Serious thoughts on VTS Turbo Conversion

[DusheR]

I currently have a VTR and Im wanting to do a VTS conversion. I was thinking about getting a turbo conversion.

I have a good job and live at home so I thought now is the time I can blow silly money on my car :y:

Was thinking about getting a £3k loan. Would this cover the costs? I know that for that money I cant get forged internals etc so boost will only be 0.5bar or so.

Could I cam the engine for that money? What cam would be best?

I was hoping to get a tubular manifold, is there any you can buy off the shelf?

[Sparco_Tom]

cituning, dp engineering, gmc are 3 companies to investigate. i would personally get nearer £5k loan out to do it properly and make good power

[VtsTom]

If your doing it all your self on a piggy back style 5th injector setup then £3k MIGHT do it.

DP Engineering are usualy regarded as the best
http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/turbo_kits/component_package/tu_16v_compo.php

If you want a decent set up then the first thing you should spend money on is a stand alone ECU. Pred, Omex, Emerald, KMS etc

[DusheR]

Ive seen that kit before. Its like £1700 and that doesnt even include intercooler etc. I was thinking about sourcing the parts myself. Bit like sophia bush did, buying all the parts seperate. The £3k was for the VTS engine aswell, not enough?

Could anyone break down some of the costs involved?

[Ryan]

cituning, dp engineering, gmc are 3 companies to investigate. i would personally get nearer £5k loan out to do it properly and make good power

Id personally cross shitunning off the list and Use GMC/DP ONLY!

[saxokid100]

GMC is the way to go..........:y::p

[VtsTom]

Dont GMC now supply Dp kits? Or did i dream that?

[Alex_Oldroyd]

not including the engine pal, cituning do the entry level turbo kit for 1500 quid or full job lot for 2500. Dunno if that includes forged internals tho, if not then there an extra 800 but ull be running porsche destroyin power for under 5k. DO IT!!!!!

[JamesR]

Mate have you looked into cams,standalone ecu, and throttle bodies? would probably give a better gain than low boost imo

And about 3k would cover it :y:

[dannygti]

if you want boost then i think a better way for budget/reliability would be a s/c kit...
i do believe john from gmc could do you a basic kit fitted and mapped for little over 3k and that would be 200bhp.

[Ryan]

Mate have you looked into cams,standalone ecu, and throttle bodies? would probably give a better gain than low boost imo

And about 3k would cover it :y:

No it wont.

[JamesR]

No it wont.

Explain? I have read that low boost can give about 30bhp?

[dannygti]

Explain? I have read that low boost can give about 30bhp?

do you mean a low boost conversion or a shit conversion??


a chappy called lex done a turbo 1.4 8v on a budget of arounf 3-3.5k and he managed 180bhp and more torque than a boddied vts could wish for...and that was only a 1.4.

a descent low boost 1.6 16v with intercooler and proper management id be expecting it to be well over 200bhp.

[Ryan]

Explain? I have read that low boost can give about 30bhp?

And throttle bodies wont give more than 160-170bhp unless you are spending ALOT of money.

Its easy to get 200bhp boosted without spending alot of money.

Even low boost on a VTR engine should make more than 30bhp

[JamesR]

do you mean a low boost conversion or a shit conversion??


a chappy called lex done a turbo 1.4 8v on a budget of arounf 3-3.5k and he managed 180bhp and more torque than a boddied vts could wish for...and that was only a 1.4.

a descent low boost 1.6 16v with intercooler and proper management id be expecting it to be well over 200bhp.

Fair enough. I see why Cituning are called "shituning"

I was going by what i had seen them say in a magazine ad.

[Olly]

cams and throttle bodies ftw!

[Ryan]

cams and throttle bodies ftw!

If you want 160ish bhp.

[Olly]

edited, above but anyway, 160 bhp, can get that from cams like the ph3/708's and breathing mods, and other little bits

for £3k surely itdd be a better setup n/a than a real cheap boosted setup and nothing overly special.

