**** Newman Cams **** - Group Buy - Saxo VTR & VTS

[Rob-C]

Ok since the piper cam idea didnt get very far i decided to try with the newman cams...

Have had a word with David at Newman Cams and he said he will do a 25% discount on a minimum of 5 orders

there are the following available...

Saxo 1.4 and 1.6 VTR Non Roller Rocker Arm
CITSNR/256/367 PH1 - Road Cam £154.20 (Notes. Good Increase of Low Mid Range Power ,Smooth Idle)
CITSNR/280/409 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20 (Notes. Rally Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will requre a remap)

Citroen Saxo 1.4 and 1.6 VTR Non Roller Rocker Arm Additional Components
DNCF1200 - 8 x Rocker Arm Non Roller Type £84.60
TB8101 - Cam Belt Size 101mm x 17mm £13.20


Saxo 1.4 and 1.6 VTR Roller Rocker Arm
CITSRR/258/406 PH1 - Road Cam £154.20 (Notes. Good Increase of Low Mid Range Power ,Smooth Idle)
CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20 (Notes. Rally Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will requre a remap)

Citroen Saxo 1.4 and 1.6 VTR Roller Rocker Arm Additional Components
TB8101 - Cam Belt Size 101mm x 17mm £13.20


Saxo 1.6 1.8 2.00 VTS 16 Valve
CITVTS/256/380 PH1 - Road Cam £273.20 (Notes. Good Increase of Low Mid Range Power, Smooth Idle)
CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20 (Notes. Fast Road Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will requre a remap)
CITVTS/280/430 PH4 - Sprint/Tarmac Rally £273.20 (Notes. Sprint /Tarmac Rally Cam Requires Throttle Bodies)
CITVTS/290/450 PH5 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £273.20 (Notes. Race Cam Giving a Wide Spread of Power from 4500 RPM)

Citroen Saxo 1.6 1.8 2.00 VTS 16 Valve Additional Components
DNCFHL88 - 16 x Hydraulic Cam Followers (28.35mm x 26mm) £105.75
DNCF6000 - 16 x Mechanical Easy Adjust EN40B Non Shim Cam Followers (28.35mm x 26mm) £225.60
TB8955 - Timing Belt 136mm x25.4mm £39.20

Prices include vat and delivery!

Note: Additional components can not be ordered on their own, Must be bought with a cam(s)!

1. Rob C - (CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20) - PAID
2. Sparco_Tom - (CITVTS/280/430 PH4 - Sprint/Tarmac Rally £273.20)
3. sam106gti - (CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20) 106oc - PAID
4. syvtr - (CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20) - PAID
5. Nick_106 - (CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20)
6. frankie - (CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20) - PAID

[Mr_suv]

so how much are they for a vts?

[Rob-C]

list is updated mate :)

[SaxoSully]

CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20 (Notes. Fast Road Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will not run on Std Injection)

Thought you could run ph3's with standard fuel system
Sully

[Peasnall]

CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20 (Notes. Fast Road Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will not run on Std Injection)

Thought you could run ph3's with standard fuel system
Sully

he means it needs a remap mate

[Rob-C]

requires a remap i think mate




Was beat to it lol

[SaxoSully]

I know it would need a remap just says it wont run on standard injectors
Sully

[Rob-C]

il change it so it doesnt confuse people lol

EDIT: changed :)

[Sparco_Tom]

ph4's for me please

[Rob-C]

for the vts yeah mate?

[Sparco_Tom]

yeah vts mate im running throttle boddies am i going to need my ecu re mapping again?

[Rob-C]

i think they will be ok if your on bodies and been remapped mate

im sure someone will correct me if im wrong :)

[Peasnall]

yeah vts mate im running throttle boddies am i going to need my ecu re mapping again?

yes mate, will need to be remapped for the new cams

[Rob-C]

ah ok then... you still in Tom?

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

Good luck with the group buy mate. Much better prices here than the piper one!

Although be prepared for half the people saying they are up for it and not finishing the deal :(

Edit: Also post this up on 106oc and RR will help get the numbers up. Although SSC doesn't allow group buys on their site due to their sponsors like.

