Is VTEC overrated?

[Tommo87]

As the title says.

I mean don't get me wrong i love my VTEC but is it better to have a 'normal' engine which makes good torque throughout the range but lacks top end power and bad economy or lacking torque but makes excellent top end and has decent economy? I mean in order for my Honda to feel alive i need to be over 6k rpm and that's a pretty tall order usually on the roads.

[Pieface]

VTEC y0.


Had to be said.

[Ryan]

All personal choice.

Personally I dont see the hype behind it tbh. WHich is why I dont own a honda (appart from the fact they mostly are fucking ugly)

Much as how a boosted car owner might not see the hype behind any NA car etc...

[LeeM]

vtec is a figment of your imagination....
honestly i dont like the characterstics oh civic type r engines (only honda vtec i have experience of) too much revs for my liking.

[Ryyy]

Wouldn't mind owning an Integ Type R

Jazz360 owns one iirc, ask him.

[gouldy87]

im not fan personaly and for somw reason everyone who has a car with v tec on it seems to think its the fastest car in the world

[Furio_Matt]

It's all about mivec tbh ;p

[Tommo87]

Don't get me wrong they're an amazing feat of engineering but it sometimes gets a bit tedious having to go to above 6k all the time.

The thing with VTEC (especially the b-series) that gets people hooked is the noise change between the low lift and the high lift profiles which isn't so apparent on the newer k,f or h series engines.

[Barry123]

It's good in terms of doing a multitude of tasks, but at the expense of doing all those tasks well.

below VTEC you've got a quiet and relatively economical (with respect to the power it produces) engine, above VTEC you've got a sporty engine, but gobbles fuel a lot more compared to a normal engine of the same output.

also driveability is compromised a tad as it has that turbo lag transition (without the lag, you just have to wait till you hit VTEC before it kicks in)... but it's nowt to worry about or get fussy over.

[Tommo87]

It's all about mivec tbh ;p

Lol, MIVEC is even worse.

[Furio_Matt]

Lol, MIVEC is even worse.

Oh don't deny it. You share the love for MIVEC too :afro:

[Aaron]

my sig says it all

[KamRacing]

VTEC does exactly what its supposed to. It makes a 'performance' engine drivable day to day, giving better fuel consumption and throttle response low down the rev range yet still giving good power when needed. You can then use a more peaky camshaft lobe for the performance, which is why they give good power but you have to rev it hard to get it....
Ryan manages to drive his car hard above 6000rpm so I dont see why VTEC owners cannot :P

[Ryan]

Wouldn't mind owning an Integ Type R

Jazz360 owns one iirc, ask him.

No he drives a taxi (accord) :D

[Ryyy]

No he drives a taxi (accord) :D

Yes thats the one..

[webby]

I have a friends dc2 type r in at the minute with a loud exhaust and loud induction kit its quick you cant take that away from it but my god it attracts alot of attention and the noise increase on the change over is defening. and by the time you are in 3rd and on the vtec you are doing very illiagle speeds. so my personal opinion is they are overrated. i would much prefer an engine with low down grunt.

[Bickerton]

I have a friends dc2 type r in at the minute with a loud exhaust and loud induction kit its quick you cant take that away from it but my god it attracts alot of attention and the noise increase on the change over is defening. and by the time you are in 3rd and on the vtec you are doing very illiagle speeds. so my personal opinion is they are overrated. i would much prefer an engine with low down grunt.

Can get illegal speeds before 3rd gear without vtec ;)

[Steve]

personally think so yes.....
Used to like the hype but after being in a couple, felt a little let down to be honest.
Sounds fecking mint though.


depends if you can drive the cars properly to whether its worth it or not.

[steviee90]

my friend has a dc2 integra type R, its absolutely nuts and when it hits VTEC, its a real kick and the sound from it is amazing, honestly it sounds as though someone has just turned on gran turismo and put the volume up full, honestly, the noise is unbelievable

[VTSTomE]

Most cars will be doing illegal speeds if flat out in 3rd id have thought!

[Ryan]

I think im one of the few people who doesnt like the noise. Vtec sounds like a hairdryer on TV with the volume at full blast :D

[bytor]

VTEC is just for good fuel economy lower down and then a load of power at the top end.
No track car in the world will have some VTEC crap on it because its useless.

If you want good fuel economy get an oil burner. Instead of squeezing all the power into one lump at the end of the rev range, like an oil burner.

As above jap cars are ugly!

[goodall3518]

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[webby]

by the time its on vtec at 6k you are doing very illiagle speeds.
its fun the first few times then you relise all your money is going in the tank. and everybody knows that it is driven by a bell-end because to be on vtec all the time you have to drive like a loon. and you get labeled as such with the local five-oh. and get stalked.

[Grand_Champ]

I dont think they are. Proper Type R's are designed for track use and when your on a track your at full throttle. Altho I think the lack of torque is overated to as having drivin some turbo cars you get turbo lag at low rpms despite all the torque. You dont get this in a type R. Bottom line is if you dont like it your not trying hard enough :P

[Ryan]

I dont think they are. Proper Type R's are designed for track use and when your on a track your at full throttle.

If the type R (proper ones) why do most race engineers ditch vtec? Food for thought? ;);)

[Mr_X]

Most cars will be doing illegal speeds if flat out in 3rd id have thought!

totally missing the point mate.

[Jazz]

Thing with VTEC is that its an acquired taste, and it won't please everybody. My taxi (accord) has one of the older-school H22A7 VTEC engines which has a much more prominent second cam profile engagement (or just hitting the VTEC zone y0, as some might say) and I enjoy it far more than the newer Civic Type R's, which in comparison almost seamlessly go into VTEC. Below 5800rpm its just like any other 2200cc 4 cylinder engine, nothing more nothing less. You can drive around in relative ease and achieve respectable fuel economy figures. But then as soon as you hit the 'z0ne' you get a sharper noise and an added kick in power. Provided you change up fine, you don't drop out of it either.

On track its brilliant as you're usually thrashing a car there anyway. On the road if you want to hustle on sometimes you find yourself having to drop a few gears to access the power.

Also to add the whole idea of varaible timing is not only used in VTEC, but in many, many N/A cars.

I like it a lot, although admittedly next time I'll be going for a well set up boosted car simply for more power throughout the range. For a N/A engine though, you can't really knock VTEC, even i its just for the peak power figure. The noise pleases a lot of people too, many on lookers at Japfest commented on how nice the revvy hondas sounded besides the big run of boosted cars.

