**GROUPBUY** Innovate LC-1 wideband sensor for the Predator ecu

[manc]

Thought I'd initially test the water on whether or not there is any intrest for a groupbuy on the Innovate LC-1 wideband lambda sensor, if you are buying a Predator ecu then this will be right up your street.

http://www.zen16052.zen.co.uk/new-vts/innovate_lc-1.jpg

These are to be used with the Predator standalone ecu developed by Datshiift, when the car is mapped with the Predator they will fit this exact wideband sensor to get accurate fuel/air mixture, once mapping is complete they remove this wideband and put the narrowband back on, more detailed info & indeed video's can be found here (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php), for the blink of you out there you can buy air/fuel gauges also ;)

--UPDATE 5/11/8--

These usually RRP for £165.00 +delivery each, the best discounted price I have got bearing in mind the poor pound to the dollar is £133 delivered.

--UPDATE 5/11/8--

Payment details will be presented once I get an idea of intrest & numbers.

The List: -

1. ManC PAID
2. Mystic PAID
3. daz_Westcoast PAID
4. Ste
5. The_Notorious_C_A_T PAID
6. tweeqd
7. VTR-T
8. saxmad88 2x PAID

[luthor1]

FYI - the LC-1 can permanently be left installed in your car post Predator install, and the ECU can have a wideband input sent to it, and it can constantly correct the fueling as you drive, which is far better than a narrowband Sensor.

The LC-1 has 2 outputs, so 1 can go to the dashboard to a sexy gauge, and 1 to the Predator for fuelling corrections.

Andy

[manc]

Cheers for the addition Andy, I was hoping you would offer a bit more info :y:

ManC

[Mystic]

1. ManC
2. Mystic
3.

I'd be pretty interested in one of these too, anything to make driving a saxo more bearable :P

[manc]

Welcome aboard Mystic :y:

ManC

[manc]

:bump:

PM'd a few guys to see if there intrested also.

ManC

[dannyhall]

So what would the benefits be of having this installed? Better MPG? Sorry just electronics etc. just baffle me! LOL

But I am very interested.... :)

[manc]

What’s the difference between narrowband and wideband?

Wide Band


Shows Actual Air/Fuel ratio.
Precise display of ratio on the rich side of “stoichiometric”, which is where all performance engines run. Usually displays Air /Fuel ratio to the second decimal place.
Useful for maximizing power from race and other performance engines.
Fully temperature compensated.
Higher cost.


Narrow Band


Shows indication of rich vs lean.
Usually has very “coarse” display of ratio on the rich side of “stoichiometric. Some units only have 2 LEDs for the entire rich range!
Really only useful for making sure your engine is not running on the lean side.
Usually not temperature compensated, so the same air/fuel condition in the motor will result in an indication on the meter that will vary depending on sensor temperature.
Low cost.



Bottom Line:

You need wideband in your life if you want a smooth running engine which provides the most accurate fueling thus offering better bhp when you press the loud pedal. :panic:

We only have one more place for this groupbuy so be quick about it...

[Drago]

Very interested dependant on final price, this would be used on a emerald though so im guessing it is still compatible.

[manc]

Very interested dependant on final price, this would be used on a emerald though so im guessing it is still compatible.

Hi,

Pretty sure the LC-1 will work with your Emerald ecu.

Right now its looking like its £130 delivered which from all the looking round Ive done is pretty cheap, were you hoping for somthing even cheaper???

ManC

[Drago]

Nah thats sounds pretty reasonable mate, emerald has the correct function for this so it wont be a problem.

But as you say the more people interested the cheaper it is;)

One quick question will the wide band lambda screw into the original lambda sleeve? or is it a different thread size and pitch?

[manc]

Nah thats sounds pretty reasonable mate, emerald has the correct function for this so it wont be a problem.

But as you say the more people interested the cheaper it is;)
I see where you coming from matey but I do want to try and sort this by the 22/11/08, have the Predator being fitted by Andy then you see...

One quick question will the wide band lambda screw into the original lambda sleeve? or is it a different thread size and pitch?

Good question, Andy has been fitting these to Racelands for a while now so I guess the right sleeve is already there.

You think you could commit to £130 by the 20/11/08??? :y:

ManC

[Drago]

Yes mate put me down.

This is another thing on my list to get so will save alot of hassle later on.

