best first engine mod for bhp?? induction or exhaust system

[JCs_VTR]

Hey just bought a VTR last week luv it and now want to mod it increase power etc best first mod induction kit (sealed) or any paticular make that works best (pipercross,K&N) or maby a full exhaust system Cam soz i dont knw which one first any ideas :y:

[AlexB]

either really mate
they both will gain around the same

personally id go exhaust first for the noise lol

[JCs_VTR]

Yea i'll do that full exhaust sytem any ideas on company or make? I luv the noise will it be a 10bhp ish gain or less

[johnnyg_vts]

personally id go exhaust first for the noise lol

lol, agreed:y:

[AlexB]

theres a few you can go for either supersprint piper magnex or ashley are about the best

depends piper and ashley are pretty loud
magnex make a nice note
supersprint rasp

or you can mix and match them (i run a supersprint center an a piper backbox)
youll probably gain about 4 tbh
with a mani ect and induction your looking at 10ish

[JCs_VTR]

kk thanks i'll probably go for the better note any paticular dealer to buy from (demontweeks) or the company themselves?

[JCs_VTR]

lol how can i give good rep? for the helpful info ;)

[Andy_OZ]

scorpion are the best value for money, i noticed a bit more low end power, and it sounds nice and deep without being too 'chavy!'.

but in order to get the most out of an exhaust upgrade you need a manifold and decat.

but i would always recommend scorpion to anyone.

[KamRacing]

increasing power is all about first looking for bottlenecks and getting rid of them..

your first.. the manifold

[JCs_VTR]

where are the bottlenecks in the engine and hwo do u rid them?

[JCs_VTR]

thanks for the scorpian recomend i'll look into it yea i dont want to be too chavy im more about power than looks n noise

[JCs_VTR]

maby the noise has too be good

[KamRacing]

where are the bottlenecks in the engine and hwo do u rid them?

The manifold on the VTR is quite restrictive.. I presume to make a bigger difference between that and the VTS.

The get rid of that restriction get an aftermarket manifold

With cams you can only fit mild cams before the inlet manifold starts to hold you back is another example of a restriction.

can get around that too by robbing parts off the rallye

[JCs_VTR]

kk i see so should i get a manifold 1st before i do anything else do Kam racing do sweet manifolds if so prices and i'll be interested

[Jimmy-Boy]

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen-saxo-1/exhaust-20/manifold-38/

[KamRacing]

and the saxperience discounted ones are on here

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/club-discounts-63/saxperience-64/

[JCs_VTR]

:y: thanks, do you have to be a premium member to get the discounts?

[JCs_VTR]

so a 4-2-1 manifold would be good but I want the maximum power gain possible so a 4-1 is better am I right or should i get the 4-2-1

[KamRacing]

you can use the discount.

4-1 won't nessesarily give you better gains that the 4-2-1. Raceland gives good gains everywhere!

[JCs_VTR]

Thats allright cos the 4-2-1 is alot cheaper aswell thanks for the help

[OLLYVTS]

I would go with a raceland mainfold and magnex exhaust system and a good air filter like a bmc or the raceland one with the green filter.Then you can think about cams after you have got breathing mobs done.

[JCs_VTR]

Yea i like the sound of that setup how much power gain would i be looking at if I had all of those 20%+ or less ie +20bhp or more like 10-15bhp

thanks for the much need advice :y:

[Elliot17]

alright jonny! with all those mods (im guessing ur including cam) you should have just over 20hp more, that would b sweet! im jealous of u and ur money! AND u can save more by fitting it at the garage! u better buy some stuff soon i want to see/hear ur car at its best!

[Ashleyp]

alright jonny! with all those mods (im guessing ur including cam) you should have just over 20hp more, that would b sweet! im jealous of u and ur money! AND u can save more by fitting it at the garage! u better buy some stuff soon i want to see/hear ur car at its best!

he wants to bum you tbh :homme:

suck up ftl lol

[Elliot17]

dude hes one of my best mates, we went to school together
sorry to disappoint

[Ashleyp]

dude hes one of my best mates, we went to school together
sorry to disappoint

lol i guessed. dont worry i was joking.. just having a bit of banter :)

[Elliot17]

ye i know mate, i wanted to chuck in a tongue out smiley but didnt know how lol, so thought **** it and just posted!

[Ashleyp]

ye i know mate, i wanted to chuck in a tongue out smiley but didnt know how lol, so thought **** it and just posted!

lol.. when your typing under the box your typing in, there should be something which says "go advanced" click that, and smileys at the touch of a button :P

[Elliot17]

woop :clapping: :fcuk:

[AaronSimmons]

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/club-discounts-63/106-owners-65/raceland-4-2-1-exhaust-manifold-for-8v-saxo-47.html?zenid=477f98ad87443008a9d19af9345e91f0 is the best :d

[Mark51]

JC and Elliot - can you please NOT use text talk on the forum. It makes it hard for people to read, especially the forgien members.

manifold wise, the raceland manifold has been seen to give good gains for the money but if you have a mk2 block then you will need to relocate the oil filter (have a look at the guide in the Performance sticky at the top of the Performance section). if you dont want to relocate the oil filter then your looking at getting a Supersprint and GMC manifold really but thy are roughly about £100 more than the raceland one

[Elliot17]

I didnt realise i was??

[Elliot17]

sorry in my first message I did! Wont be happening again!

[Fuller_VTR]

ive a magnex full system and im getting janspeed mani!! gd luck on the project m8!!

[JCs_VTR]

JC and Elliot - can you please NOT use text talk on the forum. It makes it hard for people to read, especially the forgien members.

manifold wise, the raceland manifold has been seen to give good gains for the money but if you have a mk2 block then you will need to relocate the oil filter (have a look at the guide in the Performance sticky at the top of the Performance section). if you dont want to relocate the oil filter then your looking at getting a Supersprint and GMC manifold really but thy are roughly about £100 more than the raceland one


sorry mark it will not happen again anbd thanks for the advice sorry about being noobish here how can I tell if my VTR is a MK1 or MK2 what do these stand for all I know is that its 02 reg and its a VTR and I will probably get the raceland manifold cheers :y:

[s3tre2003]

if its an 02 plate mate.. it will be a mk2

[JCs_VTR]

cheers I just had no idea and was like wondering what everyone was going on about but hey now I know thanks

[stingray1987]

you can use the discount.

4-1 won't nessesarily give you better gains that the 4-2-1. Raceland gives good gains everywhere!


i also need a new manifold so think im going go dwn this route but on the website it doesnt list a 1.6 vtr it says up to 1.4 8v then 16v????

would i also be able use the discount please as i need one :) lol got a hole in my stdandard minifold. well cat really.

can u also buy all the parts needed to put a raceland 4-2-1 on a mk 2 vtr from kam racing????????

sorry but in but i need one quick as me hole is getting bigger