[dannygti]

in all seriousness i really do beleive this setup can be achieved for around £2k'ish if you really searched around.....

and it has potential......


http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/projects/106_gti_turbo.php

[JamesR]

edited, above but anyway, 160 bhp, can get that from cams like the ph3/708's and breating mods, and other little bits

for £3k surely itdd be a better setup n/a than a real cheap boosted setup and nothing overly special.

Explain what these are?

I am interested :hug:

[dannygti]

edited, above but anyway, 160 bhp, can get that from cams like the ph3/708's and breating mods, and other little bits

for £3k surely itdd be a better setup n/a than a real cheap boosted setup and nothing overly special.

when you say, "nothing overly special" are you imlying that a 160'ish cammed, 708's, breathing mods engine is more special than a low boost turbo setup??


youd be hard pushed to get a genuine 160+bhp without boddies...

the setup i posted above could be had for about the same money with 10x more potential and would make for a MUCH MUCH quicker car.

[gd16]

Explain? I have read that low boost can give about 30bhp?

Yes - low boost can give about 30bhp.

VTR + s/c + 3psi of boost = 30/35bhp increase.
VTR + s/c + 7psi of boost = 70bhp increase.

From personal experience. I'd still class 7psi as low boost. Gains on a VTS will be similar if not more i reckon.

[JamesR]

Yes - low boost can give about 30bhp.

VTR + s/c + 3psi of boost = 30/35bhp increase.
VTR + s/c + 7psi of boost = 70bhp increase.

From personal experience. I'd still class 7psi as low boost. Gains on a VTS will be similar if not more i reckon.

I thought 6PSI was about the highest on standard internals?

[dannygti]

Yes - low boost can give about 30bhp.

VTR + s/c + 3psi of boost = 30/35bhp increase.
VTR + s/c + 7psi of boost = 70bhp increase.

From personal experience. I'd still class 7psi as low boost. Gains on a VTS will be similar if not more i reckon.

lol stu, 3 psi :P its not even worth getting out of bed for.....

[J222JRA]

Id personally cross shitunning off the list and Use GMC/DP ONLY!

i will second this guys comments.

[gd16]

edited, above but anyway, 160 bhp, can get that from cams like the ph3/708's and breathing mods, and other little bits

for £3k surely itdd be a better setup n/a than a real cheap boosted setup and nothing overly special.

3k on a throttle bodied setup to get 170/180bhp.
3k on a boosted setup to get 170/180bhp.

Then you decide you want another 20bhp+........

Now which one sounds better. Then one where you have to pay £2/3k+ in headwork and ECU, or the one you spend £1/2k on standalone and forged pistons and get a shitload more than 20bhp.

[dannygti]

I thought 6PSI was about the highest on standard internals?

far too many variables to decide that....


look at dp engineerings latest car, 106 gti with gt2871r, lots of goodies but on standard internals but using decompression plate and thats running at 1BAR and has 321bhp :P

[dj_russell]

my vts is going the boost way for deffo if i can keep the modding of it up and not get bored and if work keeps going aswell as it is. this weekend ive been out in my saxo and you just fall more in love the more you drive it and i cant stop watching vts turbo vids on youtube quite lately.

are ph3 cams fine with a boost setup????

[dannygti]

my vts is going the boost way for deffo if i can keep the modding of it up and not get bored and if work keeps going aswell as it is.

are mild ph2 cams fine with a boost setup????

dont need performance cams unless you are going for very high power...

ive seen 106 turbo with 340bhp with standard cams.:y:

[JamesR]

far too many variables to decide that....


look at dp engineerings latest car, 106 gti with gt2871r, lots of goodies but on standard internals but using decompression plate and thats running at 1BAR and has 321bhp :P

1 BAR is about 4 PSI isnt it? Thats impresive :p

Also what can you do with cams on a boost setup?