[Steve]

much better prices, sure last years was cheaper ;)

Fair play for sorting it :y:

[Rob-C]

much better prices, sure last years was cheaper ;)

Fair play for sorting it :y:

Yeah may of been cheaper but were there more than 5 people in the last one? We only need 5 for this one.

Also like anything, Prices in time only go one way!

[Rob-C]

come on people 3 more needed :)

[Proffitt]

CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20 (Notes. Rally Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will requre a remap)

When it says will require a remap, does that mean it will require a remap to run or will require a remap to get the full potnetial...as im thinking of getting mine cammed and remapping it when i can afford it!

[Rob-C]

this is how your car would run if you didnt get it remapped mate

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDRjRqonkg

i have known people to run them unmapped for a short preiod of time but all depend how long your thinking of running it unmapped?

and yes obviously it would get full potential as it wont be getting enough fuel to run at its best

[Longy_NE]

im guessing these prices will be just for the cam(s) itself/themselves and is not a kit?

[Rob-C]

yeah mate what else was you after then? you can use your existing pulley with these if im not mistaken?

[Longy_NE]

not sure, figured i would do the whole job, knowing the state my sax is in i'll probably need a new one!

[Rob-C]

have just updated the list its not got prices for followers, belt etc if thats any help

what exactly was you after?

[Sidvish69]

what bhp could you expect to gain on the cams with the remap?
how much is a remap usually?

[Rob-C]

for which model mate? vtr or vts?

[Sidvish69]

vtr sorry

[Rob-C]

you could go with the road cam which gives good low and mid range and you would not need to pay for a remap at all

you just fit the cam get it timed up and away you go, you will notice a difference in acceleration and torque but i can not say what bhp increase you will get

[Sidvish69]

ok cheers. not looking to buy them now will be in a couple of months

[Rob-C]

no probs mate!

anyone else want in on this? need 3 more people to confirm order

[Sparco_Tom]

im still in! one problem i killed my ecu today so looking like an expensive month new ecu cams and map ouchhh

that video was cool i love the noise of an unmapped cam or very wild cam idle

[Rob-C]

ouch sorry to hear that mate lol

glad your still in tho :) just need to get 3 more people in... when you looking at ordering and paying?

[Sparco_Tom]

i will pay up when we have 3 more serious people

[Rob-C]

cool mate same here will pay as soon as everyone is confirmed and serious im in 100% for sure

[cookiesvts]

What would be best for a vts the ph 1 or ph 2
What would be the diffrents?

[cookiesvts]

sorry i ment ph 1 and ph 3
How come there is no ph 2
thanks

[Rob-C]

the ph1 is best for low and mid range power, the ph3 is best for mid and high range power.... anything higher than the ph3 would require throttle bodies etc

[gouldy87]

ive been after some ph3s for a while and i was going to get em this month but the sax broke massively and ive put 700 quid into her so massively annoyed! that doesnt seem like much of a discount though?

[craigy_87]

no one fancy doing a group buy on kent cams lol just for me :D

[Rob-C]

why you going for kent cam mate wats up with newmans? :P

[craigy_87]

nothing at all mate, ignore my comment lol just kent cams are more well known in the gti-6 scene

[Rob-C]

lol join in here for a change have a newmans gti-6

[Proffitt]

I love the sound of the unmapped cam in the vts LOL

[Rob-C]

would it sound anything like that unmapped in a vtr?

also would it be ok to drive like it for like 10 miles unmapped?

[AdamH]

fit new cams it is okay to drive it unmapped for a while, a few people i have known and a few on SSC for example have fitted theirs and driven around 600-1000 miles before getting a remap.

its just a case of playing around with the timing (on a vts) and getting an adjustable vernier for a vtr and retarding the overlap a little to get a rough idle

[Rob-C]

do you need a vernier pulley to fit the newmans on a vtr? been told you can use the standard pulley for newmans

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

you can but to wring out the most of it with a vernier.

[Rob-C]

yeah i will get a vernier before i get it mapped but i mean can i fit the cam with the standard pulley and run it just untill i get it mapped

i wont be driving it all around i just mean would it idle without a vernier untill i get the vernier n get it mapped

[Rob-C]

bump bump bumpp

[Rob-C]

bumpp back up

[VTS_Gaz]

When is the group buy on til?