[MiniGibbo]

Vtec sounds awsome.

Yet vtec imo is massivly over rated

Matt.

[kcsaxo]

TBH i was very disappointed when i test drove an EP3 civic-r, for 197bhp my mates 2ltr alfa with 150bhp had more pull through the revs than that VTEC engine. the only positive note is the engine sound when the cams come in and that little bit of extra poke, other than that i feel that all those years of hype let it down.

having said that i would still own a honda if the DC5 and s2000 was in my price range.

[dj_russell]

im dissapointed how the ek9 vtis perform with 158 bhp as standard very dissapointed with my mates one with quite a few mods apparantly taking it to nearly 170bhp my saxo made it look like it was a 1.0. i totally wasnt expecting it at all and neather was he.

that said ive always loved the civics and integras and id have either still but the civic would have to be an extremly rapid one after what i witnessed.

forgot to add i did see a boosted ek9 vti go last weekend that was a totally different kettle of fish in comparison to the vti with 170bhp, and this had about 250bhp aparently that was awesome.

[AM4R]

I dont think it is. It does what its supposed to do. Be fast when you feel like it aka revving the shit out of it and is a comfortable day to day driver.

[kcsaxo]

dude the vti-s comes with 167bhp as standard so im not sure if your mate actually did anything to it, and also 60 times is at around 7.6 which is a let down. however the JDM ek9 is a different all together.

[Mieran]

im dissapointed how the ek9 vtis perform with 158 bhp as standard very dissapointed with my mates one with quite a few mods apparantly taking it to nearly 170bhp my saxo made it look like it was a 1.0. i totally wasnt expecting it at all and neather was he.

that said ive always loved the civics and integras and id have either still but the civic would have to be an extremly rapid one after what i witnessed.

forgot to add i did see a boosted ek9 vti go last weekend that was a totally different kettle of fish in comparison to the vti with 170bhp, and this had about 250bhp aparently that was awesome.

EK9 and VTI are 2 different things.

EK9 = TypeR
VTI = EK4

[gouldy87]

used to work with a lad who had a 1.6 civic sport the new shape one. that had v tec. he was the same and thought it was the fastest car apart from a type R. he used to mutter on about how it was faster than my vts etc.... and how amazing v tec is etc.....

by his point i had mastered the "nod and agree tecnique" and i just said yes to everything he said about his car.

[jimbo06]

personally i think its mint (well in most forms of the vtec variants anyway) but you do have to know how to drive them to 'get them going', plus there are ALOT of mods out there for them and if looked after are bullet proof.

I can see where people who dont like them come from though, as said people with boosted cars normally cant seem to enjoy NA's ect

[Mieran]

I think the other thing that gives Honda a bad name is some of these n00bs that talk shit most of the time.

[Tommo87]

dude the vti-s comes with 167bhp as standard so im not sure if your mate actually did anything to it, and also 60 times is at around 7.6 which is a let down. however the JDM ek9 is a different all together.

However if you've driven a totally standard ek9 i'm sure you'd be disappointed (i know i was) as the 0-60 of 5.6seconds is absolute rubbish i'd be as likely to get to 60 in 5.6seconds as an stock ek9,they really aint that quick.

[kcsaxo]

haha 5.6 is bollox i agree, more like 6.5 on a good day since the DC2 with 189bhp only manages 6.2.

[Ferg]

I'm not a huge fan ...

I'd have an EP3 if someone gave it to me.
I'd love an EK9. Sounds like a hurricane under the bonnet.

[Ryan]

I'm not a huge fan ...

I'd have an EP3 if someone gave it to me.
I'd love an EK9. Sounds like a hurricane under the bonnet.

Fit the damn tbs ferg, you will then see that Vtec isnt that cool sounding :P

[Ferg]

Once I've got Pred ECU, I'm getting those AT Bodies. Help with fitting please kthxbi.

Still need passenger lap in yours, haven't heard bodies in full chat IRL.

On Topic ~ I'm not a Vtec hater but EP3 drivers need to learn to drive. Only had one quicker than me on track and it was on TB's.

[Ryan]

Once I've got Pred ECU, I'm getting those AT Bodies. Help with fitting please kthxbi.

Still need passenger lap in yours, haven't heard bodies in full chat IRL.

On Topic ~ I'm not a Vtec hater but EP3 drivers need to learn to drive. Only had one quicker than me on track and it was on TB's.

EP3 drivers I like their excuses :D

When mines running welcome to enjoy a few laps dude.

TBH most people wouldnt even know about vtec/hondas if it wasnt for the F&F imo

[Mieran]

Looks wise imo the EP3 is one of the best looking hatchbacks.

Its one of them cars that I will happily drive without any modifications, it looks perfect when it rolled out of the factory.

[Heliosphan]

I had a Civic Jordan (EK4) and to be honest after about 2 weeks the novelty wore off.

Peaky power delivery and little torque makes for a terrible day to day drive. I found myself having to drop down 2 cogs and put my foot to the floor in order to pull away at a reasonable pace. It does get very tiring after a bit. I had a Vts at the time and I much preferred the Saxo.

Never driven any model of Type R which I know is a different beast to the EK4 but to be honest, I'm not bothered, I'd rather have a turbo anyday.

[Ferg]

Yeah I'd love that Ryan. If you and Alex need any help or another pair of hands with anything just give me a shout. I'm off until the end of summer now.

Agreed about EP3's looking nice. Lovely looking cars. Could easily turn up to a track day totally standard and do very well if driven well.

[Ryan]

Yeah I'd love that Ryan. If you and Alex need any help or another pair of hands with anything just give me a shout. I'm off until the end of summer now.

Agreed about EP3's looking nice. Lovely looking cars. Could easily turn up to a track day totally standard and do very well if driven well.

See the styling for me ive never been a fan of.

The S2000 was prob the best styled car honda have made in the last 15 years, the civic has never done anything for me tbh.

[Ferg]

DC2/5 > S2000 for me.

[CampDavid]

I don't know how highly it's rated.

The thing with a VTEC lump is that it's designed to do 250,000 miles with long service intervals, work around town and spin up to 9000RPM. As a standard lump it's pretty epic. By comparison any VTS lump hasn't a chance, even one like Ryan's

On the flip side I find them a bit too souless. There's a dull exhaust not which can be made louder with some kind of Spoon effort.

Great engine for a daily driver but not amazing

[Ryan]

DC2/5 > S2000 for me.

dc5 is a massive improvement over the civic thats for sure...

