Would this be suitable for ducting?

[dannyboy2005]

I want to move my induction from where my TB is, furhter towards the front of the car, for more cool air.

I don't want to spend ££££ on Silicon hosing, but i have found some 75mm (3") Ducting.

This is the stuff.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/1a/45/759c_12.JPG

I was wondering, when i do the hose clips up, the clips wont actually hold anythig because the metal around the tubing gives it strength as the rest is thin plastic

Here Is The Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-K-N-76mm-3-Cold-Air-Feed-Flexible-Ducting-1-Metre_W0QQitemZ250333252000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item25033325200 0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1686%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50)

I need some advice. I need 3" / 75MM stuff.

Thanks

[Matt67]

I reckon the engine would melt it mate.

[dannyboy2005]

Says Temperature Range is from - 60 *C up to + 150 *C

[paxo89]

iirc ribbed hosing isn't great for airflow

[Matt67]

iirc ribbed hosing isn't great for airflow

Yeah by looking at the inside of it on the picture, doesn't look very smooth in there.

[JamesR]

Ribbed piping = bad flow

Also the colour black attracts heat doesnt it.

And it doesnt look like it would be very durable.

[robert_waite]

I just fitted something similar to mine. From the duct in the grill around to the underside of the air box. Will let you know if it melts!

Black attracts heat from the sunlight and I think the bonnet may have that covered, plus all the ducting I ripped out (resonator etc was black)

There is some orange / pink coloured high temp stuff on ebay somewhere mate!

[williamsvts]

i have the orange stuff on mine. works fine.

[robert_waite]

Bugger, should have got that....will replace it when I smell burning. It is away from the engine though as it routes over the top rad pipe and down that way so will be fine I reckon (hope!)

[Lloydie]

Were can i get the propper stuff from cuz i wana get a new induction kit but with the pipes, to get it closer to the front for more cold air.

[spiderxjz82]

You won't get really any benefit from that at all. I have a full silicone induction and it's actually amazing. Was a prototype designed specifically for my car and I couldn't recommend it more. Way better than the BMC CDA or the K&N Typhoon & Pipercross VIS. [*Proven before anyone comments*]. Get silicone. Not plastic or metal.

[goodall3518]

it will just melt off....

buy bad buy twice :y:

[JoshB]

You won't get really any benefit from that at all. I have a full silicone induction and it's actually amazing. Was a prototype designed specifically for my car and I couldn't recommend it more. Way better than the BMC CDA or the K&N Typhoon & Pipercross VIS. [*Proven before anyone comments*]. Get silicone. Not plastic or metal.

Pics or your lying.

[dannyboy2005]

Silicon hosing is soooooo much money. I was thinking about metal ducting, IE. The sort of pipe from the Mainfold cover, to the air flow pipe on the old 1.1's.

Plumb Centre ftw and see what they say?

[Bickerton]

Maybe try a metal pipe instead?

[jimbo06]

Try posting in the wanted section/look in the for sale bit for some second hand silcone elbow, or have a look on ebay

[saxojamesb]

is that the hose they use on the piper cross viper

[Bickerton]

Also some companies on ebay that offer cheaper silicone hose, doesn't always have to be samco ;)

[dannyboy2005]

is that the hose they use on the piper cross viper

Yes, thats K+N hose, but i've also seen simular, which are piper cross.

[dannyboy2005]

Can you bend Silicon Hosing?

[JamesR]

Can you bend Silicon Hosing?

Yes, but not by a great deal.

[dannyboy2005]

oooooooooook.


So i'd need a Return, 90* Bend and a straight, then another 90* Bend...

1.1's are a different air filter set ups compared to other models

[dannyboy2005]

This is the hose i was going to get from Halfords:

Rip Speed Duct Hose (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_15 8887_langId_-1_categoryId_165660#dtab)

http://washford.scene7.com/is/image/Washford/539395?$prod$

But after reading the FAQ i just had to laugh.


How much more bhp does this give the engine?
It entirly depends on the engine of the vehicle and the performance/current condition that the engine is in.


Sorry, How can a 'hose' give more BHP??. I bet the Halfords team have questions like this every day. I bet they don't even know what their on about.

[JamesR]

Danny the above stuff is like tinfoil, you can crush it with a finger.

[dannyboy2005]

Danny the above stuff is like tinfoil, you can crush it with a finger.

Ohhhhhhhhhh

£8.99 for some Ali foil

Thanks for that mate, wouldn't had been impressed when it crushed in the hose clips.

[JamesR]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

£8.99 for some Ali foil

Thanks for that mate, wouldn't had been impressed when it crushed in the hose clips.

In my local halfrauds in always crushed, people pick it up, see its weak and test how strong it is, me being one of them. Its really weak / flimsy.

[spiderxjz82]

Pics or your lying.

This is quite similar to what mine looks like, but it's not actually my specific one. [This one is from the 1.4 16v engine]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/ape3542/A%20Proto%20IK/DSC01117.jpg

All inductions were prototyped for each engine. Most of the 206 engines have been done, so:
1.1, 1.4, 1.6 8v engines
1.4, 1.6, 2.0, 2.0[180] 16v engines

I'm not sure if any have been done for the diesels yet, but we all know dervs tend not to benefit a huge deal from inductions as they're not high revving.

The thicknesses of the kits are designed to increase laminar rather than turbulent air flow and create compression of the air going in. The filter on the end is just a standard cone filter.

Combined with a remap, the gti180 model of the 2.0 engine went from about 167 to 188bhp with both induction and remap. Not a bad increase really.