[Rob-C]

probs end of next week by the looks of things, may go on a bit longer mate!

[VTS_Gaz]

Ah well doubt ill get the cash together in time as i got my tax due on Fri :(

[Rob-C]

when would you be able to pay matey?

[VTS_Gaz]

I would prob be looking for cams and followers so would be closer to the end of Novemeber as due birthday cash and few extra shifts due in coming couple of weeks. If i miss it i miss it but wouldnt be able to commit to a specific date just now buddy sorry

[Rob-C]

Ah ok mate no probs!

Well if you think you can afford the cams anytime sooner let me know :)

[Rob-C]

bumpppppp

[PETE-VTR]

if you can find me a guide to fit them then you can have my 154.20quid on friday....

[PETE-VTR]

bumpppppp

[Rob-C]

im not sure where you could find a guide mate but make a thread im sure someone could help you :)

[Steve]

if you can find me a guide to fit them then you can have my 154.20quid on friday....

if you need a guide to fit it, i would certainly get a garage to fit them, as you will more then likely fuck the timing up.

Cam fitting itself is easy but i my self have never attempted timing.

[Rob-C]

come on people two more people needed!!!

[vlatko_vts]

Hi I'm from Macedonia-Europe. Do you know how mach will cost shipping to Macedonia? Thenks

[Rob-C]

£20 extra to europe mate, can not accept american express cards tho!

[Sparco_Tom]

come on guys sort it out. morning bump

[syvtr]

Is payment needed straight away or when you have 5 people lined up? And can you not get a pulley in the buy ?

[Rob-C]

when were all lined up

newman dont do pulleys for saxos mate sorry

[-Saxo_VTS-]

tempted to go for the newman ph3's hmm :panic:

[Rob-C]

yeahhh go for it mate :D :P

[syvtr]

tempted to go for the newman ph3's hmm :panic:

Ye go for it then and ill complete it lol

Sorry just some more questions before i agree bit of a novice at cams.

Are the cam belts performance ones or i'm i better going for the piper ones they offer?

What do you get is it just the cam itself?

And last would i need to uprate anything whilst having the cam fitted?

[Rob-C]

im not sureabout the cam belts mate i think their just a good brand

you get just the cam itself unless you order any of the additional components on the first page

i dont think you have to uprate anything you would need a remap tho, just replace parts if their fooked

what you order mate a vtr cam? all im going to get is just the cam and then il puy a pulley another time

[syvtr]

ye mate i got a mk2 vtr so i'll be ordering same as you and get it remapped in future when i got more money

Could i pay by paypal?

[Rob-C]

nah he wont accept paypal mate

once we got 5 buyers i will give everyone untill the 14th to ring up and pay

thats just under two weeks for everyone to phone up and pay for their cam(s) which i think is plenty of time?

[syvtr]

You want to add me to list for:

CITSRR/270/415 PH3 - Fast Road/Tarmac Rally £154.20 (Notes. Rally Cam Giving Plenty of Mid Range Power will requre a remap)

And Pm me with the details to do bank transfer mate when it needs to be sent.

Thank you

[Nick_106]

Nick_106: CITVTS/264/400 PH3 - Fast Road Cam £273.20

When is payment needed as i dont get paid til the 20th?

[Rob-C]

wanted to get all payments made by 14th mate

[vlatko_vts]

If you dont accept american express and pay pall, how can I pay? And how much will cost full shipping to Europe?

[Rob-C]

they accept all credit and debit cards just not american express and paypal, all other cards are accepted

shipping to europe is an extra £20

[Rob-C]

come on people check your pm's and get them paid for :P

[frankie]

how may people are needed for the vtr cam?

id be interested in the PH3

[Rob-C]

Frankie, When can you pay mate?

[Sparco_Tom]

got the message rob will be making the call tomorrow :)

[Rob-C]

nice one mate please confirm as soon as you have made payment

regards,
rob

[Rob-C]

also can you pm me your address as im sorting a list out what cams will be going where for David lol

[craigy_87]

you think they'd allow a PH2 gti-6 cam in this group buy??
EDIT: wait is this finished already lol

[Rob-C]

Now just waiting for

Spaco_Tom
Nick_106
fankie

To confirm their payments and then we can wait for our cam(s) :D

[craigy_87]

so it is finished then lol

[Rob-C]

yeah mate, will ask David at Newman if u can join in tho if u like?