Donno why they just allways have looked cack imo lol!

Matts should be back from the bodyshop soon :D

[Mieran]

Civics

EP3 > FD2 > FN2 > EJ1 > EM1

Rest of Hondas

NSX > S2000 > Integra > Civic

All imo of course :P

[Tommo87]

Civics

EP3 > FD2 > FN2 > EJ > EM (had to remove the last 2 numbers as the first 3 are type-r)
What about the EG,EF,MB,EK

[Mieran]

What about the EG,EF,MB,EK

MB6 = sleeper(ish) but not a fan of the shape.

EF = too old.

EK = they look ugly standard.

EG = they look nice on a set of rota rims and slammed on coilies :afro:

[titchster]

Sure I read on the type-r forums that Honda add a bit of a bad map a few revs before VTEC so that the kick and noise change is more noticeable, all as part of the whole gimmick of it.

It works in a similar way VVTi in Toyotas for example, yet you don't get the same kick in them. Yes, it's overrated, in that the kick you get etc, but the way it works, and what it does is great IMO.

[Grand_Champ]

If the type R (proper ones) why do most race engineers ditch vtec? Food for thought? ;);)

Because ultimately they are a road car and need to be reliable/economical ;)

[Tommo87]

Also race teams that use a vtec block tend to use VTEC killer cams which are crazy.

[maddison_vts]

having driven quite a few hondas and been out in a few i do think the vtec is overrated.

they never feel quick because the power delivery is so gradual, the ek9 type r's sound awesome when giving it some put when the vtec kicks in (yo) they just seem to get more noisy. same goes to the eg6 and the dc2 and civic 1.8 vti.

the ep3 type r (bread van shape) is the only one that feels a lot more impressive because it has a much more violent crossover so it gives you a kick up the arse on crossover. This was done on purpose though because of the amount of people slating vtec. iirc, it produces about 80bhp more when vtec kicks in.
the best way to describe the ep3's vtec is like a small nitrous shot, (minus the torque because honda don't know what torque is) just gives you an instant kick.

always remember though...

BHP sells cars, TORQUE wins races

and torque is something that hondas are unfamiliar with. :homme:

[maddison_vts]

Sure I read on the type-r forums that Honda add a bit of a bad map a few revs before VTEC so that the kick and noise change is more noticeable, all as part of the whole gimmick of it.


i too have heard this :n:

[Josh14]

yeh i would say so...same as redtop used to be i thought....but then agen they were nippy motors esecially in the little nova LOL

[MiniGibbo]

having driven quite a few hondas and been out in a few i do think the vtec is overrated.

they never feel quick because the power delivery is so gradual, the ek9 type r's sound awesome when giving it some put when the vtec kicks in (yo) they just seem to get more noisy. same goes to the eg6 and the dc2 and civic 1.8 vti.

the ep3 type r (bread van shape) is the only one that feels a lot more impressive because it has a much more violent crossover so it gives you a kick up the arse on crossover. This was done on purpose though because of the amount of people slating vtec. iirc, it produces about 80bhp more when vtec kicks in.
the best way to describe the ep3's vtec is like a small nitrous shot, (minus the torque because honda don't know what torque is) just gives you an instant kick.

always remember though...

BHP sells cars, TORQUE wins races

and torque is something that hondas are unfamiliar with. :homme:


Yer thats wrong like you wouldnt beleive vtec is far more aggresive on change over than ivtec whic hthe ep3 and dc5 uses. vtec thats used i nthe ek9 and dc2 is on off where ivtec comes in in a few stages so its more progressive.

EDIT: the dc2 is 130hp before vtec and 197 in vtec.

Matt.

[maddison_vts]

the clutches must have been slipping in the all the ones i've been in and driven because they all felt very gradual. only one that had the kick to it was the ep3.

[Shellz]

Bleh, i think so. Was shocked when i went in my mates Type R. Was a scream then got launched for 2 seconds then back to normal, lol!!!

[Ocego_VTR]

I like it tbh you can build some monsters out of the VTEC lumps especailly a b18 engine damm 210bhp at 9000rpm with VTEC kicking it at 5500rpm must be some fun.

[williamsvts]

yeh i would say so...same as redtop used to be i thought....but then agen they were nippy motors esecially in the little nova LOL

i would have an XE'd nova over a honda type aRse anyday.

[MiniGibbo]

Ive always wanted to build a eg with a b18c with a t28 running a shit load of boost. One day :A:

Red top nova mmmmm:oops:

Matt.

[Ryan]

Redtops, great engines, just a shame about the shitheaps they usually go in :D

Redtop on bodies on a seven type set up seems good fun, as does a duratec on bodies

[Tommo87]

I like it tbh you can build some monsters out of the VTEC lumps especailly a b18 engine damm 210bhp at 9000rpm with VTEC kicking it at 5500rpm must be some fun.
210bhp is nothing from a JDM B18c-R and the VTEC is at 6k.
But as for getting big power and good numbers yes they are good, with my build on my B16a i'm going to be aiming at getting 210WHP from my naturally aspirated 1.6 and that'll be with roughly a 10k redline possibly more.

[stiffler69]

Funny thread full of alot of deluded people who obviosly dont have the foggiest what they are talking about, bar the few people who do.

Of course vtec is good, and if you dont want to wait till 5000rpm get a vtec controller and it will bring it in at 2500 rpm.

My mate had a dc 2 teg 197bhp couldnt stay with my evo low down but if he had a chance to get up in high revs like on a slip road etc, i couldnt shake him off so the answer is vtec is a super piece of engineering. And if you all think these honda's are slow util they hit vtec then your very wrong cause they are not they are still a very nimble car's low down too, And remember when you are all over in 2nd gear at 6250 the honda is just hitting its peak power and holding all the way to 8500 so where they are loosing below vtec they are gaining above the normal limit of a non vtec car.

You cant take anything away from these very reliable high power producing motors.

[Bickerton]

You cant take anything away from these very reliable high power producing motors.

Main downfall is people attempting to compare them to sax/106 engines ,totally different really, also you pay alot more for a vtec anything vs a lil french car methinks

[MiniGibbo]

Funny thread full of alot of deluded people who obviosly dont have the foggiest what they are talking about, bar the few people who do.

Of course vtec is good, and if you dont want to wait till 5000rpm get a vtec controller and it will bring it in at 2500 rpm.

