What do i exactly need? Exaust etc wise...

[CraigLovelock]

Hi.

Basicly im a complete novice :y: at this section.

Looking to buy a exaust system? My brothers used to just buy a big bore 4 / 5 and a k&n... but ive seen so many others on here etc i just dont know what to lol.

Does having the car de catted increase noise? Also its a straight through pipe that de cats it right?

Is it worth going for the whole system? Also what would having a 4 - 2 - 1 mani do?

Im basicly after a nice really raspy and sporty sounding exaust. Im no after sounding like a tank... also... my bros big bore used to pop and crackle... which i found sexy... what would cause that?

Ive had a look around and watched some videos and i like the sound of the Sportex 3" ourolled... would i need the whole system for a decent sound?

Ive also seen the Supersprint section... is this mainly for performance? Because i have a furio... so its not really worth going crazy on the performance mods...

I know theres probs threads explaining and i have looked. Just need some more precise answers.

Thanks if you can help / point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

Craig :y:

[SaxoJamie]

a decent backbox is a good start. a supersprint 2" will sound really nice and raspy paired up with decat and straight through centre section. Sportex are pretty good too they sound a bit more deep, mine pops alot when coming down the revs without decat. A decat will make any exhaust system sound raspier.

[CraigLovelock]

Whats a de cat for example? A straight through pipe?

So say i brought this:

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/supersprint-610/supersprint-centre-pipes-617/supersprint-race-centre-pipe-citroen-saxo-peugeot-64.html

Would that de cat.

As i have looked at the cat backs and they were only for vts and vtr... not furios...

[SaxoJamie]

depends on where your cat is to whether that would decat or not. It will if the cat is underneath the car but not if it is up in the manifold

[CraigLovelock]

Just read that de catting is illegal... does that mean that if the police pulled me... i would get done?

Also does anyone know where the cat is on a 2001 furio...?

[JamesR]

Big bore 4 / 5 = No No, and it makes me laugh when people call it that :D

Also, try Sportex, very good imo

And yes Decatting will make it louder, but also free up a little power aswell :y:

And a 4-2-1 manifold would give mroe mid range ower, usually around 3-5bhp

And people can get good power from 1.4 saxos :y:

Also, try Simota or Raceland for induction kits :y

[SaxoJamie]

Just read that de catting is illegal... does that mean that if the police pulled me... i would get done?

Also does anyone know where the cat is on a 2001 furio...?

cat should be in the mani. decatting is technically illegal but it isn't that likely you would get done. it isn't police you got to worry about but the Vosa vehicle inspection vans as they may do spot checks if they have reason to believe a car is decatted i.e very loud but you should be fine it is unlikely you would get pulled.

[CraigLovelock]

I swear i get to exited reading things about adding bhp ;)

Hmm...

anyone feel like taking some of their time and just planning out what i would need.

This is my guess:

- Induction kit of some kind
- Straight through centre section
- 4 - 2 - 1 mani to decat?
- And a decent back box.

Then im good ;)

[JamesR]

First thing is a good engine service ( Including engine flush )

Then either a derestricted air box with a good panel filter ( have a search thers loads on it ) or a raceland, BMC, Simota induction kit ( Basically anything thats enclosed )

Next, 4-2-1 manofold, The supersprint is a excellent example, stainlesss steel tends to be better imo, as it wont rust. ( also if your cat is in the manifold, this will Decat it )

Catback exhaust system, a Supersprint is good, could get the magnum backbox which is 4" and looks and sounds superb :y:

Ported and Polished Throttle body can also help a little bit :y:

Could also try losing some weight, bonnet lining, spare tyre, spare tyre cage, parcel shelf, rear seats, rear carpet and just general sh*te thats in the car. Other things like Composite panels I.E - Fibreglass or Carbon fibre bonnets, bootlids, roofs etc and Polycarbonate windows etc

Cams and a remap will probably be next, could go for the likes of the Newman Ph1 or 2, which dont need a remap ( which is what most of the money goes on) but the gains with these wont be very large. So i reccomend either the Ph3, or the Fast road cam, and a remap ( Chipwizards in Manchester is one of the best places in the country ) And you want a remap, any mention of "chips" or "chipping" is a no no 90% of the time.

Then you could go for some Throttle bodies, but if you decide to go down this or the TB or SC route then a standalone ECU such as the Emerald or the Predator will be well worth it as for saving money, and for gains.

And/Or a Turbo or Supercharger. A good Low boost ( normally around 6psi ) setup will normally cost between £2500 and £3500, but can be had for less, but wont be as good. If you go much higher than 6psi, you will start to need forged internals., which dont come cheap.

