Pads for Hi-spec calipers (285mm) Racing only!

[Toad]

Hi peeps.

I need some help please. I'm about to order a lovely set of Hi-spec 4 pots, which come with all the parts needed for a full conversion. Anyhow, I'm at a bit of a loss with regard to brake pad choices.

I was planning to go for Ferodo DS 2500 pads, but AlexR has pointed out that these are not available for the 285mm Hi-psec calipers. I then considered Mintex 1155 pads, but AlexR pointed out that these weren't really all that. Now as far as racing pads go, the only other ones which come with the brake kit are Redstuff and Yellowstuff. I don't know what to do! :panic: Are there others that are just not listed with the kit? I'm lost...

[AlexB]

i think dannygti knows of a few that will fit

i think he was looking at carbone larraines for his

[Karl]

Arent they the same fitment as a Volvo V70 or something?
GreenSaxo knows the exact model.

[leeroybrown]

T5 wasn't it?

[raunchz]

Ive just got my hands on some hi-specs.

From looking at this: http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=8950.html

I had a search and think i'm going to end up going for a set of these for my hi specs:
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/m21/MINTEX/p696/MGB576-M1144-VOLVO/product_info.html?currency=GBP

Or just some standard volvo pads for like £10 for the time being.

People rave about 1144's so I'm thinking the above should be good! If i order them soon i'll let you know how i get on.

[Toad]

Thanks for the link. I didn't realise Mintex 1155 pads were not road legal! :panic: Just as well I didn't go for them, as I'm not taking my car off the road, even though it's barely going to be driven on the road. Hmm, this is interesting, I somehow need to find a road legal racing pad. Eeek. Help peeps.

[AlexB]

my pads arent road legal toad
as long as they d a certain force at low temp they will pass the mot and be fine

most of the declaration are for the us market

[Karl]

Carbon Lorraines arent for road use.

[AXracing]

I was planning to go for Ferodo DS 2500 pads, but AlexR has pointed out that these are not available for the 285mm Hi-psec calipers.

Ferodo are normal really helpful. They make tones of custom pads. Just give them a call on 01274 723481. Its a shame your not local to them as you could have just popped in.

[Toad]

my pads arent road legal toad
as long as they d a certain force at low temp they will pass the mot and be fine

most of the declaration are for the us market

I don't get it. If the pads are not road legal, then my insurance will be void. What's an MOT got to do with this?

[Toad]

Ferodo are normal really helpful. They make tones of custom pads. Just give them a call on 01274 723481. Its a shame your not local to them as you could have just popped in.

Thanks, I'll bare this in mind!

[Toad]

Carbon Lorraines arent for road use.

I don't know much about these. Aren't they something Kam has been plugging?

[Pat_Vts]

carbon lorainne pads are good

i like mine

[AlexR]

Get some pagids mate.

No race pads will be road legal.

[Pat_Vts]

how would the cops know if pads were illegal?! LOL

cant imagine bein stopped and asked to remove wheel and jack car up and remove brake disc so they can check legality of pads looool

[Toad]

how would the cops know if pads were illegal?! LOL

cant imagine bein stopped and asked to remove wheel and jack car up and remove brake disc so they can check legality of pads looool

If you have an accident, lot's of investigations can take place...

[Toad]

Get some pagids mate.

No race pads will be road legal.

Can you tell me anything about them? Is there a specific model I should go for?

[Toad]

I could always go for 1144s, and same a little cash, but is there anything better for track use?

[Pat_Vts]

If you have an accident, lot's of investigations can take place...

oh rite well, best no crash then lol

[Toad]

Found it:

DS2500s don't fit 285mm conversion, 1155s aren't really any better than 1144s, i've gone off them. DS2500s are a league ahead. Then again the pagids are better again and can be had in hispec fitment iirc, get RS14 or RS15s.

They're really that good are they?

[Toad]

The RS 15s look pretty mental actually. Interesting how both the 14 and 15s all work from cold too. I bet they cost a small fortune!

[dannygti]

righty..

pagid dont do pads for the hi spec calipers full stop. they have a pad that "could" be compatible with some modding.

hi-spec do sell the ferodo ds2500 but dont do the ds3000's wich i was after.

k-tec racing do the rc5 carbone lorraine pads but im unsure on the rc8 compound that im after.

mintex 1144 are great for road but can fade on track.
not tried 1155 on 4 pots so cant really comment althouh a friend who rallies really loves them.

if you want anymore info toad just ask. or if you find anything out let me know.

[GreenSaxo]

well. the pads are for a volvo 240 2.1 turbo. from 71-82 i think..

i find the cheap halfords pads are more than satisfactory for road use. work well from cold.

for the summer. when i tend to go on "drives" i have mintex 1144 which are good too.

[Toad]

righty..

pagid dont do pads for the hi spec calipers full stop. they have a pad that "could" be compatible with some modding.

hi-spec do sell the ferodo ds2500 but dont do the ds3000's wich i was after.

k-tec racing do the rc5 carbone lorraine pads but im unsure on the rc8 compound that im after.

mintex 1144 are great for road but can fade on track.
not tried 1155 on 4 pots so cant really comment althouh a friend who rallies really loves them.

if you want anymore info toad just ask. or if you find anything out let me know.

Thanks Danny. Your info disagrees with Alex's. Who's telling the truth? :) Maybe the DS2500 will do then... The DS2500 come with the calipers if I wish, and so do the 1155s. Either one will set me back £80 on top of the calipers, kit, etc. I believe the 1144s are around £45 more...