Want to be able to get my emerald fitted and mapped/tweaked ready for next season.

[manc]

Yes mate put me down.

This is another thing on my list to get so will save alot of hassle later on.

Want to be able to get my emerald fitted and mapped/tweaked ready for next season.

Well done matey, I will leave this groupbuy open as long as I can as like yourself want to try and get the most discount available :y:

ManC

[Drago]

Ok matey:y:

[Ste]

Ill deffo have one, ive been thinking about this for a while just havn't got a decent ECU sorted yet.

[manc]

Ill deffo have one, ive been thinking about this for a while just havn't got a decent ECU sorted yet.

Excellent stuff Ste, I'll stick you down on the list, we need 1 more to get the 5 off price :panic:

ManC

[dannyhall]

How hard would this be to wire up to gauge? Simple plug in job or would it need soldering etc?

And how are we paying for this? As i'm abit paranoid at the minute! LOL

[tweeqd]

chuck me down for one aswell

[manc]

How hard would this be to wire up to gauge? Simple plug in job or would it need soldering etc?

The guage is piss easy, simply plug the Innovate gauge into the spare port on the controller, dont get any easier, shall confirm this however tommorow.

And how are we paying for this? As i'm abit paranoid at the minute! LOL

Payment will be made direct to the supplier, I the groupbuy organise is not involved in anyway with the payment side of things, infact I would recommend everyone pay on a creditcard as this is a secured means of payment. I am hoping to provide a phone number to everyone allowing them to make payment over the phone. Hope this is OK.

Dannyhall, are we saying we now have 5 people in this groupbuy ;)

ManC

[manc]

chuck me down for one aswell

Bah, you've thrown me a curve ball there, if we have 6 confirmed orders then I'm sure I can persude a bit more of a discount out of them.

ManC

[tweeqd]

can your supplyer also sort out the DB gauge

[dannyhall]

The guage is piss easy, simply plug the Innovate gauge into the spare port on the controller, dont get any easier, shall confirm this however tommorow.

Payment will be made direct to the supplier, I the groupbuy organise is not involved in anyway with the payment side of things, infact I would recommend everyone pay on a creditcard as this is a secured means of payment. I am hoping to provide a phone number to everyone allowing them to make payment over the phone. Hope this is OK.

Dannyhall, are we saying we now have 5 people in this groupbuy ;)

ManC


Sweet. If you could confirm tomorrow then that would be even better. And thanks for that matey, just best to ask.

And yes, count me in mate. But i'm in the same boat as you, I need the unit before the 21st Nov....

[manc]

can your supplyer also sort out the DB gauge

A Innovate DB gauge? if so sure can, think you and Dannyhall are intrested, they go for £60 RRP

ManC

[manc]

Sweet. If you could confirm tomorrow then that would be even better. And thanks for that matey, just best to ask.

And yes, count me in mate. But i'm in the same boat as you, I need the unit before the 21st Nov....

Good stuff pal, check this thread tommorow ref fitting & cost of the gauge.

ManC

[dannyhall]

A Innovate DB gauge? if so sure can, think you and Dannyhall are intrested, they go for £60 RRP

ManC

Get it to £50! It's quite cool though; I want it!

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php

Will check thread tomoz cheers ManC

[VTR-T]

Put me down for one of these

[manc]

Hi,

Apologies for not posting sooner, been a really busy day at work, not the best of news either I'm afraid :sad:, with the weak pound against the dollar I am struggling to get any further discounts on the already lowered price (£130 delivered), infact after speaking with the supplier they are struggling to maintain the price given to myself over a week ago, with the pound so weak they have had to increase the cost to (£133 delivered) :sad: this is completely out of there control and cannot possibly lower the price further.

In regards to the Innovate DB gauges, again I have been unable to get better pricing on the Innovate DB gauges, so they stay at the current price of £60 each. The wiring I have been lead to believe is very straight forward however does require some soldering :sad:, you are looking at wiring in a positive & negative and then a third line to the Innovate LC-1 analogue output, so not as striaght forward as I thought, apologies, but straight forward enough for a car electrician.

With all the above in mind I will have to close this groupbuy and ask for confirmation from everyone confirming that the new cost of £133 delivered is acceptable.

Once everyone has confirmed the above revised cost is ok I will start PM'ing everyone contact details allowing them to make payments.

