will it perform like a vts!!!

[blackie_2k5]

i have a 2000 vtr(low miles mk2) and have now got all breathing mods and uprated brakes and suspension,so was thinking of getting cams as mu nex buy, my weapon of choice has been decided as a newmans ph3 with a remap and was expectiong with all the above to be runnin around the 120bhp mark? with this in mind and the fact i want a new clutch soon so decided on getting a vts g/box as they are better would i be keeping up with standard vts' with a like for like driver, really want a vts but i cant get insured with age and points etc sorry bout the essay cheers for any input:y:

[VTEC-Saxo]

for the price of all that it would be cheaper to get a S block.. then have a lil money left for other mods to make it faster..

[AlexB]

simple answer is no
the vtr power deliver will be different

[blackie_2k5]

simple answer is no
the vtr power deliver will be different

lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch;)

[VTEC-Saxo]

yes, still not worth it.

[AlexB]

lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch;)

read and edited ;)

ther vts power comes in higher in the revs an it will rev longer
the vtr will probably be better lower in the revs and then the vts will run away from you

[blackie_2k5]

how not worth it? i got all ohter mods v cheap of a few m8 whov owned in past and can an s box for v cheap, once i remove mine i should get more than what i'll pay back, and if i get on the group buy for the cams its not guna cost me much remap will be the most as all fitting will be done buy me

[blackie_2k5]

read and edited ;)

ther vts power comes in higher in the revs an it will rev longer
the vtr will probably be better lower in the revs and then the vts will run away from you

lol i though your post had changed? was thinking id read it wrong hahah

[VTEC-Saxo]

Dont ask for advice then if your gona argue with the results, i would listen to alex he knows a hell of alot imo

[AlexB]

lol
im good at doing that
i struggle reading and miss bits

[blackie_2k5]

haha as do i

[AlexB]

Dont ask for advice then if your gona argue with the results, i would listen to alex he knows a hell of alot imo

i dont really know that much

[blackie_2k5]

wasnt arguin m8 i think both of us missed abit in the posts haha, tbh i really want a vts but im only 20 anhave been running on dads ins since passin as i have 6 points, im gettin ar*e raped for ins on a vtr

[AlexB]

try a vts as a first car with all mods declaired ;)

i had it and payed through the nose

[blackie_2k5]

been driving three years m8 but with no noclaims its jus too much for me to afford, 3 of my points come off this june so im going to get a vts when my ins on the r runs out in oct, i'll then be 21 and only have 3 points so it will drop quite substantially, also if not i can then go with a flux under my dad still as htey dont allow anyone on parents policies till 21

[Sophia_Bush]

if you want a VTR to go similar to a S just look at the S2 rallye thats closer to the 16v that any other TU 1.6 8v mods ont hem make them go well to.

But if you want similar go strippaged tbs etc etc fat bird to throw at the s driver

[AlexB]

yea could work out
still though i bet your whinging over like 2.5k yea??

mine was just under 4k

[williamsvts]

are the vtr mods declared?

[blackie_2k5]

cheapest i seen was round 2.6k like jus too much when you consider moddin tax mot n then petrol and havin a life hhaah

[blackie_2k5]

only i havent declared yet is my alloys

[richt247]

source a half decent VTS engine and drop that in... then you have 120bhp and a lot more room for power modifications.

be about the same price aswell...

[JamesR]

i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.

[markl]

surely a vtr with them mods wouldnt be much cheaper to insure than a standard vts??

[williamsvts]

i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.

because if you are after more power its the best option.

[Steve]

simple answer is no
the vtr power deliver will be different

agree power delivery is totally different.

lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch;)

still wont rev like a VTS

that is of course answering your thread title.

with ph3's and a decent map even with a vtr box would match a VTS off the line through the gears.

Seen a few do it now.


BHP for money best to stick a VTS engine in.

[VTEC-Saxo]

i dont really know that much

Pah, dont pull your self down, your knoledge is admired:y:

[Roy-VTS]

comments saying sitck a vts lump in are pretty pointless when the lad who posted said he couldnt insure the 16v lump . . . .

[de4n0]

i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.

yes good engine, BUT still only 8v and only 93-98bhp so if power is what hes after the vts engine is the better and cheaper option than tarting up a vtr engine when its not even the bigest saxos have no ones faulting the vtr engine is good as is the 1.1...there all good but the vts is the fastest, get the s and chuck your money into that i say. and yes im guesing it will be cheaper for you because your not insuring these mods. in witch case you may as well drive around in a vtr with a vts un declared its practically what youd be doing. :n:

[Roy-VTS]

thinking about it if he cant insure a vts surely a highly tuned r lump will be on the limit as well . . .