[Toad]

well. the pads are for a volvo 240 2.1 turbo. from 71-82 i think..

i find the cheap halfords pads are more than satisfactory for road use. work well from cold.

for the summer. when i tend to go on "drives" i have mintex 1144 which are good too.

I'm looking for pretty much track only, as my car will barely see the road now. Probably 1000 miles a year, tops...

[dannygti]

ive spoke to hi spec direct and apparently he had lots of ds2500 done some time back as they had to be specially made. id go for the ferodos over the mintex ones.

i do have the pad dimensions off hi spec so its possible to get in touch with a brake pad maufacturer and ask them if they can make some, they are very simple design anyhow.

[dannygti]

but like said in the thread toadus, if your going for a track hungry pad, most of them are not road legal.. so you need to decide now as it will limit your choice.

[AXracing]

Pagids are good pads. If your after all out bite have a look a the Ferodo DS3000 Plus. Or for out and out high temp performance DS2.11. Though really you don't need anything thing like that on a Saxo.

[dannygti]

Pagids are good pads. If your after all out bite have a look a the Ferodo DS3000 Plus. Or for out and out high temp performance DS2.11. Though really you don't need anything thing like that on a Saxo.

when i was looking into pads before, the pagid's were all good with flat torque throught the heat range wich is what you wat really.
its no good having .60 at 300deg if your constantly between 500-700 with .30 lol.

[AlexR]

My hispecs came with ferodos, they didn't fit properly, wore unevenly and started to fall apart, they also left a gap on the outside edge of the disc and overlapped the inside by quite a bit. Stew toal bought ferodos and wouldn't even fit them to his hispecs.

The billet 4 ferodo fitment for 285s is shit, they're the wrong shape and size.

Hispec list pagids so i'd presume they're available.

The mintex are a perfect fit, as are the EBC.

The halfords pads are utter wank, i managed to get mad fade just on the road with a standard vts engine, quite a few times too!

I also agree with AX racing.

BTW i think M1144s should be adequate.

[dannygti]

alex, im pretty sure you cant get pagids as ive spoken to hi-spec and that martin off northloop :( if they did do them in the rs15 id snap them up..
its unfortunate to learn the ferodos are a shit fit, they would be ideal for what toadus wants.

tbh, it doesnt look too great on the performance pad front unfortunately.

[Toad]

Thanks for all the info guys, much appreciated. :y:

So, it's looking like 1144s... Is there any benifit in getting the 1155s? Will there be of any benifit on the track? Or will the 1144s be tip top as long as I'm not going for crazy endurance malarky...

[Pat_Vts]

no offence toad but u get road legal pads u will always know the illegal ones were alot better than it?

just thinking ahead for u u will always know u cud av had brakes tht were abit better for ur money lol

[CampDavid]

Never had issues with 1144s.

Halford's ones give a little fade, but they are fine for road use in Winter time

[Toad]

no offence toad but u get road legal pads u will always know the illegal ones were alot better than it?

just thinking ahead for u u will always know u cud av had brakes tht were abit better for ur money lol

I'm sure there's some that are road legal that still are a race spec. The pagids for example (RS 14 and 15) all work from cold, so I would assume they are road legal, however, they cost a small fortune!

[Toad]

Never had issues with 1144s.

Halford's ones give a little fade, but they are fine for road use in Winter time

OK, looks like I'm going to go for the 1144s, with the 1155s being illegal...

[AlexB]

I don't get it. If the pads are not road legal, then my insurance will be void. What's an MOT got to do with this?

some wont pass the mot either as they just dont work when there cold

i asked on mine saying about my pads being silly n they said its probably for the american market and said it was fine

(sorry for the uber late reply)

[Toad]

some wont pass the mot either as they just dont work when there cold

i asked on mine saying about my pads being silly n they said its probably for the american market and said it was fine

(sorry for the uber late reply)

Hmm. I think it's time for Google... So in a nut shell Alex, you're saying that it doesn't matter if parts of your car a illegal, as long as it passes an MOT it makes it legal... ? Seems a little dubious to me.

[AlexB]

thats what my insureace (bell) said

they said if the work from cold to a certian extent (ie pass an mot test with cold pads) thy would cover it
even my calipers had warnings saying they werent for road use so technically my calipers are illegal


EDIT: note the little yellow tag it read along the lines of
this caliper is intended for racing use only

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/sk8r_95_2007/IMG_2349.jpg

[Toad]

Oh right. Good work Alex. :detective:

[Toad]

For feck sake Alex! Now that I can use the 1155s, I don't know whether to get them or the 1144s! You git. ;)

[eoey]

yellow stuff are decent race pads i know of a lad running them on a 500bhp time attack rx7 and have held their own through the championship. i know the green stuff are balls but for track day yellow stuff are good.

[Toad]

Right, I've gone for the 1155s in the end. Does anyone have any good bedding in recommendations? I've read that you should brake from around 60mph to 5mph as much as 5 or 6 times, applying enough pressure so it gets close to locking the wheels. Also you should never come to a complete stop if possible. You should then try higher speeds, from the likes of 100mph. Is it just me, or does this sound like fairly hard work for brand new discs and pads? I always thought you should pootle around for a while, not trying to apply much force at all.

[AlexB]

sorry man it had to be said

1155s will be pretty nice
im still loving my pads
shame i cant remember what they are lol

[Ryan]

toad see alexs bedding in posts on shed in technical sections, i belive its in fmps thread about his fucked scoob