[gd16]

I thought 6PSI was about the highest on standard internals?

There is no limit - just the higher you go, the more likely it is it won't last. Keep inlet temps down, and getting it mapped properly and you'll have less problems. Also its not so much the boost that kills things on standard internals - rather the extra heat - eventually cracking the pistons.

lol stu, 3 psi :P its not even worth getting out of bed for.....

I know - put even that wee bit made a hell of a difference. I was just a bit too over-cautious with the size of restictor i got made to begin with. No restrictor with this build though :panic:

[Ryan]

edited, above but anyway, 160 bhp, can get that from cams like the ph3/708's and breathing mods, and other little bits

for £3k surely itdd be a better setup n/a than a real cheap boosted setup and nothing overly special.

Despite what the vast majority of sax-p seem to think, just bolting on a set of TBs wont give you 10-20bhp over cams.

708s/ph3s usually dont make more than 150-155 on rollers which are not known to read high.

[Sophia_Bush]

1 bar on standard internals is easy if mapped right and you dont get bored.

Cituning I would not buy the full kit but get the manifold and downpipe as a seperate then source the rest their manifold and dp is made by miltek a anyway so good bit of kit. All easily done within the 3k budget if you do alot of the leg work.

btw earmark £500 of that for a predator ecu plug and play no messing around then

[dannygti]

There is no limit - just the higher you go, the more likely it is it won't last. Keep inlet temps down, and getting it mapped properly and you'll have less problems. Also its not so much the boost that kills things on standard internals - rather the extra heat - eventually cracking the pistons.



I know - put even that wee bit made a hell of a difference. I was just a bit too over-cautious with the size of restictor i got made to begin with. No restrictor with this build though :panic:

overcautious lol.... did you put a solid restrictor in then drill it out to 5mm or something :p:panic:


i really cant wait till yours is running again, you need to get cracking on it rather than helping everyone else boost their cars lamo.

[gd16]

1 BAR is about 4 PSI isnt it? Thats impresive :p


1 bar = 14.7 psi

[Olly]

well the superchip from ebay for starters.

Good map for a start
Gasflowed throttle body, head, inletmanifold,(yeah breathing i know)
little things like regular serviving,
clean plugs,
oil catch tank(may help)

[JamesR]

1 bar = 14.7 psi

I meant 14, it was a typo :hug:

[gd16]

overcautious lol.... did you put a solid restrictor in then drill it out to 5mm or something :p:panic:

i really cant wait till yours is running again, you need to get cracking on it rather than helping everyone else boost their cars lamo.

lol - i thought it was actually a half sensible size. Sure i made it about 25mm or something. The one i was seeing 7psi on was about 35mm. Mouth of charger is about 55mm - but obviously being circular its a hell of a big difference.

25mm diameter = 491mm sq
35mm diameter = 964mm sq
55mm diameter = 2380mm sq :fcuk:

Car has seen more work on it in past 3 days than it has the rest of the year. I've heard promising things today that make me want to get my engine in the car - and i've got lots on order for me to fit next week on my week off.

[dannygti]

lol - i thought it was actually a half sensible size. Sure i made it about 25mm or something. The one i was seeing 7psi on was about 35mm. Mouth of charger is about 55mm - but obviously being circular its a hell of a big difference.

25mm diameter = 491mm sq
35mm diameter = 964mm sq
55mm diameter = 2380mm sq :fcuk:

Car has seen more work on it in past 3 days than it has the rest of the year. I've heard promising things today that make me want to get my engine in the car - and i've got lots on order for me to fit next week on my week off.

lol.. theres a big jump in flow, obviously theres more area in the outer part of the circle...


go on, spill the beans??

[bigcalturbo]

vts turbo conversion

low compression pistons and rods are 900
engine management quoted 1300
tubular manifold (decent one) 700
turbo can range from 300 - 1000 depending on what you want
intercooler and pipes 200
exhaust inclding custom downpipe 300
then you will have injectors, new gaskets oil pump water pump cambelt kit any head work your planning on doing flywheels, clutch, diff, brakes etc

hope this helps

[Olly]

3k on a throttle bodied setup to get 170/180bhp.
3k on a boosted setup to get 170/180bhp.

