is it possible to get 0-60 in 7 seconds in a VTR?

[posi_saxo]

i just wondered if its possible to take a VTR and get its 0-60mph in around 7 seconds without spending a crazy amount of money! at the moment my vtr is fairly standard, except it has a BMC air filter. cheers!

[Sophia_Bush]

what do they do it in as standard? VTS does it in that near enough so you need a few quid, dunno how much diff the usual stuff would make a S1 rallye box but I dont think it will do that unless you had tbs, short box or boost

[chris205]

the cheapest way you can get your vtr to get that quick would be to drop a vts lump in with some breathing mods

[makaveli144]

the cheapest way you can get your vtr to get that quick would be to drop a vts lump in with some breathing mods

you would also need the VTS box as it is shorter than the R.

[chris205]

you would also need the VTS box as it is shorter than the R.

sorry lump + box ;)

[Sophia_Bush]

S Lump + 1.4 XSi box ftw!! best combo for short box and reasonable motorway driving

[DJjuveVTS]

1.4 XSi box ftw!!

is a 1.4 xsi box any good in a vts?

[Yates]

xsi box in a vts rocks ;)

xsi box in a cammed vts rocks even more

xsi box with a diff in a cammed vts rocks even more than that

[Mark51]

^^ L@@K at meeeee!!!

[Yates]

^^ L@@K at meeeee!!!

you want to be me, nice engine, was mine... what a suprise

mark can comment on how good an xsi box is

[Mark51]

^^ i need to take it out again to give it a proper errmmmm... test drive i think

[joe_thompson]

well i had mine to 60 in 7.21 soo its near enough mate

[AlexB]

s1 rallye box imo

shortest box you can get (buy a minimal amount)
quaife that and add a cammed vts lump will be rather quick

[makaveli144]

well i had mine to 60 in 7.21 soo its near enough mate

By doing what?





Dropping it off a cliff?

[Prickle]

By doing what?





Dropping it off a cliff?

lol.......

[Yates]

diff wont make it any faster

[AdamH]

stripped car + xsi = not happy motorway miles...

[alextoffie]

the guys asking if you can get a vtr to do it

why are some people saying drop a vts lump in it?

sometimes i swear people have "drop a vts lump in it" on copy & paste it into every topic on here

i would be interested to know if it was possible but so far i dont see anyone answering the question - no disrespect at all to those who are genuinely trying to help

[Mystic]

well i had mine to 60 in 7.21 soo its near enough mate

By doing what?





Dropping it off a cliff?

No that would take longer, he counted in his head obviously ;)

Alex i get what your saying. A cammed VTR with a shorter ratio box wouldnt be far off would it? Cammed VTRs seem to hit about 120bhp iirc similar to the vts. VTR's torque distribution helps it get off the mark quickly too?

[alextoffie]

tbh i think a vtr tuned to 120bhp would probably do it if a VTS with that power is just off it... i know they're the same power but the delivery would probably be different because its tuned

i know and i understand that often £ to bhp it is often easier to put a VTS engine in the car, but i also think people are too quick to suggest it these days

if he put a VTS lump in it, it wouldn't be a VTR doing the 7 seconds 0-60, would it? which is what he asked in the first place

[Yates]

stripped car + xsi = not happy motorway miles...

its fine if you sit at 70, 3700rpm and a btb all good

[chris205]

a girl i know has an s2 rallye with an engine built by pug performance and longmans, its got around 135 bhp on the 8 valve lump, its quick, and would say its easily capable of doing 0-60 in 7 seconds, I can find out the spec if you like but its had quite a bit of money spent on it

[chris205]

the guys asking if you can get a vtr to do it

why are some people saying drop a vts lump in it?

sometimes i swear people have "drop a vts lump in it" on copy & paste it into every topic on here

i would be interested to know if it was possible but so far i dont see anyone answering the question - no disrespect at all to those who are genuinely trying to help

if you read the guys first post mate it reads without spending stupid amounts of money, thats why people are saying it would be cheaper to drop a vts lump in :)

[alextoffie]

if you read the guys first post mate it reads without spending stupid amounts of money, thats why people are saying it would be cheaper to drop a vts lump in :)
whats stupid money though?? if anything over £500 is stupid money then its stupid money to put a VTS lump in

like i said before, he asked if you could get a VTR engine to do it, if you put a VTS engine in it, then the points completely gone before you've started any tuning

if you can't get a VTR engine to do it without 'stupid' money, then the simple answer to the thread is "no".

