piper bp285s question

[dj_russell]

now my cars been done by lad motorsport the spec list of the engine is this:

k&n induction(standard filter now and runs better with no flat spots)
lad evolution cams
lad port & polished cylinder head
superchip and custom remap
spitfire plugs
uprated gearbox bearings
uprated gearbox mounts
uprated engine mounts
lad clutch
janspeed 4-2-1 manifold
magnex full ss system
decat

now time and time again ive heard how thier claims are a joke so ok, if i were to me some piper bp285s cams would itbe worth it??? compaired to my fairy dust lad ones running 180-185bhp lmao????this is a serious question that id like the pros to answer and if i were to run my saxo on these is it all fine with the current mods and what gains could i expect if any or would the car feel the same or do i need even more engine work to cope as lads mods are as good as not being done ??? car performs excellent as it is but id love it to be even more responsive and knowing my car really is cammed.

so
1)is it worth it with my current mods
2)cam belt/waterpump wants changing anyway so may aswell all be done at the same time
3)what REAL gains would i get with the current mods, it fends off some of the big boys as it is but id seriously love to get some real cams.

cheers
jim:y:

[Ryan]

piper 285s are similar to 708s/ph3s. So with the headwork id expect it to be around 160ish give or take a few bhp

They are not wild by any means :P

[craig180]

I sold my old LAD cams and bought 708s. Didn't tell any difference. 708s came out as well as the bodged remapped ecu and it runs better now with less power than it did before!

[dj_russell]

it runs like a dream tbf no issue with how it runs at all. would my car run quite lumpy with them??? at the minute i must admit jayluis vts off here runs so much more lumpy compared to mine mines almost like standard and pretty much sounds it on tickover untill i hold the accelarater on a little then you can hear the "missing sound" but compared to jays its smoothe as can be but slightly more lumpy to standard.

id be more inclined i think if i got a rr readout of mine, im just guessing that mine could be around 150 with how well it performs.

how wild can i go with cams that are still drivable on road. its just that i may have the opportunity to get hold of the 285s.

[dj_russell]

the offput on these lad cams is what i read on the san remo that the cams aint even been changed although it says they have on my paperwork have they just pissed about with the timing.

[dj_russell]

saxo180 i know you had the rip off lad work done what was yours running with both???

[Ryan]

you cant go much wilder than the 285s unless you want to machine pistons or go forgies, + then need TBs in order to maintain any decent running in most cases.

Get yours on an independant set of rollers, see what power it makes if its around 150ish then theres no point going for 285s.

[dj_russell]

also what mod is next if i didnt bother with the cams is it really just a case of tbs or turbo after that??

cheers

[dj_russell]

you cant go much wilder than the 285s unless you want to machine pistons or go forgies, + then need TBs in order to maintain any decent running in most cases.

Get yours on an independant set of rollers, see what power it makes if its around 150ish then theres no point going for 285s.

ok cheers guys for your help i know of a rolling road about ill give the guy a shout.

[Ryan]

also what mod is next if i didnt bother with the cams is it really just a case of tbs or turbo after that??

cheers

If going boost then you may need a milder cam unless spending huge money to run a crazy set up.

Only next step really NA is to ditch the standard inet manifold and TB

[dj_russell]

as youve said before turbo out weighs tbs down to purely once youve got some more cash after a setup and want more power. so looks like all that can be done now is weight saving, get the bits sprayed on it,cage buckets and the odd bit then to just save for a turbo kit.

cheers again

[Ryan]

as youve said before turbo out weighs tbs down to purely once youve got some more cash after a setup and want more power. so looks like all that can be done now is weight saving, get the bits sprayed on it,cage buckets and the odd bit then to just save for a turbo kit.

cheers again

If turbo was the better option I wouldnt have the engine I do. Im not worried about the most power, which is why I didnt go boost. Turbo cars can be slower round a track for example where mines built for spending its life. (insert it being broken joke)

Boost is just more economical if chasing big power as you can see well over 200bhp

[dj_russell]

thats what id like to eventually get start small and running 170-180bhp boosted and go from there. cheers for your help never realised yours was n/a. that vtr must be rapid.

[craig180]

saxo180 i know you had the rip off lad work done what was yours running with both???

Unfair comparison because there were a few problems before the change but 126 from LAD and 152/153 with 708s

[dj_russell]

ay congrats on your feature dude, just spotted fast car in the service station on the way home from the job had to buy it to have a read of your saxo looks fucking awesome mate.

im waiting for the guy to get back to me on the cams im wondering wheather to risk it and go for it its tempting.

[Ryan]

im guessing the cams are elliots? Bullit? hes a genuine member atleast

[dj_russell]

yes those are the ones, and yes he seems a genuine good bloke he could of said yes will run fast as fuck just to sell them to make some cash but hes telling me its not worth it himself sorted a rr day for it. from somone who has nothing to gain from lies.

[makaveli144]

I used to have piper 285 cams, Made 153bhp at the fly with btb system and green induction.

[dj_russell]

are lads cams actually real?? this is my question can you see them in your hand the same way as you can a piper before they go in?? or are they just a bit of fettling with the timing lol.

[JoshB]

I'm sure with the LAD conversion they just fettle (i love that word) with the timing, dont think they replace the cams.

[dj_russell]

my paperwork discribes stripping down the engine, removing cylinder head, port and polishing and doing the inlet and changing cams rr setup cost of just that was 1660 does that sound about right??

the san remos lad 160bhp saxos only had headwork and adjustment of timing so i am told the 180bhp conversion was actual cams etc....

[n123]

this cams can be mounted with oem followers and springs ? is their performance similar to Ph3 or 708? which of the 3 is the better cam?

[craig180]

I'm sure with the LAD conversion they just fettle (i love that word) with the timing, dont think they replace the cams.

They reprofile standard cams