Then you decide you want another 20bhp+........

Now which one sounds better. Then one where you have to pay £2/3k+ in headwork and ECU, or the one you spend £1/2k on standalone and forged pistons and get a shitload more than 20bhp.

So the guy wants to buy a vts engine, with everything complete for conversion and everything needed for a boosted setup for £3k

If he's borrowing the money to do it he doesnt want to spend much more surely, so itdd be better in his situation for a little less power and stay in budget.

didnt say anything about future power increases. Yeah if you going to keep going then itdd be cheaper turbo and much better gains.

£3k budget i wouldnt go turbo, especially buying the engine aswell. Youu have to spend say £500 to get a decent low mileage engine with everthing for conversion, for a start, then £500 for the predator ecu, so £2000 left for either option. Tight budget. As said doing work yourself ive read can be done easily.

[dannygti]

he better buy some books and get reading then hadnt he ;)

[gd16]

Whole heartedly agree that on a strict £3k budget i wouldn't go for turbo. It can be done - but i personally wouldn't go for it with that little.

My point (and the position i have been in) was that once he's spent the initial £3k - which is going to be the easier to expand upon in future. If big power is what he eventually wants, then going towards the turbo side of things now with a low boost setup is best. Things cost enough as it is - you don't want to be buying things, then selling the complete setup at a later date to start from scratch going down a different route.

Personally i wouldn't go down the boosted route unless you knew longterm that you would be throwing £8-10k towards it - to get the worthwhile gains from doing it, as well as the ability to use it whilst maintaining reliability.

[Ryan]

vts turbo conversion

low compression pistons and rods are 900
engine management quoted 1300
tubular manifold (decent one) 700
turbo can range from 300 - 1000 depending on what you want
intercooler and pipes 200
exhaust inclding custom downpipe 300
then you will have injectors, new gaskets oil pump water pump cambelt kit any head work your planning on doing flywheels, clutch, diff, brakes etc

hope this helps

What managment as thats not cheap, andys ECU can be had for £500 so quite a saving.

[bigcalturbo]

i would say so lol its a long book if your doing it right dont forget teething problems as well guarenteed there will be some

[DusheR]

First of all thanks for the replys. I am serious about this but obviously money will be the issue. Power wise I was looking to get something around 170bhp+


in all seriousness i really do beleive this setup can be achieved for around £2k'ish if you really searched around.....

and it has potential......


http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/projects/106_gti_turbo.php

That looks good

1 bar on standard internals is easy if mapped right and you dont get bored.

Cituning I would not buy the full kit but get the manifold and downpipe as a seperate then source the rest their manifold and dp is made by miltek a anyway so good bit of kit. All easily done within the 3k budget if you do alot of the leg work.

btw earmark £500 of that for a predator ecu plug and play no messing around then

Yeh Ive been looking at that ecu.

vts turbo conversion

low compression pistons and rods are 900
engine management quoted 1300
tubular manifold (decent one) 700
turbo can range from 300 - 1000 depending on what you want
intercooler and pipes 200
exhaust inclding custom downpipe 300
then you will have injectors, new gaskets oil pump water pump cambelt kit any head work your planning on doing flywheels, clutch, diff, brakes etc

hope this helps

wow I was hoping to find some of those things for a hell of a lot less. hmm

Whole heartedly agree that on a strict £3k budget i wouldn't go for turbo. It can be done - but i personally wouldn't go for it with that little.

My point (and the position i have been in) was that once he's spent the initial £3k - which is going to be the easier to expand upon in future. If big power is what he eventually wants, then going towards the turbo side of things now with a low boost setup is best. Things cost enough as it is - you don't want to be buying things, then selling the complete setup at a later date to start from scratch going down a different route.

Personally i wouldn't go down the boosted route unless you knew longterm that you would be throwing £8-10k towards it - to get the worthwhile gains from doing it, as well as the ability to use it whilst maintaining reliability.

So you would say dont go down the turbo route?

What turbo would I need If I do? T25? Is there any car that would give a good donor turbo?

Could I build the turbo kit while the engine is waiting to be put it?

[Olly]

I currently have a VTR and Im wanting to do a VTS conversion. I was thinking about getting a turbo conversion.

I have a good job and live at home so I thought now is the time I can blow silly money on my car :y:

Was thinking about getting a £3k loan. Would this cover the costs? I know that for that money I cant get forged internals etc so boost will only be 0.5bar or so.

Could I cam the engine for that money? What cam would be best?

I was hoping to get a tubular manifold, is there any you can buy off the shelf?


Tbh, do the engine conversion for a start, then do the standalone management and your ready for either route you decide to take. iirc the last time i looked the predator ecu is being offered with free alerations to the map. So wouldnt be a problem mapping twice...

by the time youve got that far you may think i like my car as it is nice and nippy and put £3k aside for another day. :y:
or
Maybe buy a already boosted car? yeah i know its not the same and you dont know the history but it could be an option!

[DusheR]

yeh thats was kind of the plan. Get the engine in. Then start getting the parts.

Can anyone remember them turbo manifolds on ebay? sure they were only £250-300.

[Olly]

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217233&highlight=turbo+manifold

[DusheR]

I wish I had the money now. That kit would be canny by the sounds of it.

[bigcalturbo]

the standalone i will be using is a k3 the price is for the ecu loom fitment and rolling road setup and re setup once the cars run in

i maybe selling a kit efore long if a ad round here doent want it it put my vts to 182 bhp at 6 psi if its still for sale il let you know :D

[bigcalturbo]

as for the list thats just what ive paid from my own experience you could maybe source them cheper if you shopped around or waited

[DusheR]

the standalone i will be using is a k3 the price is for the ecu loom fitment and rolling road setup and re setup once the cars run in

i maybe selling a kit efore long if a ad round here doent want it it put my vts to 182 bhp at 6 psi if its still for sale il let you know :D

hmm cool rough price?

as for the list thats just what ive paid from my own experience you could maybe source them cheper if you shopped around or waited

Yeh what turbo should I go for? Intercooler etc Ill hunt on ebay

[Ryan]

the standalone i will be using is a k3 the price is for the ecu loom fitment and rolling road setup and re setup once the cars run in

i maybe selling a kit efore long if a ad round here doent want it it put my vts to 182 bhp at 6 psi if its still for sale il let you know :D

single plug ecu car? we might be getting an adaptor loom made up for my emerald to a single plug which im sure could get another one made up to sell you if you needed.

Whos doing the mapping as dave walker isnt a massive amount to map and the ecu isnt that expensive.

[ryanmt]

You can cut the costs significantly if you buy 2nd hand and diy stuff yourself.

I am intending to go low boost at some point, got a kms for £400, 200sx T25 for £40, clio injectors and 4.5bar fpr £10
good intercooler off ebay £60.
I built my own wideband controller from a kit £40
and the sensor was cheap off ebay brand new £30
got a few 2bar map sensors from turbo cars in the scrapper £5
boost gauge was £30 and an oil cooler came free with another car
sump i will modify myself.

I need an inter cooler piping kit.. can be had from scrappers off saab turbos etc and also you can buy a decent kit on ebay for £70 ish delivered.
Im only really struggling to get the manifold on the cheap.. had a few goes at it, an 200sx S13 manifold isnt too far off the mark...

oh and a decent clutch

[bigcalturbo]

its a place called jdm not far from here thats doing my mapping keep me posted on the loom tho mate as for the kit mine will have a vts manifold modified for the turbo t2 hybrid turbo fully reconed with 2 years warranty an a forge actuator large inter cooler and a dastek piggyback ecu and wiring 5th injector you will need to lower the compression either pistons or a decompression plate boost pipes and the oil feed for the turbo it pulled 182 bhp at 6 psi have a look at my project thread to see the bits looking for about £1000

[DusheR]

You can cut the costs significantly if you buy 2nd hand and diy stuff yourself.

I am intending to go low boost at some point, got a kms for £400, 200sx T25 for £40, clio injectors and 4.5bar fpr £10
good intercooler off ebay £60.
I built my own wideband controller from a kit £40
and the sensor was cheap off ebay brand new £30
got a few 2bar map sensors from turbo cars in the scrapper £5
boost gauge was £30 and an oil cooler came free with another car
sump i will modify myself.

I need an inter cooler piping kit.. can be had from scrappers off saab turbos etc and also you can buy a decent kit on ebay for £70 ish delivered.
Im only really struggling to get the manifold on the cheap.. had a few goes at it, an 200sx S13 manifold isnt too far off the mark...

oh and a decent clutch

Exactly mate. Thats what Im gunna try and do. So even if you spend about £300 on the manifold thats still only £1000. Then mapped and your laughing :y: If I could stick to about the same prices I could get all that, clutch, VTS engine, LSD etc for £3000. Would have to pull a couple of favours from my mechanic mates haha

[dj_russell]

i think ill source the bits all separately and be on the lookout once the cage and thats done even if it costs a bit more, at the time your buying them in bits so it wont be 3k+ in one sitting.

[DusheR]

Yeh hopefully I can just buy some of the parts with my weekly wage. Need to get a manifold sorted. What turbo should I get?

[bigcalturbo]

for the wat your after mate t2 should do fine (r5 turbos)

[BLACK-VTR]

not including the engine pal, cituning do the entry level turbo kit for 1500 quid or full job lot for 2500. Dunno if that includes forged internals tho, if not then there an extra 800 but ull be running porsche destroyin power for under 5k. DO IT!!!!!

turbo supplied and installed for 2500? thats wel good.

[dj_russell]

what worrys me is my knowledge of it all ill have to ask the pros im not keen on mixing and matching parts of other cars like some people on here have because theyve got the mechanical knowledge. somone was telling me to stick a cooper s supercharger off a mini onto mine like they did with their seat ibiza. i have no idea on this but prefer to work with parts that i know will go on the vts????

[bigcalturbo]

personally wouldnt go for one of the tubular ones of ebay for the most potential the pipes should be the same length

[DusheR]

for the wat your after mate t2 should do fine (r5 turbos)

Good stuff. What that max power from a t2?


personally wouldnt go for one of the tubular ones of ebay for the most potential the pipes should be the same length

ahhh right. Might have to splash out then.

[bigcalturbo]

200 - 250 at a guess mate just depends what psi you run it at

[DusheR]

thatll do :y:

[ryanmt]

personally wouldnt go for one of the tubular ones of ebay for the most potential the pipes should be the same length

thats true, but in reality your looking at 250bhp+ where the manifold starts to be an issue, you could see 200bhp on the standard one cocked up with a turbo flange on it.

[DusheR]

thats true, but in reality your looking at 250bhp+ where the manifold starts to be an issue, you could see 200bhp on the standard one cocked up with a turbo flange on it.

Is that what your going to do? What about the 200sx manifold? I heard someone talk about that? Can you make them fit?

[Sophia_Bush]

make anything fit if you can weld

[bigcalturbo]

ive got a 200sx manifold not to dear just need to get a stainless flange made which i havent managed to find yet relativly simple think its the outer two pipes that need pulled in am thinking of saving and getting a dp engineering one

[ryanmt]

http://cabletiemotorsport.com/gallery/gallery/thumbcache/large_5dd0380e1bfd3945df11cb0dcc93d96e.jpg

As above, the pipes need pulling in a tad, the S13 may be better than the S14 we've not tried. It comes very close to the head, possibly to the bonnet.