[Rob-C]

GTI-6 cams come all in at a total of £317.25 including vat and delivery

when could you pay if you join in mate?

also... chocie of your cams can be found here on page 4 http://www.newman-cams.com/pdf/peugeot.pdf

let me know which ones you would be after

[craigy_87]

yeah checked out that page earlier.
think i'll leave it for now mate if the group buy is all ready to go wouldnt be able to pay for awhile
cheers anyway

[Rob-C]

There is now just Tom and Nick left to pay :)

[frankie]

woop woop

just checked me accoutn and £154 has got to mr newman

[Rob-C]

Cool matey as soon as Tom has sorted his payment out to David then our orders should be with us in 5-7 days :D

[Rob-C]

There is now just Tom and Nick to pay

All the other 4 including myself have now paid.

[Rob-C]

Nick has just confirmed that he cannot pay untill the 20th, If Tom pays for his the rest of us will get ours orders and then Nick will get his when he pays.

Come on Tom!!! Pay up mate were just waiting for you!! lol

[Nick_106]

Cheers rob for asking if that was possible for me, cant wait now woop woop!

[vlatko_vts]

Hi mate I'm interested to buy CITVTS/264/400 PH3 but the problem is how to pay, becouse I'm from Macedonia-Europe. I hawe only pay pal and VISA-electron. Thenks

[frankie]

should recive mine i 8 days.....

also, anyone ordering a venier pulley?

[syvtr]

also, anyone ordering a venier pulley?


Already have mine got a piper pulley + belt.

[Paul]

51 plate vtr = roller type rocker arm? True of False?

[frankie]

Already have mine got a piper pulley + belt.

where did you get your pulley from mate?

and cost?

[syvtr]

Demon tweaks and cost 100+P&P

[frankie]

have you got yours mapped?

what hp you make?

[syvtr]

No waiting on my cam to come and wont be having it mapped till i can afford it

[frankie]

oh i seeeeeee.

im guna just run round with a nice lumpy idle lol

[syvtr]

Me too for awhile with the odd cutouts aswell

[Rob-C]

i also will be running it unmapped till i acn afford it lol

[syvtr]

Have you had any details rob when these are being sent?

[Rob-C]

We are waiting for Tom, I've sent him messages on here and he doesn't seem to be replying!

Can anyone try and chase him up and ask him to make his payment please.

[frankie]

hurry up tommmmmmmmmmm

my moneys has already been taken out, so i best get a cam lol

[Rob-C]

Same here mate isn't really fair on us guys just waiting for him if he wanted to drop out he only had to say

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

usual goings on of going to the hassle of organising a group buy unfortunately mate :(

[syvtr]

Can someone just not take his place if he dont pay by a certain day?

[Rob-C]

If someone can pay monday 100% they can be in on this buy NOW!

[syvtr]

Hopefully someone must be interested as i dont fancy waiting ages to find out that tom doesnt want in nomore.

[Rob-C]

bumppppppppp

[syvtr]

Rob check 106owners someone on there seems interested..

[Rob-C]

cheers mate will check now!

[Flyingorphan]

Have you guys done the order? As im picking up a mark1 VTR this week, wanna put a fast Road cam in as gonna use for a car club :)
Mark 1's, they are the non-roller type yeh???

[syvtr]

no mate we waiting for someone to pay or some else to join and yes think mark 1's are a non roller as mine is a roller type..

[iw_laurence]

shit. i would have had one if i didnt get offered some brembos today :(

[syvtr]

Any further news on this?

[Rob-C]

I had an email today from David, He gave me a list of people who have paid and there is 5 on there as he added another person to the group buy who rang up and ordered so we have all 5 people.

Not sure when the other person paid so hopefully we should recieve our cams very soon!!


Am like a little kid at xmas :D

[vlatko_vts]

Yes the last person is me. I paid for CITVTS/264/400 PH3 but I dont know a lot of English becouse I'm from Macedonia. I like to help with the group buy becouse in Macedonia we have only 6-7 Saxo VTS.

