h.i.d

[BROCKYS_VTR]

what is the recommended hid which are legal to use and expense??

[BROCKYS_VTR]

any idea
??

[saxo_bigbass]

think its 6,000 k or somthing along that line. i just purchased a 10000k kit lol

[H82_lose]

You need to have an e-marked projector beam light for the h.i.d's to be legal, and also you have to buy a legal set of h.i.ds.
So if you have either standard lights, or smoked standards, you'll be illegal...

Look on the seller's website- if it doesn't say e-marked, don't buy it!

[H82_lose]

8.000k is the highest you can go, and the most popular!

[BROCKYS_VTR]

will 6.000k melt my angel lights as there plastic??

[smittytom]

If you have a HID kit on your Saxo its illegal not matter what you have/do

[H82_lose]

Check with the manufacturer... then let me know lol
If they're ultra, you'll be ok, cos i asked them...

[H82_lose]

http://www.h-i-d.co.uk/

[AXracing]

have a look at www.hid.moonfruit.com

As for the colour the bulb with the highest colour temp to have road approval is the Philips 6000 that are really giving light at 5800k.

[AXracing]

If you have a HID kit on your Saxo its illegal not matter what you have/do

Very true it is illegal to fit HID in to a Saxos original headlight if it is to be used on the road in the UK.

[vtcarl]

i had hid's on mine, i think they were the 6k bulbs. had it mot'd and they failed due to not having self leveling lights. and that was citroen who told me that. so i coudnt really argue there.

[Mint-VTR]

If you have a HID kit on your Saxo its illegal not matter what you have/do

how does this work?

i believe other wise

[frankie]

tbh...

its only illegal if you get caught ;)

[gdwelsh]

I have 6000k not bad... would probably of gone for 8000k looking back.

still a damn good upgrade though.

[smittytom]

how does this work?

i believe other wise

Unless you fully convert your head lights to the HID set up with washers and what not costing probably more than The car

Not saying people shouldn't get them because they do look good and yeh they are only illegal when you get caught

[MaRiO89]

Just get them..you wont get pulled over if you get 6000k ones as they look like Xenons so aren't uber uber bright like 10000k would be for example..

I've had mine for ages and never had a problem..just swap the bulbs over for MOT time..

[AXracing]

how does this work?

i believe other wise

In 1989 the UK government introduced The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations. These were a list of requirements of compulsory and optional lights for new and used that were registered or after the 1st of November 1989. HID lights of any sort are not permitted under these regulations.

But its not that simple as the UK is part of the EU and so any car that complies to EU legislation is still road legal in the UK. The Economic Commission for Europe Regulations 48 and 98 are the resolvent European lighting regulations. These do allow HID but strictly prohibit the retrofitting of HID bulbs in to a halogen headlight. It actually prohibits the the retrofit of any sort of non factory type approved lighting system.

Under both the Road Traffic Act (aka, the law)and the Road Safety Act (aka, the law) it is a offence to use a vehicle on the public road that with the above legislation. Hence it is illegal to fit HID to a road going Saxo unless your planning on paying the ECE to type approve a set for you or I guess you could jut leave thee UK to some place where they would be legal though that would have to be outside the EU, US, AU and JP as well.

:wacko:

[AXracing]

Just get them..you wont get pulled over if you get 6000k ones as they look like Xenons so aren't uber uber bright like 10000k would be for example..

I've had mine for ages and never had a problem..just swap the bulbs over for MOT time..

It tend to be the other way round. All being equal a 6,000k HID bulb would be considerably brighter than a 10,000k HID bulb and a 4,500k would be considerably brighter than both of them. The “k” number refers to literally the colour of the light the bulb gives off. Its a old system but basics are its the colour of light a theatrical black body would give off if heated to the same temperature. So around 1,000k/2,000k is a red ish light 3,000k/4,000k is yellow ish 5,000k is white ish 8,000k is deep blue the on to purple. Oddly though the lower the k the warmer the colour is and the higher the k the colder the colour is. If you want to talk about about the amount of light a bulb gives out this is often given in lumen or lm.

[Mint-VTR]

so you can have them legally with different headlights?

[MaRiO89]

I see AX..I meant that if you got the 10000k or higher ones they would look well on their way to purple and you would defo be pulled over..

[AXracing]

so you can have them legally with different headlights?

Its a bit complicated.

Going by the letter of the law HID headlights may only be fitted if they are to Economic Commission for Europe Regulations 48 and 98 and are independently tested by the Economic Commission for Europe or Vehicle Certification Agency.

However there is one bit of documentation by the DFT that confuses this a little. This document is only opinion but it says in there opinion if you respect 3 requirements in there opinion it should be ok to fit HID. The 3 requirements are 1- You use a headlight that is already ECE approved for HID for example off another car. 2- You use a headlight self levelling system and headlight washer system to ECE regulations 3- Your lights are other wise working and legal. This is in no way a legal document but you can see the logic.

[AXracing]

I see AX..I meant that if you got the 10000k or higher ones they would look well on their way to purple and you would defo be pulled over..

You are correct it will go to purple and that would defiantly get you pulled. Really the most you are allowed to date is 5,800k but the k rating of most of these retrofit kits are a world away from there actual colour. I have seen of late on a Mondeo a 4,200k bulb that was bluer than a true 5,800k bulb. I have also heard people talking about 30,000k. However this is way beyond the visible spectrum of light. Basically just about the hole retofit HID industry is full of con men.