I can only apologies again for the increase in cost but the increase is out of the suppliers control.

ManC

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

might be up for this like, will speak to Andy first though likeee

[manc]

might be up for this like, will speak to Andy first though likeee

Good to hear it m8, I'll stick your name down as Dannyhall has pulled out for now ;), sure Andy will put you on the straight and narrow regards this wideband, you realise he maps the car with a LC-1 right? buying your own LC-1 allows Andy to fit your new sensor, map the car and not have to remove the LC-1 afterwards :) basically saves him a job at the end. :y:

ManC

[Ste]

Is there a date when the offer expires?.

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

I did know that he maps it with the wideband.

Will give you an answer when I'm back onshore, is that ok or do you need to know soon?

[manc]

Is there a date when the offer expires?.
Yea, eveyone needs to of paid by the 19/11/08

I did know that he maps it with the wideband.

Will give you an answer when I'm back onshore, is that ok or do you need to know soon?
Like above everyone needs to of paid by the the 19/11/08 if not sooner.

No seems to of replied to the initial post about the cost increase :sad: I think I'm going to have to PM everyone now.

[Ste]

Im just hoping my cash comes in before then, i put aload into some shares and pulled them out but its taking a bit of time to get the cash released.

[manc]

Im just hoping my cash comes in before then, i put aload into some shares and pulled them out but its taking a bit of time to get the cash released.

Dealing in shares in this volatile UK financial state is scary, your a brave man or you've got too much money :p

I will drop you the payment PM never the less, once you get monies back you will have the info to hand allowing you to make the payment. :y:

ManC

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

should be back onshore by the 19th for sure

[manc]

Put me down for one of these

Almost missed you out pal, thanks for joining in :y:. I have PM'd you payment details.

I have sent eveyone who has expressed an intrest in this groupbuy a PM providing info allowing you to make your payment for the wideband sensor.

Thx,

[manc]

should be back onshore by the 19th for sure

Glad to hear it m8e, you should of had a PM from me?

ManC

[Drago]

Cheers for the PM mate, i will sort payment out tommorow as instructed.

Any idea how long they will take to be delivered?

[manc]

Cheers for the PM mate, i will sort payment out tommorow as instructed.

Any idea how long they will take to be delivered?

Would expect 2-3days, he had quite a few in stock when I last spoke to him.

ManC

[Drago]

Would expect 2-3days, he had quite a few in stock when I last spoke to him.

ManC

Thats good then, wasnt sure if they had to be imported.

Cheers mate:y:

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

Glad to hear it m8e, you should of had a PM from me?

ManC

I did mate but never had time to reply, limited access to the net on these public machines!

But it's fine like.

[manc]

Thats good then, wasnt sure if they had to be imported.

Cheers mate:y:

no worries.

I did mate but never had time to reply, limited access to the net on these public machines!

But it's fine like.

Glad to hear it.

[saxmad88]

Can you put me down for 2 wideband lambdas please if its not to late.

[manc]

Hi,

Its not too late but I would ask that you make payment soon as possible.

I shall PM you the payment details now and I will update the initial post also.

ManC

[saxmad88]

i can make payment as soon as i get details so not a problem

[manc]

i can make payment as soon as i get details so not a problem

PM sent, thanks for joining in on this groupbuy, look forward to your opinions on this LC-1 :y:

ManC

[Grant620]

Hiya.
Just joined up as I'm the person organising the Group Buy.
PM or email me on grant@gb-ent.com if you need any more details.
Cheers to ManC for sorting this.

[manc]

Welcome aboard Grant :y: happy you've joined up and I'm sure you'll be able to answer any technical questions that may come up.

ManC

[Grant620]

Any advice needed on electronic products from Widebands to Boost Controllers, gimme a shout... Also any advice on turbos generally...

[manc]

Update initial post with who's paid.

[Grant620]

Thanks to those that have paid - items going out today.
If people can get in contact with ManC or me ASAP to confirm intentions that would be a big help.
Currently running low (ish) on stock and have got more coming, but want to make sure we have enough to cover everyone AND have some left over!

[saxmad88]

I have just paid for my 2 sensors

[manc]

I have just paid for my 2 sensors

Top banana :y:

Initial post updated again.