My mate had a dc 2 teg 197bhp couldnt stay with my evo low down but if he had a chance to get up in high revs like on a slip road etc, i couldnt shake him off so the answer is vtec is a super piece of engineering. And if you all think these honda's are slow util they hit vtec then your very wrong cause they are not they are still a very nimble car's low down too, And remember when you are all over in 2nd gear at 6250 the honda is just hitting its peak power and holding all the way to 8500 so where they are loosing below vtec they are gaining above the normal limit of a non vtec car.

You cant take anything away from these very reliable high power producing motors.

LOL @ your reply. Dc2's keeping with a evo what do you do drive only at half throttle lol and as i said the dc2;s are 130 out of vtec which at theyre weight isnt nippy in the slughtest.

Vtec controllers are the biggest heaps of shit money can buy why would you pay nearly £600 for a massive flat spot, if you shift vtec down to low rpm's you have nothing higher up. Theyre only worth while if your running boost and want to spool faster.

Matt.

I think you should rethink what you right before slatting people who "dont know what there talking about" lol

[Jazz]

Properly maintained VTEC engines are fantastically reliable, its not a myth.

Highly strung and high revving yet its common to see 200k miles on the same headgasket (have a few on the accord forums- owners don't drive them like Mrs. Daisy either).

Regardless of what you think about the brand, or the noise or the fact that its a rival for Renaulsports so you're not allowed to like it lol, the fact remains that as N/A engines go they are brilliantly-engineered cars with an tried and proven formula for producing track-biased performance models without big displacement or boost of any sort, and whats more they have been doing so for many, many years.

In th USA, standard H-series Preludes have aftermarket Turbos and are kicking 350-400bhp+ on stock internals reliably even on old engines. You don't get that without a decently made engine in the first place.

So for engineering alone, no I don't think they're overrated at all. They're just good, really well made N/A engines, nothing more nothing less. They're not designed to be a replacement for turbos, ITB's, S'charging etc, just a normal N/A engine which has been made properly by a company who have known what they're doing for many years.

[MiniGibbo]

Iirc honda havent had a vtec engine fail for 15 years or somthing i read a while back.

And the s2000 is the most powerful n/a 2.0.

Matt.

[furiomike]

i think they get over hyped by people who don't even have them.

i've driven DC2's and to me the vtec is more exaggerated in them. they're a bit gutless before 5500rpm or whatever it is.

i have a more modern type r vtec, which like some people said, doesn't seem to have as much difference on and off vtec. it makes it better for day to day driving, its pretty quick even off vtec really.

you can feel a difference in pull in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears especially when the vtec kicks in (yes, i said it), more so than a mivec or vvti or whatever.

its a racey type of engine that wants to be revved. some people dont like that, but i like a car that makes more and more power the more its revved.

[kcsaxo]

well after seeing a jordan today, i really want one! VTEC or not you cant deny that they are one of the most reliable engines in the world. they have sold over 16 million VTEC engines and not a single official recall has ever been registered, not bad me thinks.

[furiomike]

Iirc honda havent had a vtec engine fail for 15 years or somthing i read a while back.

And the s2000 is the most powerful n/a 2.0.

Matt.
some new 2.0 vtec's have failed i think.

[MiniGibbo]

There techanicully I-vtecs lol

Nah i dont dislike vtec engines and probly would own one in the form of eg ep3, dc5 and/or a ap1

But i do beleive there overrated people bang on about them to much and tbh it does do my head in lol

Matt.

[Ste]

My car feels like vtec in the terms of it has fack all until around 4k when it comes 'on cam'.

Bit annoying considering how loud the car is, id like to play a bit quieter.


But for a commercial engine, i suppose its hondas way of making it drive smooth in town etc but having the extra power available when you want to play.

[stiffler69]

LOL @ your reply. Dc2's keeping with a evo what do you do drive only at half throttle lol and as i said the dc2;s are 130 out of vtec which at theyre weight isnt nippy in the slughtest.

Vtec controllers are the biggest heaps of shit money can buy why would you pay nearly £600 for a massive flat spot, if you shift vtec down to low rpm's you have nothing higher up. Theyre only worth while if your running boost and want to spool faster.

Matt.

I think you should rethink what you right before slatting people who "dont know what there talking about" lol

My friend owns two dc 2's i have owned 2 evo's a 4 and a 7 and no it wasnt at half throttle, and i never said vtec controllers are good i said if you want early vtec get one and what i have experienced with them they didnt cause any flat spots at all.

Ive done many a journeys in hondas for 1000's of miles in my friends integra's and i know vtec isnt useless at all.

Just out of curiousity how much do you think a japanese imported dc2 weighs? 1060kgs uk spec 1110 kgs not heavy for 197bhp are they?

[williamsvts]

Redtops, great engines, just a shame about the shitheaps they usually go in :D

Redtop on bodies on a seven type set up seems good fun, as does a duratec on bodies

lol, i love novas, they are just more rust than metal now haha

[Japman]

i have a ep3 type R

and vtec is a very good piece of mechanical engineering

The way my car pulls in 4th gear just does it for me,from just over 6k right to 8.5k the feeling and noise is amazing

i used to think vtec was crap etc,this was due to me not experiecning the feeling etc

dont knock it until you try it

you wont be disapointed,alough it does take some getting used to

[Mieran]

Funny thread full of alot of deluded people who obviosly dont have the foggiest what they are talking about, bar the few people who do.

Amen to that bit.

Lol @ who ever said Honda is a gimmick and the other person who suggested a nova haha.

I also think people who keep on saying "Redtop" don't really know much about Vauxhalls. Its either C20XE or C20LET so get it right.

Btw MiniGibbo the DC2 doesn't have 197BHP.

[de4n0]

whats the difference between v tec and z tec?

[stiffler69]

Amen to that bit.

Lol @ who ever said Honda is a gimmick and the other person who suggested a nova haha.

I also think people who keep on saying "Redtop" don't really know much about Vauxhalls. Its either C20XE or C20LET so get it right.

Btw MiniGibbo the DC2 doesn't have 197BHP.

The japanese import does is the uk version that has 187

[Ryan]

lol, i love novas, they are just more rust than metal now haha

allways hated novas, wa sacred shitless at 160+ in a 300bhp one a few years back (the cunt had standard brakes still!!!!!).

Still again in terms of a cheap bit of fun they are a potentially good investment.

[stiffler69]

whats the difference between v tec and z tec?

ztec isnt actually anything its just a name for that model of engine

[Ryan]

I also think people who keep on saying "Redtop" don't really know much about Vauxhalls. Its either C20XE or C20LET so get it right.