[edwcorst]

any chance of another one being ordered or not :D ? im defo interested . let me know anyway

[Rob-C]

give David a ring at newman cam's ask if its too late to join in on robs group buy,

01689-857109

[vlatko_vts]

I think is not too late, but ask David.

[Flyingorphan]

Hey, picking up my Saxo 2moz, so yeh def interested aswel. Will ring David, see whats what. Do i need to get different pulley? or that part of kit???

[Flyingorphan]

Do i need a re-map with cams??? Mods will be De-cat full system, induction, running standard ecu.

[frankie]

search mate be asked many a time....

a can be done with out a remap but the idle will be lumpy, and wont see as gooder gain without one

[vlatko_vts]

No you don't need a different pulley but I think it would be best to re-map ecu to get full power of cams.

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

if 8v you should get a vernier, with the 16v you don't need as standard valver pulleys are adjustable

[Rob-C]

Message from david...

Hello Rob,

All cams gone except for the VTS awaiting castings hopefully they will be off next week.

Regards

David Newman

[syvtr]

quality should be here soon....Good work rob

[vlatko_vts]

Yeah GOOD work Rob

[Rob-C]

NOT HAPPY!!!


David has sent me two vtr cams when only one was supposed to come to me n the other to syvtr... ARGHHH!!!

[edwcorst]

lol : ) hopefullyyyy mine comes this week :d woop

[edwcorst]

how much do you think it would be to get this fitted by a garage? as i dont fancy giving it ago :P

[Rob-C]

if you supply the pulley, cambelt and gasket set probably around £250 mark i would say mate, have you gone for the ph1 or ph3?

[frankie]

think i may of got mine today....

but was not in and it had to be signed for :(

guna fit mine tomorow i think woop woop.

[Rob-C]

your fitting it yourself??

[frankie]

like everything else ive done....

yarp :y:

wont be till about next week when my pulley and inlet manifold arrives

[Rob-C]

cool mate what mods you running all together?

[frankie]

atm....

piper stainless catback.
evosport enclosed filter.
vts rad (better cooling)

to arrive.

manifold.
106 rallye (1.3) ally inlet.
cam and pulley.

then various suspension and braking mods.

forgot me trust ole £21 vts gearbox lol

[williamsvts]

any idea how much the lifters are not in the group buy?

[syvtr]

Anybody had these fitted?

[Rob-C]

who has recieved theres?!?!?

[syvtr]

Just me aint it who hasnt?

[Rob-C]

nah i think the 16v cams were only sent out this week mate

if you dont have yours by end of next week i will look into it mate as it will be beyond a joke! but hey thats royal mail for you! lol

[syvtr]

haha you telling me mate i was hoping to have it fitted this week but now i decided against because so close to xmas.

[frankie]

got mine.

[Rob-C]

yeah same here ive put my car on hold atm due to xmas

gota get all the presents sorted first before i can carry on spending again lol

[vlatko_vts]

YEEEEEEEEEEE they finally arrived.

[syvtr]

Still waiting?

[vlatko_vts]

Whether someone has adjusted his camshafts?

[blackie_2k5]

this group buy still running?

[Robbo]

same as above, this group buy still on?

[vlatko_vts]

same as above, this group buy still on?

No but see here
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196156
:drink::drink::drink:

[benshaw]

hi there im very interested in the newman cams ph3 for my saxo vts i would like to enter the group buy could you give me further details please how do i pay?when do i recieve the cams?etcc thanks write back ta mates

[benshaw]

hi there im very interested in the newman cams ph3 for my saxo vts i would like to join the group buy could you please give me some more details?how do i pay?when do i recieve the cams??etcc thanks write back

[benshaw]

hi there im very interested in the newman cams ph 3 for my saxo vts i would like to join the group buy could you give me more details on how do i pay??when i recieve the cams??write back thanks

[Jorge-]

Hi mate, check out mine. not this one. Its old lol

[Bad_Mother_Fucka]

Is the cam group buy still on? I got vtr want fast road cam and belt no money till end of the month tho? Wen u thinkin of doin it?

[Ryan]

this group buy passed.

closed to stop further dredges