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

i'll pay last minute mate, leave the funds as high as possible until needs be. But this is not the usual flaker shit, deffo in.

[Drago]

Ordered mine this morning.

cheers Grant:y:

[Grant620]

i'll pay last minute mate, leave the funds as high as possible until needs be. But this is not the usual flaker shit, deffo in.

Last minute?
Pah ;)

[Grant620]

By the way - you can call anytime this week on the number ManC gave you all...
Remember that the longer people wait to pay, the longer everyone waits to get their gear ;)

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

I see where you're coming from Grant but since everyone else needs to pay I don't feel as if I am holding this up one bit!

[manc]

Mine arrived first thing this morning :y:

Many thanks Grant for the swift service :D

ManC

PS: People who are waiting are only putting off the inevitable.

[Drago]

Also received mine this morning, now thats what you call a speedy service.

Looks like a well put together bit of kit.

Cheers manc for setting up the group buy:y:

And cheers Grant for the top service

[Grant620]

Hi,
We need to start making headway on payments for these now...
We ordered in stock to cover everybody, and only had 3 payments so far....
Payment can be paypal, bank transfer or credit/debit card.
Please email or pm for full details. grant@gb-ent.com

Usually a Group Buy works by people ordering, paying, then all items getting sent at once when final numbers are paid up.
On this occasion we ordered extra stock to cover the group buy (which was pretty much cost price BTW!) in good faith, and up front of payments. :(

[Grant620]

Nobody? :(

[manc]

I will PM they below to remind them they now need to make payments towards there LC-1's. :y:

1. Mystic
2. Ste
3. The_Notorious_C_A_T
4. tweeqd
5. VTR-T

ManC

Also received mine this morning, now thats what you call a speedy service.

Looks like a well put together bit of kit.

Cheers manc for setting up the group buy:y:

And cheers Grant for the top service


Cheers Daz, look forward to your opinion on this wideband m8 :y:

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

as far as I knew the payment was needed by the 19th wasn't it?

[Grant620]

Mystic has now paid :)

[Mystic]

Yep appologies all for the delays :)

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

will pay tomorrow once I have got a reply from Grant re my email

[Grant620]

The_Notorious_C_A_T has now paid - thanks.

[Grant620]

2 more days to go now for people to pay!

[manc]

Updated first page with who has paid. :y:

I'm relieved people are now coming through with there payments. :y:

Looking forward to getting mine fitted soon.

ManC

[luthor1]

ManC,

can you PM me regarding when we're fitting your ECU please? Your PM box is full!

Cheers
Andy

[manc]

ManC,

can you PM me regarding when we're fitting your ECU please? Your PM box is full!

Cheers
Andy


I know mate, sorting it out now.

ManC

[Grant620]

Final payments due to tomorrow.
I presume that people who haven't paid don't want them? Please let me know either way - I don't bite!
Still to pay:
Ste
tweeqd
VTR-T

[Grant620]

tweeqd now dropped out.

[saxmad88]

Grant have you recieved new your new stock now? When will recieve the widebands

[Grant620]

Hi
Stock arrived late this afternoon and is going out tomorrow.
Obviously this Group Buy has back-fired big style... The price was based on the number of them sold, so we ordered in the correct amount (on top of our normal stock) to fulfil this Group Buy.
As we have had drop outs, the net effect is that we lose money.
Not good.

[Grant620]

All items despatched by Royal Mail this morning.
Cheers
Grant

[Mystic]

Cheers Grant, sad to see a group buy affect the stockist like this after they do us a favour dropping the price :sad:

[manc]

I agree with Mystic, its a shame to see people pull out at the last moment but the two groupbuys I have been involved in have seen people pull out at the last moment :sad:

Like to take this opportunity to thank Grant for offering this great wideband at this fabulous price. :y: You'll be glad to hear its now fitted to my car and working a treat, :y: I look forward to tapping you up in the new year for the afr gauge. :)

ManC

[coolj522]

would possibly be interested in one of these, few questions first, will it run with a megasquirt ecu?? also does if vome with a gauge or is this needed aswell?

cheers

[saxmad88]

Thanks for the group buy Grant, i have recieved the 2 wideband sensors i ordered.

How many do you have left to sell as i may be able to find one or two people interested.

[coolj522]

are there any of these left for the group buy price? would be interested in one mayb