A common word used to talk about the engine. I put my hand up and say i dont know much about vauxhalls, why? because they dont really interest me. Probably only the new corsa is a car from vauxhall which makes me think wow the designers were spot on with that one. The engines seem very popular like i said though to be used in other shells.

[de4n0]

ah, so whatb is v tec, is it something programd in the ecu or a piece of machinary? sorry for the bad spelling haha

[kcsaxo]

youtube it, theres a video on how VTEC works, quite interesting too.

[stiffler69]

ah, so whatb is v tec, is it something programd in the ecu or a piece of machinary? sorry for the bad spelling haha

Its and extra set of cam lobes

[Mieran]

The engines seem very popular like i said though to be used in other shells.

Only in straight lines. ;)

I can't see a 1.0 12V Corsa shell with a XE engine doing good on track lol

[de4n0]

ah, so would it be possible to turn a normal z tec engine into a v tec? or am i dreaming lol

[Mieran]

youtube it, theres a video on how VTEC works, quite interesting too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcT_ZyY3F0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q24D0xv49d4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYvqVXLIT2s

[Ryan]

Only in straight lines. ;)

I can't see a 1.0 12V Corsa shell with a XE engine doing good on track lol

Read my post about them being used in seven type kit cars ;)

[Heliosphan]

Obviously Vtec engines come in different sizes and go in different kinds of cars that all weigh different amounts ;)

As an example, I had an EK4 Jordan which weighs 1280kg which is a hell of a lot for 113lb/ft of torque to drag around. To drive daily it's a bag of shit (compared to the cars I have now) but when it was on cam, yes it was ace. Lack of torque means nob all if you're prepared to thrap the tits off it.

So, yes it depends on the car it's in. You're a tool if you think the engines are crap!

(Top thread this by the way).

[Ocego_VTR]

Theres a lad round our ways with a teg type r bottom end with EK9 Cams and followers aswel as a teg inlet and gearbox. Have to say it must be soooooooooooooo fun in Vtec doesnt take that long to get there apparently due to short ratio box.

[scottyvtr]

im not fan personaly and for somw reason everyone who has a car with v tec on it seems to think its the fastest car in the world

lol .......soooooooooooo true that


and the fact you have to rev the baws off it.................

[Tommo87]

Guy who thinks the JDM Tegs come at 197 must of been smoking something,they're 190 with the Uk spec at 180,just as how the JDM b16 is 170 and the UKDM is 160.

The whole mechanism is an amazing feat of engineering.

As for VTEC controllers they're pointless unless they have the correct fuel map to accompany them.

[williamsvts]

Amen to that bit.

Lol @ who ever said Honda is a gimmick and the other person who suggested a nova haha.

I also think people who keep on saying "Redtop" don't really know much about Vauxhalls. Its either C20XE or C20LET so get it right.

Btw MiniGibbo the DC2 doesn't have 197BHP.

i think i know plenty tbh, just to the average person if your say xe or let they dont know what your on about.

[williamsvts]

Only in straight lines. ;)

I can't see a 1.0 12V Corsa shell with a XE engine doing good on track lol

you would be surprised. corsa or nova shell with good suspension setup, for + rear coilover, atb and decent brakes.

my nova felt alot more stable in fast corners than the saxo did, just didnt have as quick a turn in. that had GAZ dampers, 240lb front springs, 180lb rear springs and ATB diff and fully poly bushed.

[williamsvts]

Its and extra set of cam lobes

??? where did you read that?

[Mieran]

i think i know plenty tbh, just to the average person if your say xe or let they dont know what your on about.

you would be surprised. corsa or nova shell with good suspension setup, for + rear coilover, atb and decent brakes.

my nova felt alot more stable in fast corners than the saxo did, just didnt have as quick a turn in. that had GAZ dampers, 240lb front springs, 180lb rear springs and ATB diff and fully poly bushed.

My comment was aimed at "Josh14", he sounded like a n00b.

And your nova was done to a decent spec but most of the Corsas with a XE conversion aren't. They just drop the engine in without a decent suspension setup.

[stiffler69]

Guy who thinks the JDM Tegs come at 197 must of been smoking something,they're 190 with the Uk spec at 180,just as how the JDM b16 is 170 and the UKDM is 160.

The whole mechanism is an amazing feat of engineering.

As for VTEC controllers they're pointless unless they have the correct fuel map to accompany them.

Once again read correctly and you will see i didnt say they were good i said if you want lower vtec get one, Again it is 197bhp quoted figures by honda for a 98 spec integra type r. Fuel is the reason most may not make this figure as the japs run higher octane that would mean we would be shaving figures of every import but we dont so its 197bhp like my evo is 280 standard thats the figure honda gave them so thats what it is.

We all know gti180s dont always make 180bhp but we dont shave hp of them do we we still say its 180bhp

facts lad get them straight

[dannygti]

in reply to original post as i havnt read the thread.


vtec is a superb piece of technology and is miles ahead of many perfromance engines..

for example, the honda s2000.. 2.0 with 240bhp thats 120bhp per litre. can anyone name me another STANDARD (n/a) engine that can do this with perfect emissions and reliabilty...???

[stiffler69]

??? where did you read that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC

right here

[craigy_87]

I wanna drive a car with vtec now just to see what its like

[stiffler69]

[QUOTE=Tommo87;3341924]Guy who thinks the JDM Tegs come at 197 must of been smoking something,they're 190 with the Uk spec at 180,just as how the JDM b16 is 170 and the UKDM is 160.


jdm b16 is 160 and uk spec is 150 see link

http://www.japmobiles.com/cars/cars_detail.asp?id=1

[williamsvts]

My comment was aimed at "Josh14", he sounded like a n00b.

And your nova was done to a decent spec but most of the Corsas with a XE conversion aren't. They just drop the engine in without a decent suspension setup.

lol, there was a corsa at vsport a couple year ago with a let in and standard 1.2 brakes lol

[Mieran]

stiffler is right, the JDM DC2 does have 197BHP... according to Honda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34H2MCPEUV8

200PS = 197BHP

Earlier on the thread I said they don't cos' I thought the mini is talking about the UKDM version.

[Mieran]

lol, there was a corsa at vsport a couple year ago with a let in and standard 1.2 brakes lol

I've seen some with the big heavy 2.5 engine without strengthening the chassis or uprating the suspension lol

[stiffler69]

Come on fellas you can start a new thread about corsa's lets keep this to the subject in hand.