[vtsRob]

Not being funny but at 19 i bought a mk1 vts, declared 4-2-1 manifold, full decat system, chip, induction kit, lowered etc etc

and had 1 years no claims, and it cost me 1900 with bell.co.uk. so i dont see where all these 4k quotes are coming from??? and yes i was main driver!

[VTEC-Saxo]

thinking about it if he cant insure a vts surely a highly tuned r lump will be on the limit as well . . .

Well i was only saying it because it would be pointless to do it to a vtr when you could drive it void insurance for a few months till you could afford it or w/e but your everyday pig aint gona know the difference in a vtr and s engine, thers loads of chavvy arses that get away with the 1.1 shit box 13 yr old corsas with c20let conversions n shit undeclared :( oh well up to him really, id rather save the money to buy a vts a a year or so when you could afford it legally, how much are 1.6 - 1.8 vtr stroker kits ?

[saxo_ron]

i reckon with the mods youa re planning you will match a vts. if not it will be close however as said the power will be delivered differently likely you would get away then the vts claw back. obviously we are talkign standard VTS. Either way your car would be a hell of a lot better / more fun to drive.

As said also strip it out and pick up some accelration there. I think everyone is presuming that your suspensiona nd brakes are sorted too, a well set up vtr would easily tick with an 's' on the twisties

[VTEC-Saxo]

Why polish a turd when thers a gold ring lying a few hundred pounds away

[Dasher_VTR]

i have a cammed vtr and had a go with a vts only started to pull away slowly at 95mph which you never need to go anyway. and it had an exhaust and other exterior mods guessing he had some sort of uprated induction too. and that was on an r box.

my cammed vtr is so much better to drive since i had it done and the power delivery is quite brutal compared to standard wheelspins in second gear at 4'000rpm lol

i made 122bhp on the rr since then added a supersrint mani so i'm probably close to 130bhp

[VTEC-Saxo]

i have a cammed vtr and had a go with a vts only started to pull away slowly at 95mph which you never need to go anyway. and it had an exhaust and other exterior mods guessing he had some sort of uprated induction too. and that was on an r box.

my cammed vtr is so much better to drive since i had it done and the power delivery is quite brutal compared to standard wheelspins in second gear at 4'000rpm lol

i made 122bhp on the rr since then added a supersrint mani so i'm probably close to 130bhp


Hmm, sounds good tbh, how much you think youv speant on performance mods like ?

[Dasher_VTR]

around a grand

before you say "you could of dropped a vts in for that"

this is more fun to drive than a basic modded vts. also i didn't want to spend a grand on vts conversion then another grand probably more on cams. i just wanted a tuned engine as i like characteristics you get from them. all i will say is i think the rallye head fits the vtr lump i wish i would of cammed that as they can chuck out 140bhp. but its about 200-300 pound more.

[VTEC-Saxo]

i wasnt gona say that lmao, i was expecting you to say cost more than that tbh, so your getting abotu 130 after speandin a grand, hmm sounds pretty good tbh i wasnt expecting the figures to be that high.. like a 50bhp increase 18 quid per horse

[Dasher_VTR]

yeah but i got the cams cheap and the manifold was a bargain. and labour was dead cheap as my mate done it. only thing that was expensive was the remap but it was worth it.

one of my mates thought it was alot, but then went to tell me that putting an exhaust system on his 200sx (that gets ragged within an inch of it life everyday) will add 25bhp

[VTEC-Saxo]

sounds good tbh "changes mind on s conversions"

[Dasher_VTR]

vts conversion is good is your looking at spending 2500 grand on mods. tbh i don't see the point on spending that on a saxo just on performance.

[williamsvts]

sounds good tbh "changes mind on s conversions"



why though, once you've done usual cam exhaust remap on vtr you get about 120ish hp???
anymore and you need to start spending loads. when you can get 150+ out a vts engine for similar money.

[Dasher_VTR]

why though, once you've done usual cam exhaust remap on vtr you get about 120ish hp???
anymore and you need to start spending loads. when you can get 150+ out a vts engine for similar money.

it's not similar money thought cos you have to drop in the vts lump first.

[williamsvts]

so 400 quid for a vts engine, which has alot more potential than the 8v.

[Roy-VTS]

vts conversion is good is your looking at spending 2500 grand on mods. tbh i don't see the point on spending that on a saxo just on performance.

silly statement i would spend it if i could ;) lol

[Paul]

yea could work out
still though i bet your whinging over like 2.5k yea??

mine was just under 4k

Same but for a VTR lol dropped 2k once i had 1 years driving xp and ncb

[Ryan]

it's not similar money thought cos you have to drop in the vts lump first.

with the 8v you are polishing a turd but its still a turd.

Why spend large sums of money trying to get an engine to 120bhp when you can spend a little bit more and have 150+ easy.

[Toad]

A lot of insurance companies won't even touch modified cars, especially with young drivers. So typically, a VTS will be cheaper to insure than a modified VTR. Also, rather than doing an engine swap, it would probably me easier to simply buy a VTS and sell your VTR...

