Info :Oil cooler installation guide & info if poss??? [Archive] - Saxperience

Lippy

16th March 2009, 00:37

Just bought an oil cooler and braided hoses and a sandwich plate, been looking on the net for some answers but cant really find any info...

All of the above parts were from a highly tuned pug gti so hoping a straight fit, gonna get a garage to do it for me prob...

What I wanted to know if anyone can enlighten me?

Is a 13 row oil cooler sufficient if I wanted to cam, remap and poss throttlebody my VTS?
Will the braided heses be a straight fit from a pug gti?
The sandwich plate... i understand this controlls when the oil goes through the cooler??? can you get different types? thermostatic ones and non-thermostatic?

Any info or links would be appreciated too as I cant find a how to guide on here or much info...

Cheers
Lippy

williamsvts

16th March 2009, 10:33

Lippy

16th March 2009, 10:49

get a thermostatic 1, i would go for the rubber hose tbh, as at about 3k rpm the oil going through the pipes vibrates a bit and with braided hose it vibrates through the car if its touching the shell.

Hehe you again to the rescue! lol

Ive already bought the setup with braided hoses etc... not sure if the sandwich plate is thermostatic or not!? il have to look when it arrives!

Il wrapp the areas where it might touch the car with something! how can you tell if the sandwich plate is thermostatic?

frankie

16th March 2009, 10:53

you wont be supplied with a thermostatic one...

£47 from demon tweeks for a thermo....

pretty easy to fit one.

you'll need a vtr top rad hose to.

raunchz

16th March 2009, 11:03

I'm struggling to see where mines going to fit as there's very little room between the front bumper and the Vts fan cowling - seems to be the ideal place to fit it though.

I'm going to cut 2 holes next the the radiator, drivers side, and route the hoses through them.

Lippy

16th March 2009, 19:33

you wont be supplied with a thermostatic one...

£47 from demon tweeks for a thermo....

pretty easy to fit one.

you'll need a vtr top rad hose to.

EDIT : it was bought used from a 106 gti so might have a thermo!?

how come a vtr top hose? where does it connect to? ive seen them fitted in front of the rad and there seems to be quite a bit of room!

have you got one frankie?

raunchz

16th March 2009, 19:42

vtr radiator hose, as the vts hose has the heat exchanger lines on it - you'll ned to get rid of these to fit the thermo sandwich plate.

Lippy

16th March 2009, 20:03

vtr radiator hose, as the vts hose has the heat exchanger lines on it - you'll ned to get rid of these to fit the thermo sandwich plate.

can you not use a T piece after the radiator heat exchanger so that i warms up quickly but goes into the second cooler when too hot?

raunchz

16th March 2009, 20:06

can you not use a T piece after the radiator heat exchanger so that i warms up quickly but goes into the second cooler when too hot?

It's just complicating things tbh - I wouldn't fit more connections than needed especially with oil -if it leaks whilst on the motorway engine will break before you know it.

I'd fit the oil cooler as normal, and remove the heat exchanger by fitting a vtr top radiator hose, and replacing the head exchanger behind the oil filter with the sandwich plate for the oil cooler

Andy_K

16th March 2009, 20:08

Thanks for this thread btw. Was something I was going to ask as well, so saved me a job :y:

Lippy

16th March 2009, 21:30

head exchanger? sorry im an oil cooler noob and dont know what that is!

I understand that to bypass the standard heat exchanger you replace the VTS hose with a VTR one as that doesnt have a heat exchanger!?

I need to find out if my sandwich plate is a thermostatic one first I guess! Has anyone done a guide for this? would be a really useful one if it was done!

Any specific fittings needed to fit this if I have braided hoses?

Andy_K

16th March 2009, 21:38

Lippy

16th March 2009, 22:16

on the vts, where the oil filter fits, there is a plate with 2 pipes coming off that connect to the water return pipe from the radiator. This is the heat exchanger. I believe it acts as a rudimentary oil cooler (I could be wrong :P)

sweet so i go from there to my oil cooler and then back to there from my oil cooler! putting sandwich plate in between!

yeah been told the rad heats up the oil and cools but the heating is much better than the cooling! ideally you should use the rad to heat up and the oil cooler to cool down when above 80 degrees C i think it is!

raunchz

16th March 2009, 22:28

sweet so i go from there to my oil cooler and then back to there from my oil cooler! putting sandwich plate in between
yeah been told the rad heats up the oil and cools but the heating is much better than the cooling! ideally you should use the rad to heat up and the oil cooler to cool down when above 80 degrees C i think it is!

You remove the heat exchanger altogether. And put the sandwich plate in it's place.

Lippy

16th March 2009, 22:30

You remove the heat exchanger altogether. And put the sandwich plate in it's place.

oh so are they the same size and shape and you just replace one part with another?

is there anything else im gonna need apart from the vtr top hose? as im going scrappy's tomorrow morning???

cheers for all this info!

raunchz

16th March 2009, 22:34

Yeh it replaces it.

No other parts needed apart from a new oil filter as may as well put a new one one. The standard oil filter will fit fine. I would fit it with a thermostat for sure, would be silly without tbh for normal driving.

raunchz

16th March 2009, 22:35

I'd look to mount the oil cooler on rubber mounts as the oil cooler might fracture with the engine movement over time, specially with updated engine mounts!

Lippy

16th March 2009, 22:52

I'd look to mount the oil cooler on rubber mounts as the oil cooler might fracture with the engine movement over time, specially with updated engine mounts!

Oh yeah I have powerflex ones... forgot to mention that...

Rubber mounts, shall i get some radiator ones from the scrappy!? Would it really fracture!
I was thinking on mounting using steel strips which would be bolted through the area where the rad is mounted is that nbot a good idea?

Timlowthian

16th March 2009, 23:53

Brilliant thread this wanted to no all this myself so thanks learnt alot!

Lippy

17th March 2009, 01:52

seems like this thread info is needed by alot of people! I might have to write a guide if i get time

raunchz

17th March 2009, 07:51

Oh yeah I have powerflex ones... forgot to mention that...

Rubber mounts, shall i get some radiator ones from the scrappy!? Would it really fracture!
I was thinking on mounting using steel strips which would be bolted through the area where the rad is mounted is that nbot a good idea?

That's a good way of mounting it, but just add some rubber bushes either between the oil cooler radiator and the mounting bracket. They can fracture and leak after time when mounted straight onto metal, especially if there's movement in the brackets.

Lippy

17th March 2009, 18:41

That's a good way of mounting it, but just add some rubber bushes either between the oil cooler radiator and the mounting bracket. They can fracture and leak after time when mounted straight onto metal, especially if there's movement in the brackets.

sorry me again... I ordered a VTR top hose using the vin number from a mk2 VTR today got it from citroen £11.52... bunch of merchants! Doesnt matter if it was for a Mk1 or Mk2 does it?