Anyway, I'm not saying any more. I'm fed up of validating the kits to thick headed individuals on my owners club site. Not saying you are one at all! I'm just fed up of the

[spiderxjz82]

P.S. No I can't find the dyno plots.

[spiderxjz82]

P.P.S. I meant to say originally I'm fed up of the arguments it causes.

Also, why the hell can't I edit posts?!

[Barry123]

P.P.S. I meant to say originally I'm fed up of the arguments it causes.

Also, why the hell can't I edit posts?!

because you've only got 52 posts I believe dude, don't worry it comes soon enough once you've established yourself in the forum or something :zainy:

very interesting about the silicone, this is what I've been bangin on about for agessss!

[spiderxjz82]

because you've only got 52 posts I believe dude, don't worry it comes soon enough once you've established yourself in the forum or something :zainy:

very interesting about the silicone, this is what I've been bangin on about for agessss!

Ah thanks, I get it now, thanks for confirming mate!

Silicone is one of the best air ducting materials due to the fact it has such a high resilience to heat, unlike metal! I can run the car round a track in high revs and still grab the induction pipe with no fear of being even mildly burnt. It's normally slightly warm, if that!

Can't normally say the same about a metal pipe! I actually DID nearly burn my hand on a friend's corsa's metal induction.

Hope my mate doesn't mind me using his pics, this is where the induction sits, best position for a 206, draws cool air from the bumper, then the thickness of the pipe does the rest with air flow:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/ape3542/A%20Proto%20IK/DSC01120.jpg

[JamesR]

^^^ the above looks dangerous, chances of water getting in that are very high imo

[spiderxjz82]

^^^ the above looks dangerous, chances of water getting in that are very high imo

There's a huge plastic sheet underneath running from the wheel arch to the underside of the bumper.

If you plan on going through puddles then yes I would suggest taking it off for the time being :P

[spiderxjz82]

By which I mean flood puddles.

[JamesR]

There's a huge plastic sheet underneath running from the wheel arch to the underside of the bumper.

If you plan on going through puddles then yes I would suggest taking it off for the time being :P

I can guarantee if you where driving along in the rain / on wet roads, it would get wet.

[spiderxjz82]

Had mine on for long enough, and it doesn't pull normal rain water through, yes if you go into large puddles from floo... oh wait refer to the end of #27

I give up.

[spiderxjz82]

I've found SOME of the RR readouts. All same day tested and run one an average, so no variance in humidity/temperature.

Book output:
BHP 90 HP
Torque 98 lb/ft

Standard airbox setup output:
Peak HP 100.3
Torque lb/ft = 103.0

BMC DIA output:
Peak HP 98.37
Torque lb/ft = 100.4

GSR prototype silicone kit:
Peak HP 103.3
Torque lb/ft = 105.0

[adam661]

ive seen these gsr kits on 206info from wen i had my 206 loads of ppl were raving about how good they r!!

[spiderxjz82]

Yep, that's the one matey.

[JamesR]

How much are the GSR kits? Do they do them, or is it possible to fit on a saxo?

[spiderxjz82]

Normally end up being anywhere between £120 and £170 depending on the engine in the 206, for the 8 valvers it was about £160 I think [including filter, fitting brackets and bolts]. Though I'm not sure how they would need adapting to suit a saxo.

I will post up how well the VTR engine does in my 206 when it's done!

BUT in the meantime I know www.performanceC2.co.uk MIGHT be looking at doing some soon. Contact the user CPH there, or post in the section that's called something like 'ask Pete a question' or something.

I'm not on that forum so I don't really know all that well.

He will most likely offer anyone a VERY good deal [sometimes up to 35% off] if they offer their car for prototype testing. Often results in a very good induction for under £100!

[spiderxjz82]

Alternatively I have no problem meeting someone near Northampton who have an 8 valve saxo to see how it would need adapting. Preferably someone who has already removed their airboxes and has an induction fitted.

[robert_waite]

This is mine with the ducting fitted. Seems fine, no way it will melt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/robert_waite/DSC01927.jpg

[dannyboy2005]

This is mine with the ducting fitted. Seems fine, no way it will melt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/robert_waite/DSC01927.jpg

Sweet

Dose the air filter go over the hose, or dose the hose go inside the air filter?

[gouldy87]

I want to move my induction from where my TB is, furhter towards the front of the car, for more cool air.

I don't want to spend ££££ on Silicon hosing, but i have found some 75mm (3") Ducting.

This is the stuff.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/1a/45/759c_12.JPG

I was wondering, when i do the hose clips up, the clips wont actually hold anythig because the metal around the tubing gives it strength as the rest is thin plastic

Here Is The Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-K-N-76mm-3-Cold-Air-Feed-Flexible-Ducting-1-Metre_W0QQitemZ250333252000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C arsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item25033325200 0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1686%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50)

I need some advice. I need 3" / 75MM stuff.

Thanks

this is very good stuff actually. its what ive got on my vts. the metal wire on the inside stops the engine from crushing the the ducting ( big problem i had ) when you have your foot down and the engine is sucking loads of cold air

[robert_waite]

I think it was the 60 or 63mm stuff from Mr Silicone on Ebay. It goes over the connection on both and I put a zip tie on for good measure. The metal ribbing does hold it very firm and it is the same diameter all the way round the bends. It can do a 26mm radius apparently?

I put the whole metre on and just threaded it round as shown.

It does feel fairly robust to be honest, I have to agree the metal stuff from Halfrauds is pretty shitty as I got some and nearly pulled it to bits stretching it out...straight in the bin!

I hope this helps someone, hence the pics.

The induction noise is a lot less than the open filter (obviously) but at least I have now lost my heat soak paranoia!

Rob