[Steve]

comments saying sitck a vts lump in are pretty pointless when the lad who posted said he couldnt insure the 16v lump . . . .

cost more to insure a cammed VTR with remap.

Does for me anyway.

[ryhornvtr]

Basicly, it would be cheaper to get a vts engine in there.

Its also the better engine. I know vtr owners will defend 8v engines, but the 16v is better.

Anyway, why does the op want to cam his vtr when hes said hes getting a vts in the summer. Waste of time camming it imo.

[blackie_2k5]

Not being funny but at 19 i bought a mk1 vts, declared 4-2-1 manifold, full decat system, chip, induction kit, lowered etc etc

and had 1 years no claims, and it cost me 1900 with bell.co.uk. so i dont see where all these 4k quotes are coming from??? and yes i was main driver!

if youd read the thread m8 you would of seen that im only 20 with no noclaims and 6 points! hahha thats were the big quotes come in and as for most saying drop the s lump in, with mods i have declared it didnt shift much however with cams and a map i wnt have to declare as the ins comp wont be stripping my engine and gettin a mapper into my ecu to find out will they, but if i drop ans lump in its a tad different loking to an 8 valve for any poilceman or insurance company to notice isnt it.

[blackie_2k5]

with the cams on the group buy and map plus all my other mods i will have only spent bout800-900 on perfromance parts, and i can still insure it quite cheap, once sourced all parts for an s lump then try to insure im lookin at least triple that,

[AlexB]

tbh though afer it all youll have a modded car to insure
that may end up with a non standar engine

it will cost mre to insure a modded vtr than to insure a vts in mst cases

[VTEC-Saxo]

lol iv changed my mind again after looking at a few vtss on youtube :p LOL at ryan "polish a turd"

[blackie_2k5]

but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?

[VTEC-Saxo]

but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?

Fuck it stick a turbo on it :)

[AlexB]

you mean your not declairing mods to make it cheaper

you crash n ruin the rockercover (which i have done) and its suddenly obviose the cam isnt standard as newmans have the words sportcam stampe in them

[Toad]

but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?

That's just donkeydick. You've got points on your license already, and you don't want to decalre modifications on your car so it will reduce the cost? :wall: I think you've joined the wrong forum, as that type of behaviour isn't tolerated on here. If you can't afford to modify your car, don't modify it.

[AlexB]

well said toad

[vtsRob]

if youd read the thread m8 you would of seen that im only 20 with no noclaims and 6 points! hahha thats were the big quotes come in and as for most saying drop the s lump in, with mods i have declared it didnt shift much however with cams and a map i wnt have to declare as the ins comp wont be stripping my engine and gettin a mapper into my ecu to find out will they, but if i drop ans lump in its a tad different loking to an 8 valve for any poilceman or insurance company to notice isnt it.

People like you who make insurance expensive for us!!!

If you ha a crash and killed or injured somebody badly they will take apart and check EVERY nut and bolt to find you guilty and obviously your insurance WOULD BE INVALID no matter what you say YOUR breaking the law, yeah everyone breaks the law by doing 55 in a 50 but driving without valid insurance is what gives us genuine saxo drivers a bad name.

also if you have 6 points you should have learnt your lesson, this will sound very harsh but im sure people will see where im coming from.......

Just keep it as it is......Everything is legal, then buy a vts when you can afford it, its that simple.

[Dasher_VTR]

silly statement i would spend it if i could ;) lol

not really 2.5K on just the engine, then still got to get it lowered, uprated brakes and whatever else you want.

[Dasher_VTR]

so 400 quid for a vts engine, which has alot more potential than the 8v.

£400 plus labour and new parts unlocking ecu etc.

[CHIP]

Your all going on about tuning the R/fitting an S lump... But did you read this post of his?...


been driving three years m8 but with no noclaims its jus too much for me to afford, 3 of my points come off this june so im going to get a vts when my ins on the r runs out in oct, i'll then be 21 and only have 3 points so it will drop quite substantially, also if not i can then go with a flux under my dad still as htey dont allow anyone on parents policies till 21

Why not just wait till October then and put that money towards a VTS? Lol.

[VTEC-Saxo]

tbh one for ther own on this, dasher your car sounds pretty good to me and you like it so who cares anyone els who has the balls to attempt a vts conversion ther selfs, fair play :)

[CHIP]

It's all down to personal preference anyway. I'll just keep wishing for a Sagaris lol. If i ever get one (which i doubt) i'll die a very happy man.

[Dasher_VTR]

exactly.

[Slammed_Posi_Vtr]

Shouldnt have declared the points ;)

[Dasher_VTR]

you get blacklisted if they find out apparently.

[Ryan]

Shouldnt have declared the points ;)


like you yeah.