[Tommo87]

jdm b16 is 160 and uk spec is 150 see link

http://www.japmobiles.com/cars/cars_detail.asp?id=1

The car in that article is a Uk spec as it's given as a VTi which is a model which wasn't available with a B16 in japan,it came with a d15b in japan did the VTi.

This link is slightly more accurate on the b-series spec.

http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/civicr/

[titchster]

Lol @ who ever said Honda is a gimmick and the other person who suggested a nova haha.

By gimmick, I meant the whole hype behind VTEC, read the whole post in context, and it makes perfect sense. I love Hondas, i'm not slating them at all.

[Mieran]

By gimmick, I meant the whole hype behind VTEC, read the whole post in context, and it makes perfect sense. I love Hondas, i'm not slating them at all.

My bad. I originally thought you meant Honda are out there to con people.

[enthrone]

JDM dc2, awesome cars. not my style for a daily driver though.

v-tec sounds good. but im not a jap fan at all..

[Jazz]

in reply to original post as i havnt read the thread.


vtec is a superb piece of technology and is miles ahead of many perfromance engines..

for example, the honda s2000.. 2.0 with 240bhp thats 120bhp per litre. can anyone name me another STANDARD (n/a) engine that can do this with perfect emissions and reliabilty...???

Agree Danny. Honda VTEC's have been breaking the 100bhp/litre mark since the mid 90s, in standard form, as seen in the EK9, DC2 and JDM F-series and K-series engines, while keeping them factory spec and emissions and economy friendly etc. Quite an achievement, especially since most of these performance VTEC engines can do 30+ mpg combined too while maintaining superb reliability.

[Tommo87]

If anyone is around Accrington,burnley,blackburn and wants to see what VTECs all about gimme a PM and i'll take you for a blast so you can make your own mind up.

[dannyhall]

VTEC imo is just like having cams - but with abit of an extra kick.

I personally love driving my mates CTR for the VTEC kicks, but prefer my car as the power isnt as brutal from 5.5k or whatever it is, but the power delievery is much more even and you get a good kick from 4k.

[scottyGSI]

im not fan personaly and for somw reason everyone who has a car with v tec on it seems to think its the fastest car in the world

Only just seen this thread but i concur wholeheartly with this man!

[kcsaxo]

tommo ive no doubt that VTEC's are great engines as i am on the lookout for a jordan, BUT its a very brave comment about seeing what theyre all about as someone could easily bring something with similar power / weight and keep up with you, lets also not forget that were talking standard form and not tuned up to high heaven.

[Tommo87]

tommo ive no doubt that VTEC's are great engines as i am on the lookout for a jordan, BUT its a very brave comment about seeing what theyre all about
I didn't mean power wise i meant the whole thing of the crossover and how they sound.

lets also not forget that were talking standard form and not tuned up to high heaven.
Mine isn't tuned to high heaven,it started life as 170BHP and is now 190BHP so not exactly tuned to high heaven.

Also the 100bhp/litre thing started in the 80s for Honda with the ef9 SiR with the original b16 at 160bhp and then in 1992 for the eg6 SiR2 it was upped to 170bhp by using slightly different cams and a few other little bits.

[Ocego_VTR]

If anyone is around Accrington,burnley,blackburn and wants to see what VTECs all about gimme a PM and i'll take you for a blast so you can make your own mind up.

Come to a N.W meet matey would like a passanger ride in yours. :P

[Tommo87]

i'll quite happily tag along to a meet,just depends where.

[Ocego_VTR]

Yeah think someone should just organize onw maybe in manchester or something

[Chuffy]

I think vtec is a little over rated. It's a gimmic to sell the cars. It's just a poor map that has been put in place to give a kick and noticeable crossover above 6k. I've heard a lot of owners go on about the kick being like a turbo but it's not

I am a fan of Hondas but you find most owners get a k-pro which is a remap to smooth the vtec point and bring it down to around 4.5- 5k revs

Still, 240bhp and all naturally-aspirated. I love it!

[Ste]

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/threads/000/009/175/116729-vtec.jpg
http://rsxisfaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/scootervtec.jpg

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/electric-road/175532d1160927942-lrp-vtec-lipo-batteries-vtec-yo.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/z24sport/vtec_motiv.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_709-UY_kyd8/SZOj9yPkiPI/AAAAAAAAARk/jEvU4PiEuHc/s400/vtec-just-kicked-in-yo.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll126/GSXRSpeed/vtec%20yo/vtec.jpg

Had to put some pics in :)

IMO, vtec is over rated at the end of the day its is only a high lift cam available only when its needed. But that doesn't mean its not good. The B16B is a fucking shit hot engine. Anyone who's cammed their engine will know how shit the car is off cam, VTEC is the perfect solution to keeping low down torque and having the peak power a high lift cam provides. Then theres the sensation, it does sound great and feel great. Just imagine having a some 808s or ph4's ready to kick in when you get above 5krpm. It would be spot on.

[Mint-VTR]

they are soo loud, dont think ive seen one that dont hurt my ears.

mates got one and if u put the silencer in the exhaust, take it to 'VTEC y0' and it blows it out!

[MiniGibbo]

Indutcion kits are what gives vtec there major roar. Exhausts help to an extent but its 10x louder with a long arm.

Mates just sold his dc5 and braught another dc2 with a v2 mmmmmm

Matt.

[Jazz]

Indutcion kits are what gives vtec there major roar. Exhausts help to an extent but its 10x louder with a long arm.

Mates just sold his dc5 and braught another dc2 with a v2 mmmmmm

Matt.

+1 Agree. My car has a K&N Typhoon long ram induction kit and a standard exhaust, and yet through a tunnel it's sound easily drowns out many other cars running big de-catted exhausts etc- I've actually been beside modified Skylines which aren't even as loud.

Similar to this, quite loud for just an induction kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEQJkanoAsg&feature=related

[TypeRhys]

Loving this thread !

[LewDacris]

Loving this thread !

Me too.

I love Hondas....no I don't think it's not over rated. Not really, only little chavs rave about it being like a turbo boosting and most of them have never had a VTEC or experienced it.

Most people know what VTEC is and what it does, nothing spectacular....it serves a purpose and does what it's meant to.

....all that said...I wouldn't have a honda without it, hahaha.

[dj_russell]

EK9 and VTI are 2 different things.

EK9 = TypeR
VTI = EK4

:wall::wall::wall:
excuse my stupidness im not clued up on civics lol, i knew the ek9 was a type r shape so i took it all the eks were ek9s. oh well you learn something everyday. my mates isnt a type r its just the ek4 shape then,

was very dissapointed anyway with it and ive come accross quite a few now this weekend at an event and i used to rave about civics and integras but seeing them yesterday im very dissapointed with how they do against the vts.

if im honest ive never ever really seen the saxo vts as amazing as some of the cars mentioned in this thread or hailed it and i think they do not get the same recognition as some of these cars that they deserve. i think what citreon created was a good piece of engineering after owning one, but people continue to rave on about the likes of dc2s and ek9s,rs turbos,redtops blardy blar...when a little car such as the vts or 106 gti with 120bhp can show these all up in standard form or there not be alot in it up to 100mph but noone gives them the credit their owed. but theres not many cars you can jump into where you are expecting to never keep up with certain cars and suprised time and time again ive always been a vauxhall man myself and just been totally transformed by the saxo, which has always been the pisstake of the local vauxhall/ford boys,dub scene,japs etc...:y:

ps in no way am i slating it or hondas i like them just saying how since being a child ive put all these cars on a pedalstal and its turned out to be not what i thought ok reliable but in terms of how fast and power ive not seen them perform any better than any make of car would. and dont think for a second i wouldnt swap my saxo for a dc2 integra because i sure as hell would theres just something i adore about the import dc2s with rectangle headlights in white.

[Lancek]

im dissapointed how the ek9 vtis perform with 158 bhp as standard very dissapointed with my mates one with quite a few mods apparantly taking it to nearly 170bhp my saxo made it look like it was a 1.0. i totally wasnt expecting it at all and neather was he.

that said ive always loved the civics and integras and id have either still but the civic would have to be an extremly rapid one after what i witnessed.

forgot to add i did see a boosted ek9 vti go last weekend that was a totally different kettle of fish in comparison to the vti with 170bhp, and this had about 250bhp aparently that was awesome.



nvmm... someone corrected lol :(

[furiomike]

I think vtec is a little over rated. It's a gimmic to sell the cars. It's just a poor map that has been put in place to give a kick and noticeable crossover above 6k. I've heard a lot of owners go on about the kick being like a turbo but it's not

lol what?!

and the tool who said "why don't honda race cars keep the vtec then?".... its because they don't need the less aggressive 'eco' cam do they? so there's no high life cam switch over point because its always on it.

[leeroybrown]

Jazz, you've even tempted me to start looking at ATR's, I fancy something bigger and nice now!

[Japman]

dc5 leeroy

id love you

[leeroybrown]

I kinda like the old Vtec yo, defo wouldnt splash out 9k 0r 10k on a dc5 would rather have a Meg F1 230

[kcsaxo]

my point exactly, for £10k thats BMW money.

[Ryan]

lol what?!

and the tool who said "why don't honda race cars keep the vtec then?".... its because they don't need the less aggressive 'eco' cam do they? so there's no high life cam switch over point because its always on it.

It was me, and that was the point of my post. People comment that VTEC is a 'race engine' yet race cams are non Vtec cams, ;)

Think about it :homme:

Its designed as a road engine, with the two different set ups in effect. Not as a race engine which some people say it is.

[furiomike]

It was me, and that was the point of my post. People comment that VTEC is a 'race engine' yet race cams are non Vtec cams, ;)

Think about it :homme:

Its designed as a road engine, with the two different set ups in effect. Not as a race engine which some people say it is.
i get what you mean, but it still really wants to be driven like your racing it to get the best. hence why i suppose it could be called a 'racey' engine. even though i understand its not built to go racing.

[Chuffy]

I spelled Gimmick wrong

It's a gimmick to sell cars using a poor map

[VTS_16v_Boy]

imo its like most other forms of engine layout...

...Ok VTEC may still be based on a inline 4 but Im sure peolpe who own RX7's and RX8's will bang on about the merits of the wankle engine about how a turbocharged 1.3ltr can hold its own with 3.0ltr Supra's and 2.5ltr Skylines.

Im sure Scooby owners will bang on all day about how the boxer is a better engine because its a Boxer layout against the inline 4 of say the Evo.

Your always gona get owners of a brand singing the merits "Mine is better than yours", "My Evo is better than your Scobby", "My Skyline is better than your Supra"...

Lets not forget tho that there are people on here who will say not car is better than a Saxo! and like I said when I had one "Yes they are great cars in for their time and better than some if not most other cars of that time, but things move on - Somepeople dont"

[leeroybrown]

I buy an Alfa then forever be breaking down to be honest lol

Ijoke

[Jamie]

Overrated but id own a CTR ect ect because they are good cars.

[leeroybrown]

Am with Jazz, rather have the old DC2 or the accord over this new I-vtec crap in the civics, feels much better and a better noise with the older style engine

[VTS_16v_Boy]

I buy an Alfa then forever be breaking down to be honest lol

Ijoke

Thats Fighting Talk :boxing: Ding Ding - Round 1

Nah the Alfas not that bad, had the odd trim issue but as for nuts and bolts not bad at all, had a issues with my exhaust not sitting right but when you fit Italian to Italian what do you expect lol

[leeroybrown]

You aint a true petrol head until you have owned an Alfa, I hope its the 2.4 V6 boy lol

[furiomike]

Am with Jazz, rather have the old DC2 or the accord over this new I-vtec crap in the civics, feels much better and a better noise with the older style engine
in my experience i-vtec's are better when off vtec than the regular vtecs. makes it better to drive when your not giving it loads of rev's. the crossover to the vtec is also a bit smoother and less noticeable when it happens as a result.

the noise is a bit muted on the new civic with the stock airbox but its noisy as well with the filter i have on now.

[VTS_16v_Boy]

You aint a true petrol head until you have owned an Alfa, I hope its the 2.4 V6 boy lol

Nope the 8 sparkpluged 1.8ltr Twinspark :oops:

If I had the cash Id be looking at a 156 3.2ltr GTA instead of Honda's for my next car lol

[goodall3518]

put ur fog lights on, that makes VTEC faster y0

[Karl]

Ek9s rape.
Integ DC2's (JDM ones.)
Integ DC5's.

these cars make me jealous.

[Mieran]

I spelled Gimmick wrong

It's a gimmick to sell cars using a poor map

Do you have a proof of that? If not I'd shut up if I was you.

I can't see a reputable manufacturer such as Honda doing that kinda stuff to sell units.