[chris205]

he said a VTR ;) not a VTR ENGINE! so you can drop the 's' lump in but its still a vtr, hence making the vtr do 0-60 in 7 seconds ;)

Im not starting an arguement though matey, the simplist option is to go for a vts lump, it would work out cheaper if you wanted to progress onto further power

for instance, spend a lot on a vtr lump then realise, ooops theres more potential with the 16 valve unit so you change it for a vts lump

[AlexB]

diff wont make it any faster

it helps a bit with the launch on a 0-60 though as itll reduce wheelspin a tad

stripped car + xsi = not happy motorway miles...

earplugs ftw
tbh its no worse than just a loud exhaust

if you read the guys first post mate it reads without spending stupid amounts of money, thats why people are saying it would be cheaper to drop a vts lump in :)

depends on the mods hes doing tbh

whats stupid money though?? if anything over £500 is stupid money then its stupid money to put a VTS lump in

like i said before, he asked if you could get a VTR engine to do it, if you put a VTS engine in it, then the points completely gone before you've started any tuning

if you can't get a VTR engine to do it without 'stupid' money, then the simple answer to the thread is "no".

all well and good saying stuff like that
but to get up to the spec hes after youll be looking at cams and a remap plus a breathing mods and your lookinf at least 750ish for new parts and a remap

[alextoffie]

it helps a bit with the launch on a 0-60 though as itll reduce wheelspin a tad



earplugs ftw
tbh its no worse than just a loud exhaust



depends on the mods hes doing tbh



all well and good saying stuff like that
but to get up to the spec hes after youll be looking at cams and a remap plus a breathing mods and your lookinf at least 750ish for new parts and a remap
i know mate, so the simplest answer really (when you consider he's not after spending a lot of money) is no...

[Yates]

it helps a bit with the launch on a 0-60 though as itll reduce wheelspin a tad

really shouldnt be gettin wheel spin on a standard vts unless in wet or you mean to do it

[Evolution4589]

If you want some stuff that will help out...

- Proper induction kit
- Uprated cam
- Uprated exhaust manifold
- In fact, full exhaust system would be a good start
- Skim the head, up the compression. They run relatively low compression compared to today's circa 12:1 engines
- Remap the bastard once you've done all that

If you want to start getting nitty gritty...



Multi angle valve cut:

Would be a good idea as it improves flow round the valve dramatically improving the volumetric efficiency.

Port matching:

The inlet ports need to be matched with the manifold, which will bring some gains. Exhaust ports must not be port matched.




That's where stuff starts getting kind of expensive though... :S

[megabob]

strip it out like a rally slag that'll improve your 0-60, if you go realy mad with the stripping you can loose over 100KG from the cars total weight

[phillyc]

breathing mods
performance cams
remap

that should easily have you to above 120 bhp if done correctly which is the same figure as a vts. so you should have it in the mid 7 secs 0-60 and im sure you can live with half a second less than what your aiming for lol. and all that should be around a grand for parts and labour of fitting cams if you look for bargains on ebay which I dont consider stupid amount as some people spend 500+ on wheels

[Georgel]

To get 0 - 60 in 7 seconds on a vtr you will need to cam it at least, fit a vts box and then raise the rev limiter so you can hit 60 in second. Tbh I wouldn't get obsessed with the 0-60 times they are pretty meaningless. 30 mph upwards in gear acceleration is much more important. 0 - 100 is also a far better benchmark of a cars performance.

[rushy_23]

Your VTR will do a 7 second 0 to 60 if you use a stopwatch and your speedo I hear. Used
to when I first past my test :p

Like said, with the right power and delivery of a tuned VTR engine it may hit the 7 seconds.
But I reckon your talking a more aggressive cam, full breathing mods and as much weight
loss as possible. Ohh and a good map to make the mods work.

Thing is though what Ive always noticed is the VTR at higher revs does look a bit off pull?

[Evolution4589]

16 valves = longer legs higher up the rev range... I always find that 8 valves are in their prime around the midrange, between 3,500-5,500... that's just me though.

[rushy_23]

I agree when people say 8v engines are a bit harder hitting at the mid range. But when
I hear things like OMG my 8v will creap infront of your 16v and blow you away at first..


Its like ahhh I wanna slap myself.

[Andy72]

yes it is possible. Quite easily. The sprint guys in my championship all have 106 rallyes and they leave most of the 1400 -2000 class for dead. You need - at least 100bhp at the fly, an LSD, a rallye box and 13" wheels with 175/50 tyres. Not very good on the motorway but they fly off the line and are qucik as fook up to 80mph

[iw_laurence]

turbo? that would do it wouldnt it?

[rushy_23]

I know I may sound daft, but does a Diff affect acceleration?

[Georgel]

Apart from you won't hit 60 in second gear unless you have an 8500rpm rev limit with 13" rims.

[rushy_23]

I know I may sound daft, but does a Diff affect acceleration?

Just to justify my knowledgelessness, its originally didnt think it did..

[Toad]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the most obvious way of doing this, (to me) and that's reducing the weight of the car. Most of it won't cost you anything either. The weight of a car has a huge effect on its acceleration.

[Mr_suv]

super strip it, spare wheel cage+ spare take off replace for a tin of tyre weld, xsi/rallye box ftw prob would get easier if you had a vts lump though

[Toad]

I know I may sound daft, but does a Diff affect acceleration?

It can help if traction is an issue on a straight line path. It will provide much more benefit around the bends... :y:

[Evolution4589]

10% off the weight = 10% quicker acceleration...

I've stripped out the entire rear end of my car, lost a good 80kg- the seatbelts are 5kg each :S rear bench didn't weigh that much but the seat backs weighed a fucking tonne. Spare was around 15kg overall, including all the shit that goes with it.

A Green Flag card weighs less than a spare wheel. :y:

[Georgel]

Its still the rev limit and the grearing on the Vtr that lets it down 0 - 60. Weight will help the in gear and 0 - 100 times though.

[megabob]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the most obvious way of doing this, (to me) and that's reducing the weight of the car. Most of it won't cost you anything either. The weight of a car has a huge effect on its acceleration.

i mentioned that half way through page 2 ;)

[chris205]

take out every seat apart from the drivers ;) theres another possible 15kgs gone

spare wheel, every bit of trim, carpet, dash, lightweight wheels, low profile tyres would help

tbh you could maybe get into the 7 seconds barrier with totally stripped, good filter, manifold and exhaust and some light weight wheels and a good launch

[rushy_23]

Toadus! Your really loosing your sight man, I put the weight loss up on page 2 too. Tut tut.

Finger grows closer to bad rep

[chris205]

btw anybody got any vids to show of their cars doing 0-60 etc?

Im launching around 2.5k rpm would people say thats about right so you avoid getting wheel spin

[Toad]

i mentioned that half way through page 2 ;)

Sorry dude. :oops:

[Toad]

Toadus! Your really loosing your sight man, I put the weight loss up on page 2 too. Tut tut.

Finger grows closer to bad rep

You wouldn't bad rep the Toadus!!?

...Would you? :ponder:

[Toad]

btw anybody got any vids to show of their cars doing 0-60 etc?

Im launching around 2.5k rpm would people say thats about right so you avoid getting wheel spin

You want a teeny bit of wheel spin. It stops the engine bogging down. :y:

[Karl]

Just like to add to this.

One of the reasons the VTR takes so long to 60, is because a user will have to change into 3rd gear to reach 60mph.

Although it isnt advised,
raising your rev limiter, would enable a user to hit 60 in 2nd gear,
thus reducing the time taken to reach 60mph.

[posi_saxo]

cheers guys! im after keeping my original VTR engine in it, jsut good for mpg. Gonna get a full new exhaust system and manifold, and then cams after, then see where i go from there!

[Karl]

Out of interest,
why do you want it do it in 7 seconds?

[rushy_23]

Yea man Id rather get it to drive nice! Good suspension/tyres/weight loss will make it
a joy to own.

Keep ripping your car in first gear and eventually your car will die!

[Georgel]

Just like to add to this.

One of the reasons the VTR takes so long to 60, is because a user will have to change into 3rd gear to reach 60mph.

Although it isnt advised,
raising your rev limiter, would enable a user to hit 60 in 2nd gear,
thus reducing the time taken to reach 60mph.

I keep saying, lol

[MaRiO89]

If you rev a VTR near enough to the limiter it hits just over 60 on the clocks..Mine does anyway..

[Sophia_Bush]

direct methane injection or a shorter box

[Georgel]

The speedo may show that, but in reality it doesn't

[posi_saxo]

i was just interested if it was possible, mainly because most of the more expensivesimialr cars such as clio sport do it in aroudn 7 seconds

[Karl]

Yeah, a Clio does do it in 6.6, but then it has alot more to play with,
bigger cc, twice the valves...

[LEE_VTR1]

0-60 traffic light warrior lol.

as everyones said mate it is possible with the right mods and that but you wont do your engine much good driving it hard of the line or your driveshafts more to the point.

plus you'd wanna be shifting around 5k because that would keep a vtr in the powerband, when i had mine on a rolling road my power started dropping off again around 5250 rpm so when i shift i try and shift just as the needle hits 5k so its back into the powerband again when your in your next gear that only works upto 3rd though because 4th and 5th ratios are well too long.

[Toad]

0-60 traffic light warrior lol.

as everyones said mate it is possible with the right mods and that but you wont do your engine much good driving it hard of the line or your driveshafts more to the point.

plus you'd wanna be shifting around 5k because that would keep a vtr in the powerband, when i had mine on a rolling road my power started dropping off again around 5250 rpm so when i shift i try and shift just as the needle hits 5k so its back into the powerband again when your in your next gear that only works upto 3rd though because 4th and 5th ratios are well too long.

If you can, try to shift up at max BHP, and hope the next gear starts at max lb/ft.

[stingray1987]

Just like to add to this.

One of the reasons the VTR takes so long to 60, is because a user will have to change into 3rd gear to reach 60mph.

Although it isnt advised,
raising your rev limiter, would enable a user to hit 60 in 2nd gear,
thus reducing the time taken to reach 60mph.

sorry but ive seen this said alot now and the 60mph ur stating is that off the clock cus if it is then ur worng.
i have a mk2 vtr and it will just do 60mph on the clock in 2nd.
but the clock is not spot on is it.

[Master_VTR]

my clock is spot on and it does 61 in 2nd gear

[Steve]

my clock is spot on and it does 61 in 2nd gear

why the hell you bumped this up? your about to start a 0-60 in 2nd war.

[dinga]

a spot on clock ! didnt think they existed.

[Yates]

my clock is spot on and it does 61 in 2nd gear
hahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Ryan]

my clock is spot on and it does 61 in 2nd gear

a new retard joins the forum each month it seems. :clapping:

[Stickyjam]

my vtr does 131 in 1st!

[Yates]

my vts does around 68 in second :D

[luthor1]

Here is my VTS, full supersprint exhaust including de-cat, crappy cone filter and my Predator ECU all mapped up... You can see the speedo and rev-counter clearly. I think it reads 61 in 2nd? But then I don't over-rev my car, and change up at 7000, 7100.

I can raise the revlimit to whatever I want, so at 7,500rpm it would easily be doing a genuine 60.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GbwbcSTcsMw

Andy

[Mike-VTR]

on what car is says that a standard vtr does 0 - 60 in 7 seconds

so a vts with a 'full supersprint exhaust including de-cat, crappy cone filter and my Predator ECU all mapped up' must do it in bout 0.000364 seconds according to what car

[Toad]

Here is my VTS, full supersprint exhaust including de-cat, crappy cone filter and my Predator ECU all mapped up... You can see the speedo and rev-counter clearly. I think it reads 61 in 2nd? But then I don't over-rev my car, and change up at 7000, 7100.

I can raise the revlimit to whatever I want, so at 7,500rpm it would easily be doing a genuine 60.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GbwbcSTcsMw

Andy

That's nice Andy, but this thread / argument is reference to a VTR, not a VTS... :)

[luthor1]

It's just that doing 60 in second is not so ridiculous as made out above.

The VTR has longer gearing than the VTS, so my point is if mine does it why couldn't a VTR? Not that I've ever driven one.

Mike-VTR do you have a link to the What Car where it says the VTR does 7 secs to 60? I think that's quite a long way from accurate.

Andy

[Toad]

It's just that doing 60 in second is not so ridiculous as made out above.

The VTR has longer gearing than the VTS, so my point is if mine does it why couldn't a VTR? Not that I've ever driven one.

Mike-VTR do you have a link to the What Car where it says the VTR does 7 secs to 60? I think that's quite a long way from accurate.

Andy

It's because the 8 valve lump doesn't rev nearly as high as the 16 valve lump.

[Georgel]

correct.

[Ryan]

It's just that doing 60 in second is not so ridiculous as made out above.

The VTR has longer gearing than the VTS, so my point is if mine does it why couldn't a VTR? Not that I've ever driven one.

Mike-VTR do you have a link to the What Car where it says the VTR does 7 secs to 60? I think that's quite a long way from accurate.

Andy

andy most people claim to be able to do 60 in second on a standard set up vtr, so revving to 6250.

this with the gearing means 60 in second is not possible, a raised limiter makes it doable but then you are out of the powerband on the standard 8v cam anyway.

[Georgel]

So in reaching 60 in second with a raised rev limiter, you are actually slowing down the overall acceleration. You may have a better 0 - 60 time, but 0 - 70, 80, 90 and so on will be slower.

[Ryan]

So in reaching 60 in second with a raised rev limiter, you are actually slowing down the overall acceleration. You may have a better 0 - 60 time, but 0 - 70, 80, 90 and so on will be slower.

although if being out of powerband it might mean that that makes them even slower than a gearchange into the correct gear dont you feel>

[Georgel]

No. Momentum is the winner for that one. Its why most Tdi's don't have attractive 0 - 60 figures.

[Steve]

depends how fast you can change gear.

[Georgel]

Nope, when you change gear the car stops accelerating and momentum is lost. You would need a lot of poke to make up a gear change if you were timing 0 - 60 and you had to change at 55mph in one car and not in the other.

[tobyk]

My VTR *does* do 60 in 2nd, it's on 195/45-16s so oversize (not through choice!).

My driftbox times the 0-60 at 8.8, not bad for a phase 1 VTR with oversized tyres, and just a 4 branch, induction kit, and stainless system.

Standard phase 2s out accelarate it above 90 though :(

[CaldzieVTR]

i think as said before cammed, breathing mods and a remap with box ud be looking at getting very close to 7seconds..

my vtr seems nippy as but dies in 4th gear...

prob because the pervious owner buggered the box and put a cheap AXGT one in :S

does do sum in first,second and still pulls well in third motorway is shocking lol lucky if i hit 90

106 xsi box on my shopping list, possible first as its doing my head in lol

[Yates]

i thought the xsi and axgt were simular boxes?

[CaldzieVTR]

i thought the xsi and axgt were simular boxes?


are they ??

mines great up to 4th then dies , plus isnt the xsi a 5speed ? mines only 4

anyway of telling what mine is ?? im only taking his word for it...

[Georgel]

Yes they are, you don't have a Gt box if its 4 speed mate.

[CaldzieVTR]

Yes they are, you don't have a Gt box if its 4 speed mate.

sound atleast i know. havent a clue whats in it then :S the gears are so long its shocking lol

need a new box asap...

think when thats out ill fit a new clucth should feel nice after that.

(sorry bit of topic)