Turbo would sit the opposite way round to most, ie air filter on the alternator side, downpipe on the gearbox side.. which is a bit better as you wont melt the alternator

[bigcalturbo]

where did you get your stainless flange from?? why would the turbo sit the opposite way?

[ryanmt]

we were gonna sit it the opposite way cause of the position of the T25 flange, if you have it with the downpipe on the alt side its too close to the block, or slam panel.. cant remember lol.

T25 flanges can be had off ebay.. check american ebay too. Not had the head flange made yet but my mates got a milling machine so will probably knock a few out at some point

[bigcalturbo]

hmm youll have to give me a shout when your doing some :D dont thik my down pipe was that clos but its been a while since it was running so...

[DusheR]

make anything fit if you can weld

I can :y:

Not so good with the TIG, MIG or MMA I can do

ive got a 200sx manifold not to dear just need to get a stainless flange made which i havent managed to find yet relativly simple think its the outer two pipes that need pulled in am thinking of saving and getting a dp engineering one

hmmm yeh, they cost a canny bit though. Can you just modify the VTS manifold? Ive seen the VTR manifold done.

[bigcalturbo]

il sell you my kit if you want mate? vts manifold modified for the turbo, t2 hybrid turbo fuly reconed, dastek ecu and wiring, intercooler, steel rods, 5th injector, upated fuel pump if your interested send me a pm pal

[Tony]

Good luck with this, it'd be interesting to see a turbo project go the distance these days.

But if you want my 2 pence then you'll probably spend an age (along with an arm and a leg) getting it together and running only to realise that you should have bought a faster car in the first place. Some people have chucked big money in to Saxos and like them you shouldn't expect to see anywhere near the amount of money that you spent back.

Love Tony, the eternal optimist ;)

[bigcalturbo]

i agree with tony on this ive spent a fortune on mine so far and still more to spend but once its done i doubt il let it go as its my own creation if that makes sense get in touch mate

[DusheR]

tony I know where your coming from. But I like my saxo. Ive had 2 car previous that I just didnt bother modding for power as I knew it was a waste of money. But a cheeky vts engine would do me for now. Then when you get used to the power... you know the rest.

What mods have you done to get 113bhp? I want mine RR'd

[Tony]

GMC Manifold, Green Enclosed, Full Magnex.

Only time would tell whether I am right or wrong.

[chrissawyer21]

tbh if your needing a loan to do the work it will not be worth it. The increased insurance, fuel consumption and higher possibilities of failure it doesnt seem like a sensible option financially if you require a loan.

:panic:if you do take out a loan and tbh atm would you get the loan if you said you were using it to turbo a car given the current economic state?

[DusheR]

tbh if your needing a loan to do the work it will not be worth it. The increased insurance, fuel consumption and higher possibilities of failure it doesnt seem like a sensible option financially if you require a loan.

:panic:if you do take out a loan and tbh atm would you get the loan if you said you were using it to turbo a car given the current economic state?

eh, who has £3k knocking about in their back pockets like?

Think Ill use this new technique called a lie :y:

[gouldy87]

i agree on this one tbh. i would not get a loan out to turbo or get bodies for my car. imo i would save up the money and then get the work done. plus running boost on a saxo your just asking for it break down all the time so issues with getting to work and the cost of repairs etc

[bigcalturbo]

depending on what you spend the money on and if you get the right bits theres no reason why it should breakdown :s as for the saving up its upto him a the end of the day if he cant save or wants it done now a loan is ideal if he isnt bothered about a time limit then saving would be the way

[Tony]

I admit that I do hear problems of boosted Saxos but people have problems with Saxos anyway and a nicely set up conversion done by say GMC should be ok. Besides people only make a thread when something is wrong, there are rarely any 'Just to let you know my boosted Saxo is running fine' threads.