[Mieran]

Jazz, you've even tempted me to start looking at ATR's, I fancy something bigger and nice now!

dc5 leeroy

id love you

ATR £2K+

DC5 £8K+

I think I'd rather have the ATR lol

[TypeRhys]

ATR £2K+

DC5 £8K+

I think I'd rather have the ATR lol

I guarantee any ATR under 3500 is a dog ;)

[Mieran]

I guarantee any ATR under 3500 is a dog ;)

Wrong. There was one for sale locally a while ago for £2,850 and it was in near mint condition, mileage was about 83K.

[Tommo87]

Ek9s rape.
Integ DC2's (JDM ones.)
Integ DC5's.

these cars make me jealous.

EK9s make me lol,most over rated and over priced thing Honda has ever made.

[Karl]

EK9s make me lol,most over rated and over priced thing Honda has ever made.

ek9s rock.
think they look class.
make the right noises too.

[Ferg]

EK9's are win ... FACT

[Tommo87]

ek9s rock.
think they look class.
make the right noises too.

They only make the same noise as any other b series honda,granted they look decent but only in yellow.
They would of been much better if they came with the b18c-R.

And back on topic, i'm amazed this thread has kept peoples attention like it has,i was expecting perhaps a couple of replies and thats it.

[Karl]

They look ace in all the colours man,
Championship white is lush,
I dont know Honda Engine codes, sorry.

[TypeRhys]

Wrong. There was one for sale locally a while ago for £2,850 and it was in near mint condition, mileage was about 83K.

The owner obviously didn't know what it was :panic:

Got a link ?

[Mieran]

The owner obviously didn't know what it was :panic:

Got a link ?

It wasn't advertised online, and yeah the owner probably didn't know the real value of the car or maybe wanted a quick sale.

[AXracing]

Is VTEC overrated? Yes very

[Japman]

ATR £2K+

DC5 £8K+

I think I'd rather have the ATR lol


all good if your starting a family i suppose :P

[Tommo87]

all good if your starting a family i suppose :P
You forgot to mention or aspiring to be a taxi driver.

[Chuffy]

Do you have a proof of that? If not I'd shut up if I was you.

I can't see a reputable manufacturer such as Honda doing that kinda stuff to sell units.

Oooh! Sorry big man.

I have an S2K and all I was saying that it's just their thing like Mitsubishi and Toyota have. Obvoiusly vtec is better.

[Mieran]

I have an S2K

What do you think of them?

Good cars or just a lot of hype?

[Chuffy]

I like it. Get a bit fed up with the usual gay comments like "It's shit in the wet" Well yes, if it's pishing it down I'm not going to be driving it hard round corners.

The only bad points is the car's praticality - 2 seater, rag top .....

It's a 2001 with about 58k on clock, I don't hammer it all the time but it's nice to know the vtec is there. I do think the I-VTEC isn't as fierce as the older engines in the likes of the ek9 and the teg. Read a lot of comments from owners forums about people saying they were let down by the vtec kick y0 "I thought it was meant to pin you back in the seat"

Hope to keep it running and enjoy it for a few years. Love driving it.

[Mieran]

It's a 2001

You're lucky its not newer otherwise tax would've been £400+ a year :fcuk:

[Chuffy]

Hear a few DC5 owners saying if the V5 says PLG and not its actual emissions you can escape paying £400+ a year

[Mr_X]

i do like the s2k's, didnt much care for the dash

the older ones are better, and in the hands of a good driver epic.

[AXracing]

The I-VTEC is not really the same thing as the old VTEC. Honda have just retained the name for some reason. Possibly for marketing. The I-VTEC relies uses a totally different cam actuation system and uses on the fly varying cam timming like most other manufacturers do these days. The likes of the new PSA engines are actually far more sophisticated than the original VTEC system. The VTEC system is closer to the old speed adjusting hydraulic tappets that gave to less lifts and overlap at low RPM. Often the VTEC system was hyped to be like a turbo giving massive power and a massive kick when in the real world it gave absolutely none of this. Though saying that there still quite a good engine.

[jimbo06]

I agree with what most has been said about the 'newer' i-vtec units in that they are alot better to drive below the vtec engagement point however the crossover isnt as fun as it is alot smoother and linear, making for a better day to day driver. This said i can see why people may say newer vtec engines feel like they are overated

However the b series engines, (b16a2 - from the ek4 vti, b16b - found in the ek9, b18 etc etc) are alot more raw and do offer very good fun, all be it at the expense of your wallet lol. I for one can vouch that ek9's are not over rated if you buy a good example of one!. This is ofcourse my opinion, but comparing an ek9 to say my vts (my brother owns a very tidy ek9) you just feel that the ek9 is on another 'level'. This does not mean that that they cant be overrated however an some people expect them to do things they cant.

Since yellow ek9s got a mention i thought id get a few pics in of my bro's:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/james06_album/ek9rrday2.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/james06_album/ek9rrday.jpg

and a quick vid of it on the rollers a while back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjg7-1eXjM

[kcsaxo]

dude whats it like getting spare parts for the ek9? been wanting one for years but am settling for a jordan as its uk spec and mostly for ease of getting bits for it.

[jimbo06]

dude whats it like getting spare parts for the ek9? been wanting one for years but am settling for a jordan as its uk spec and mostly for ease of getting bits for it.

Getting spare parts for it isnt as hard as you would think, honda supply just about most things for them and theres alot of other places whihc do to. They share alot of things with jdm tegs too

[Tommo87]

man that 9 is nice,yellow is the best colour. Tbh i probably think the 9s are over rated as i managed to get an exceptional eg6.

[Steve]

Mieran = fucking loves vtec..... Yet drives ecotec lol

[Steve]

EK9s make me lol,most over rated and over priced thing Honda has ever made.

agree but handle awesome out the box....
Been in one wasnt what i was expecting in straight line speed tbh

Look awesome for an old car imo.

[TypeRhys]

all good if your starting a family i suppose :P

Mine is now a 2 seater :p

[Japman]

nice ek9 mate

[Japman]

Mine is now a 2 seater :p

couldnt stick the hassle of the family wagon abuse could ya :P

[TypeRhys]

couldnt stick the hassle of the family wagon abuse could ya :P

I've gone for a lightweight approach with the car ;)

[jimbo06]

nice ek9 mate

My bro says thanks lol.

[Mieran]

That yellow CTR is sweet! They are very very rare iirc.

Mieran = fucking loves vtec..... Yet drives ecotec lol

I'm so JDM my blood type is Type R

Or I should say...

I'm so so JDM my car is not even Japanese :D lol