonna go a bit more hardcore :P

[RedB]

i know who bunney is, sscer, old skool, green and gold vts.

my current hit list is ive ground the frame out of anything that doesnt need one :P

mine has no dash either, looms getting hacked to fuck, same shit but im gonna go a bit more hardcore :P

Pure nuts...

Love it :A:

What else is getting hacked mate?

[Ryan]

Pure nuts...

Love it :A:

What else is getting hacked mate?

anything that gets in the way of my grinder.

bumpers wont be staying fat bastard size either lol

[RedB]

Hahaha :clapping:

Im going to get gazzas car so i can park it in front of your grinder

[Ryan]

my grinding skills are immense!

[RedB]

Good stuff

Stop spamming now :p

[jpsaxo]

Bill's is crazy Ry, aim towards that...

[Ryan]

Bill's is crazy Ry, aim towards that...

im aiming to be worse than lawrence.

[Karl]

wtf, Ryan your actually gonna cut bits outta/off the bumper to reduce weight!?!?!?

[Yates]

ryan would chop of his own dick just to save weight

Luke - if its just going to be a toy why rebuild it? pointless leave it til the engine goes, but if you look after the engine then theres no reason it should go

[leeroybrown]

wtf, Ryan your actually gonna cut bits outta/off the bumper to reduce weight!?!?!?

He needs to so he can actually go fast :homme:

[Luke]

I didn't know if there a set mileage you should rebuild an engine, like for piece of mind etc but obviously that isn't the case.

Seeing though it's a toy for the weekend etc, I'll just leave it as it might take a few years even to reach 150k etc.

[leeroybrown]

Ballls to the rebuilding, my old gti engine had 120k been ran on nos and ragged by me, it was only the weather that let it down..... never missed a beat

VTS engine is pretty good, mileage is nothing these days as long as its been loooked after

[Luke]

Cheers Lee.

Got a new motor yet?

[leeroybrown]

Very soon mate very soon!

[Japman]

Very soon mate very soon!

Lies..............keep clio i love it

[leeroybrown]

No lies mate

Its time for a change (again)

So its going mate....sorry

[Japman]

sell it to me,for cheap ;)

i will love you forever

[jpsaxo]

im aiming to be worse than lawrence.

Just case anyone doesnt know Bills car a couple of pics...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/Photo-0319-1.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/Photo-0320-1.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/Photo-0322-1.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/Photo-0321-1.jpg

I think its fair to say his is insane....

[leeroybrown]

Is that BillVts?

[Japman]

thats propa slagged

[Luke]

Love that car.

[jpsaxo]

Is that BillVts?

Yup, i'm hopfuly gonna get chance to go see him again soon,

Thing is its very tidy as well, no half jobs, been done properly :)

[RedB]

Thats got to be the lightest saxo ever, how quick is it/figures?

[Ryan]

He needs to so he can actually go fast :homme:

i really cant wait to see your face as i go round the outside of you ;)

[Ryan]

ryan would chop of his own dick just to save weight



it would save alot of weight aiii!!

[leeroybrown]

i really cant wait to see your face as i go round the outside of you


Haha what makes you think you will get closer enough

[Ryan]

Haha what makes you think you will get closer enough

i know you drive like a girl ;)

[leeroybrown]

Never see it boy!!!

Propers will as i will not have the clio then

[MaRiO89]

As has been said mileage is nothing..

My 1400 is on 122k, has a full Citroen service history upto 70k then i have serviced it myself ever since..I have done a couple of trackdays and it never let me down, i have never had probs with the engine itself..

Aslong as good oil is used and its allowed to warm up you can rant it all day long..

Still pulls like it should, will play with VTR's so its all good..

I will admit its quite tappy and stuff but runs fine and it does quite abit of stop start too..

I'm hoping to get 180k atleast out of it..:y:

[Barry123]

you'll get it easy no doubt. I still cant get my head around the fact people shit themselves over 100k, there was a lad who was filling his pants over the fact his car had done 50k. tit.

[Ryan]

you'll get it easy no doubt. I still cant get my head around the fact people shit themselves over 100k, there was a lad who was filling his pants over the fact his car had done 50k. tit.

lol 50K FUCK no time for the scrap yard!!

[Barry123]

man I dont know why he didnt sell it at 30k. I mean, it will have done a lap around the earth by that point :panic: :panic: :panic:

madness!!!!


dicks.

[MaRiO89]

you'll get it easy no doubt. I still cant get my head around the fact people shit themselves over 100k, there was a lad who was filling his pants over the fact his car had done 50k. tit.

Well i hope so anyway..:d

50k! Its only just run in..lol

[Ryan]

ah you know my opinions on the amount of shite myths on milage.

aswell as the myth that leaving your car to idle is great for it :P

[Barry123]

50k! Its only just run in..lol

my dad says that all the time. He used to be part of a team that designed engines, so im not sure if he's joking or being serious.

probably serious.

[Ryan]

your dad designed engines and he let you buy a diesel?? :P

[MaRiO89]

my dad says that all the time. He used to be part of a team that designed engines, so im not sure if he's joking or being serious.

probably serious.

Lets assume he's being serious..:P

[Barry123]

diesel engine designer for marine and those massive quarry lorry things (all diesel). he only did it for a few years then moved on up.

[Japman]

up to what adam

[Barry123]

european technical support manager or something, i never really asked.


but was always in moscow... :err:

lol

he's retired now though

[williamsvts]

southerners drive like girls...........................

[MaRiO89]

I dont..;)

[Ryan]

southerners drive like girls...........................

is that why your old car has been trashed by a northerner ;)

[williamsvts]

lol, yeah :P

[Yates]

I dont..;)

you drive like a cunt.

[Ryan]

you drive like a cunt.

you just are a cunt.

[Luke]

Might aswell lock this now.

Got the answers I need.

Ta.

[Ryan]

done..