There are other things such as Headwork, but BHP - £££ isnt really worth it unless you need it or have done all other modifications.

Nitrous oxide is the easiest way to more BHP, but the refills can cost upto £60 for a 10lb bottle, which will last around a few minutes, and towards the end of the bottle, you wont really be able to feel the effect of it. But on standard internals, you can go upto around a 75bhp shot, and it will be ok. PROVIDING it is used at the correct time, and properly.

Also dont forget, Suspension, Tires, Brakes. As with all this extra power, the OE parts wont really be upto the job. And, there is not point in having power, if you cant get it down, and cant get around corners fast, or slow down fast.

Also dont forget, with £££s anywhere upto and over 500bhp can be achieved. But the higher you go, most of the time reliability and comfort is reduced.

Lastly: Easiest way to more power, would be to drop a VTS engine in :y:

www.kamracing.co.uk is a good place for parts :y:

[CraigLovelock]

Wow wasnt expecting that!

Thanks for that now i guess i have plans.

Tbf, its not worth doing this on a furio lol :homme:

But i will probs definatly decat, induct kit + catback and back box.

Thanks for the help!

[JamesR]

You can get alright power form 1.4s, i like them personally :y:

And, you can expect replies like that on this forum :y:

[JRC1]

You have a 2001 Furio like me right, so the cat is in the manifold which means that an aftermarket manifold like supersprint will de-cat your car..

I haven't bothered with the manifold myself as i'm getting an S engine put in hopefully next month so as you know obviously a 16v mani would be needed then.. If your not going to convert your Furio then, by all means go for the Supersprint mani aswell as this will give more pops and as Saxo_vtr123 said, free up a bit more power..

As for backboxes and centre sections.. I recommend the SuperSprint Race centre section and either the 2" SuperSprint or 3" Piper backbox..

I went for the 2" SuperSprint :y: - Still sounds raspy and pops when I let off even without the mani :)

James.

[CraigLovelock]

EDIT: Grr just read the post above and it answers my questions. You posted whilst i was typing. Thanks thought.


You can get alright power form 1.4s, i like them personally :y:

And, you can expect replies like that on this forum :y:

;)

By the way... you said enclosed induction kit rather than a open air filter... i mean with a closed one you wont really notice the difference in speed / accelaration... you know what i mean...

My reason for induction kit was sound...

Ive been told that the simotas are silent...

Also been told to go for piper induction kits...

Heres a quick set up i made:

- Piper Mild Steel 3inch backbox
- Janspeed 4-2-1 Exhaust Manifold
- Some sort of open cone induction kit (maybe k&N GEN2 with heatshield)

Then the centre pipe confuses me. Been looking on kamracing and can only find a cat back for vt s/r. Am i right in saying that because you de cat 1.4's in the manifold... just a straight through pipe like this is right?

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/supersprint-610/supersprint-centre-pipes-617/supersprint-race-centre-pipe-citroen-saxo-peugeot-64.html

Thanks again :y:

Think that what i said comes to about £500 :homme:

P.S - Ive probs asked before but where abouts in sot'on you live?

[JamesR]

Open filter = Heat soak = Loss in power

Make a noise yes, but your exhaust system will make enough. But its upto you.

And yes, that SS centre will be fine :y:

The Janspeed manifold after about a year or so will start to rust, just giving you a heads up on that :y:

And the Gen2 is a VERY good induction kit imo, if you can afford, then go for it.

[CraigLovelock]

Open filter = Heat soak = Loss in power

Make a noise yes, but your exhaust system will make enough. But its upto you.

And yes, that SS centre will be fine :y:

The Janspeed manifold after about a year or so will start to rust, just giving you a heads up on that :y:

Isnt the point of a heatshield suppost to stop heat soak?

And is there any gains with enclosed?

Looks like ill be getting the stainless steel mani lol ;)

Out comes the calculator:

Induction Kit: £200 ish :homme:
Manifold: £300 ish
Backbox: £150 ish
Centre section: like £100

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£750
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Overtime at work!

;) It all will hopefully come over time.

Once again thanks for all the help

[JamesR]

Isnt the point of a heatshield suppost to stop heat soak?

And is there any gains with enclosed?

Looks like ill be getting the stainless steel mani lol ;)

And enclosed get the best gains, and yes a heatshield will stop SOME of the heatsoak, but not a lot. Also good luck trying to get one to fit, i bought one a while back, an there just want a way it would fit what so ever lol

You can get some tubing / piping and bring the actual filter further forward to infront of the battery etc and that will help.

[CraigLovelock]

Interesting. Ide love to be able to like... borrow 2 induction kits lol.

Any guess as what sort of bhp these sort of mods would gain?

Or mainly acceleration gains etc. Which is all sexy (y)

And isnt a vtr's standard bhp 90 in early models and 100 in later?

[JamesR]

Interesting. Ide love to be able to like... borrow 2 induction kits lol.

Any guess as what sort of bhp these sort of mods would gain?

Or mainly acceleration gains etc. Which is all sexy (y)

And isnt a vtr's standard bhp 90 in early models and 100 in later?

MK1 VTR = 90bhp
MK2 VTR = 98bhp

Furio / Westcoast 1.4 = 75bhp

A catback, 4-2-1 manifold, and a enclosed induction kit, may see you to just over 80bhp ish.

BHP isnt cheap lol

[CraigLovelock]

Yeah yeah i know ;)

Still a few bhp is sexy.

Mainly for sounds though.

What other sort of gains will i be able to actually notice...

IMO, just because it sounds better i will think in my head it gained like alot.

[JamesR]

Yeah yeah i know ;)

Still a few bhp is sexy.

Mainly for sounds though.

What other sort of gains will i be able to actually notice...

IMO, just because it sounds better i will think in my head it gained like alot.

Lol, it does mate, agree with that one haha

and throttle response, acceleration, and just a better drive mainly.

[col101]

Big bore 4 / 5 = No No, and it makes me laugh when people call it that

Why? That's what they were called - Peco big bore

[LeeM]

Isnt the point of a heatshield suppost to stop heat soak?

And is there any gains with enclosed?

Looks like ill be getting the stainless steel mani lol ;)

Out comes the calculator:

Induction Kit: £200 ish :homme:
Manifold: £300 ish
Backbox: £150 ish
Centre section: like £100

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£750
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Overtime at work!

;) It all will hopefully come over time.

Once again thanks for all the help

get a simota from kam for £100 and a raceland manifold off here for £125.

[Dazed]

I've got a magnex 3'' backbox on my furio at the moment but it' pretty quiet tbh. What can I do to make it a bit louder but obv not stupidly loud? I dont want to get a new mani really as I got other things to buy for it and not looking for power gains, mainly just looks.
Will getting an induction kit help? I was gonna get the BMC CDA kit off kamracing but is there a better kit to go for without going over £150?
Also will a aftermarket centre section help even though the cat is in the mani?

[LeeM]

I've got a magnex 3'' backbox on my furio at the moment but it' pretty quiet tbh. What can I do to make it a bit louder but obv not stupidly loud? I dont want to get a new mani really as I got other things to buy for it and not looking for power gains, mainly just looks.
Will getting an induction kit help? I was gonna get the BMC CDA kit off kamracing but is there a better kit to go for without going over £150?
Also will a aftermarket centre section help even though the cat is in the mani?

if youre going for noise over performance theres no point shelling out extra for an enclosed filter, especially a bmc i thibnk theyre pretty silent.
a straight through will remove the middle silencer as well which will give it a bit more noise

[CraigLovelock]

get a simota from kam for £100 and a raceland manifold off here for £125.

They do simota's for furios?

Surely getting a k&n gen2 would be more for me and cheaper!

If not ill just stick on a average open cone and see how it feels. Then if i like the sound of the exaust, manifold + straight through then ill go for the enclosed.

Or do simota's give a bit of noise :wacko:

[JamesR]

They do simota's for furios?

Surely getting a k&n gen2 would be more for me and cheaper!

If not ill just stick on a average open cone and see how it feels. Then if i like the sound of the exaust, manifold + straight through then ill go for the enclosed.

Or do simota's give a bit of noise :wacko:

They dont do the Simotas for the Furio per say, but you can easily get them to fit :y:

And a Gen2 is around £180 - £200 isnt it?

And the Simota is £115?

And Simotas / Racelands will give a little noise yes, just not as much as a open cone.

[Chr15]

Interesting read this.

Craig - personally, i would talk to your insurers before buying anything and find out how much your insurance will increase by. no point spending £xxx, only to find your annual premium has doubled or gone up a stupid amount.

Thats imo anyway.

[SteveWC]

Best thing to do is start with a cat back as said pal.

Just bought the suspersint centre section with piper backbox on mine, was 70 odd for centre, 160 for backbox but i had the full stainless backbox, coulda opted for mild steel backbox which would have only been about 100.

Then you wanna get a good enclosed as said. An enclosed raceland will only cost you 60 from kam racing, and a green filter to put inside it (recommended) is 35 so less than 100 for a good duccy kit :y:

These are the first two basic breathing mods that will add a wee bit of power 2 or 3 brake possibly, as well as improving the look and sound of your car :y:

Soooo ideally you could get a good full cat back and good induction for about 300 :y: