Power to weight

[hard_corejoeboy]

If i made my vtr so it has a ptw ratio of 200bhp/per tonne would it be faster than a civic type r? Even though the power would be much less than the civic 197bhp?

[craig180]

yes...

[hard_corejoeboy]

Ah funny you should reply! you are the inspiration lol Though im tempted by the vtr turbo kits rather than a weight loss program..

[chrissawyer21]

a tonne is 912kg so a Saxo is around 1 tonne... you prepared to pay to get 200bhp out of a VTR engine?

[hard_corejoeboy]

would cost around £3000-4000 maybe 5 actually. Be priceless to see the faces of merc bmw etc owners....

[LeeM]

a tonne is 912kg so a Saxo is around 1 tonne... you prepared to pay to get 200bhp out of a VTR engine?

isnt a tonne 1000kg?

[hard_corejoeboy]

isnt a tonne 1000kg?


Thats what i thought?

[dannygti]

lmao!!!!!!!!!!

[Ashleyp]

he didnt say exactly a tonne, said "around a tonne"

buy a vts, then spec the engine up, then put furio badges on.. bigger win than a vtr turbo

but yes, still lolz at the thread

[hard_corejoeboy]

lmao!!!!!!!!!!

At what exactly?

[Mr_P]

Yes it is.

[makaveli144]

a tonne is 912kg so a Saxo is around 1 tonne... you prepared to pay to get 200bhp out of a VTR engine?

1tonne = 1000 kilos

[dannygti]

he didnt say exactly a tonne, said "around a tonne"

buy a vts, then spec the engine up, then put furio badges on.. bigger win than a vtr turbo

yes but 1000kgs's IS a metric tonne :y:


my car shuld be around 185bhp per tonne. and thats with minimal mods (16v)

a vtr turbo is more than capable of getting over 200bhp per tonne.

[hard_corejoeboy]

True but your average bmw owner won't even know what a furio is lol Yeah i was tempted by the vts conversion and a bit of lightness and a few engine mods...but turbo's do sound better

[makaveli144]

yes but 1000kgs's IS a metric tonne

I know but even a short ton is 907kg so he was wrong either way.

[hard_corejoeboy]

yes but 1000kgs's IS a metric tonne :y:


my car shuld be around 185bhp per tonne. and thats with minimal mods (16v)

a vtr turbo is more than capable of getting over 200bhp per tonne.

So technically your car should be quicker than the new renaultsport clio which has 166bhp/tonne

[Ashleyp]

True but your average bmw owner won't even know what a furio is lol Yeah i was tempted by the vts conversion and a bit of lightness and a few engine mods...but turbo's do sound better

turbo'd engines are often more money, arguably less reliable

go wild and stick 1.1 badges on.. i haz a vt kit y0, forget to mention whats under the bonnet

[Ashleyp]

So technically your car should be quicker than the new renaultsport clio which has 166bhp/tonne

if it has more power per tonne, yes

[hard_corejoeboy]

But not neccesarily a better top speed right?

[dannygti]

So technically your car should be quicker than the new renaultsport clio which has 166bhp/tonne

it most probably is. but its FAR from standard weight....

after 100mph for example the renault would be quicker where power comes into it...

[makaveli144]

it most probably is. but its FAR from standard weight....

after 100mph for example the renault would be quicker where power comes into it...

the picture in your thread of the holes you put in everything made me laugh. Thats extreme weight saving. I cant wait to see your car when its finished.

[Ashleyp]

But not neccesarily a better top speed right?

question answerd below..

top speed doesnt mean much anyway imo, on a track you want better handling / acceleration,

the focus RS has a higher top speed than the megane r26.R, but the megane is better on track ;)

it most probably is. but its FAR from standard weight....

after 100mph for example the renault would be quicker where power comes into it...

[hard_corejoeboy]

Really want a saxo that has enough push to upset the cocks in their bmws i mean i'll race anything quicker than me for kicks anyway but would rather win everytime lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

question answerd below..

top speed doesnt mean much anyway imo, on a track you want better handling / acceleration,

the focus RS has a higher top speed than the megane r26.R, but the megane is better on track ;)

R26R FTW! would love one of them hardcore as fook!

[dannygti]

people dont understand how important weight is..

ashleyp made the point of the focus rs and mgane r26r and the megane came out on top even with 70bhp less...... it didnt do this by magic.


dan.... yes my car "should" be pretty hardcore once done.

[makaveli144]

Really want a saxo that has enough push to upset the cocks in their bmws i mean i'll race anything quicker than me for kicks anyway but would rather win everytime lol

Whats the point? just makes you the cock imo.

[Ashleyp]

Whats the point? just makes you the cock imo.

+1 for that comment

[craig180]

Ah funny you should reply! you are the inspiration lol Though im tempted by the vtr turbo kits rather than a weight loss program..
VTRT kit will see you easily over 200/tonne
a tonne is 912kg so a Saxo is around 1 tonne... you prepared to pay to get 200bhp out of a VTR engine?

Just to clarify a tonne (with a ne on the end) is a metric measurement of mass/weight which is 1000kg

A ton (no ne on the end) is imperial so in this day and age is irrellivent)

[AXracing]

Power to weight is only relevant to overcoming inersha.
Power is what overcomes drag be it air or mechanical.

Take two Saxos. One is 1000kg and has 100bhp. One is 500kg and has 50bhp. They both have 100bhp per tone but there not both the same speed.

Drag will over come the 50bhp way before it does 100bhp and in so the 100bhp car will be a lot faster if were talking top end speed.

Power to weight is more relevant at lower speeds and power to drag is more relevant at high speeds.

That was all very generalised though so don't read to much in to it.

[MiniGibbo]

True but your average bmw owner won't even know what a furio is lol Yeah i was tempted by the vts conversion and a bit of lightness and a few engine mods...but turbo's do sound better

I know what a furio is and im a average bmw owner?

Why is it everyones aim in life to be faster than bmw owners ;)

[hard_corejoeboy]

Cos they see a vtr and fly up your ass wherever you are...lol

[Mike-VTR]

Why is it everyones aim in life to be faster than bmw owners ;)

becuase they're gay untill i can afford one

[VTurboR]

Whats the point? just makes you the cock imo.

+1 for that comment

+2 for that lol;)

if you race a car you no is quicker ant that just a waste of petrol!

unless your minted??

[JamesR]

Strip it out a bit ( free ) AND get the turbo kit FTW!!

[KamRacing]

question answerd below..

top speed doesnt mean much anyway imo, on a track you want better handling / acceleration,

the focus RS has a higher top speed than the megane r26.R, but the megane is better on track ;)

Power to weight is only relevant to overcoming inersha.
Power is what overcomes drag be it air or mechanical.

Take two Saxos. One is 1000kg and has 100bhp. One is 500kg and has 50bhp. They both have 100bhp per tone but there not both the same speed.

Drag will over come the 50bhp way before it does 100bhp and in so the 100bhp car will be a lot faster if were talking top end speed.

Power to weight is more relevant at lower speeds and power to drag is more relevant at high speeds.

That was all very generalised though so don't read to much in to it.

The reason why the lighter car is better overall is that on most tracks you spend a majority of the time accelerating from slow speeds, braking from high speeds and going round corners, but there are a number of circuits that favour the bigger powered cars such as snetterton.
Small engined cars will accelerate nicely but as soon as they get to high speeds they cannot push through the air as well as a bigger engined car.

[spiderxjz82]

Alternatively, instead of spending 5k getting a paxo to silly power, spend a little to satisfy yourself for the time being, then use the rest to actually buy a decent car!

That's what I'm doing!

I realise my 206, even with it's 124bhp VTR engine, is a pile of poo and while acceleration is good enough, I'm looking more towards a car that's got a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds instead of 9....

[hard_corejoeboy]

Not a great many cars in our budget that can do 0-60 in 5-1 can handle that well though. I just find it annoying that can keep up with a krap m3 driver on country roads but on a straight he will get away want the win all the time lol and rubbing it in with the sax.

Just picture it 2 cocks in m3 with 2 birds in back. 1st cock says to 2nd cock look a that chav in his saxo watch this! Saxo then proceeds to leave m3 for dead. Tell me you wouldn't feel good seeing that!

[kraigleeder]

Not a great many cars in our budget that can do 0-60 in 5-1 can handle that well though. I just find it annoying that can keep up with a krap m3 driver on country roads but on a straight he will get away want the win all the time lol and rubbing it in with the sax.

Just picture it 2 cocks in m3 with 2 birds in back. 1st cock says to 2nd cock look a that chav in his saxo watch this! Saxo then proceeds to leave m3 for dead. Tell me you wouldn't feel good seeing that!

well at least you got the chav part right:clapping:

[MiniGibbo]

Not a great many cars in our budget that can do 0-60 in 5-1 can handle that well though. I just find it annoying that can keep up with a krap m3 driver on country roads but on a straight he will get away want the win all the time lol and rubbing it in with the sax.

Just picture it 2 cocks in m3 with 2 birds in back. 1st cock says to 2nd cock look a that chav in his saxo watch this! Saxo then proceeds to leave m3 for dead. Tell me you wouldn't feel good seeing that!

You have just fell into the "i can keep with a m3 an back roads becuase i have a strutbrace and lowering springs yo" catargrey.

Also known as "the league of chav"

And at the end of the day the women in the m3 wouldnt be impressed with your little saxo that makes a psssh noise who races on the road, esp while shes sat in such a nicer car :homme:

[hard_corejoeboy]

I would say i fall into the category of being a shite hot driver and i prefer the look of a saxo to an m3 if im honest...

[MiniGibbo]

I would say i fall into the category of being a shite hot driver and i prefer the look of a saxo to an m3 if im honest...

Who taught you to drive? Compete in any race leagues?

Even done a track day :clapping:

[col101]

I would say i fall into the category of being a shite driver and i prefer the look of an m3 to a saxo if im honest...

Post edited to be more realistic

[kraigleeder]

lmao this could go on forever :S
he must be on THE STIG driving level to keep up with m3s on back roads lol

[KamRacing]

Driving fast down tight backroads is often about who will take the biggest risk. As long as the M3 cannot stretch its legs down a straight, though saying that you only need about 180bhp to keep up with one.
Saying that, once you race, most roads are pretty boring...

Kev

[VTurboR]

Not a great many cars in our budget that can do 0-60 in 5-1 can handle that well though. I just find it annoying that can keep up with a krap m3 driver on country roads but on a straight he will get away want the win all the time lol and rubbing it in with the sax.

Just picture it 2 cocks in m3 with 2 birds in back. 1st cock says to 2nd cock look a that chav in his saxo watch this! Saxo then proceeds to leave m3 for dead. Tell me you wouldn't feel good seeing that!

thats what im like in my car and what a nob i now sound!!!!

:wall:my ways are now change, no more raceing M3's:wall:

You have just fell into the "i can keep with a m3 an back roads becuase i have a strutbrace and lowering springs yo" catargrey.

Also known as "the league of chav"

And at the end of the day the women in the m3 wouldnt be impressed with your little saxo that makes a psssh noise who races on the road, esp while shes sat in such a nicer car :homme:

anyone with Boy or Boi in there name must be in "the league of Chavs" (hard_corejoeboy):clapping: but i do see where he is comeing from. have you ever been in a race and lost because the other car has much more power as standard that you do..... well imagin that for arguments sake the M3 driver goes past all smug as you come to a set of lights, you both look at each other then they go amber he floors it any you just casualy sit next to him as he goes through the gears then just floor it and say bye bye to Mr M3...... dno about anyone else but that would make me all warm inside lmao.:y:

[spiderxjz82]

I've 'lost' to hundreds of cars. I accept that by no means at all is my 206 at 124bhp going to outrun the higher market cars on the road.

I have no doubt in my mind that there are plenty out there that could quite easily raz past me if they so felt.

However, you just have to smile and bear it until you have enough money to buy a faster car, and as long as, when you go race your friend, you don't destroy anyone else's life when you write your car off, that's fine by me.

[Ashleyp]

Not a great many cars in our budget that can do 0-60 in 5-1 can handle that well though. I just find it annoying that can keep up with a krap m3 driver on country roads but on a straight he will get away want the win all the time lol and rubbing it in with the sax.

Just picture it 2 cocks in m3 with 2 birds in back. 1st cock says to 2nd cock look a that chav in his saxo watch this! Saxo then proceeds to leave m3 for dead. Tell me you wouldn't feel good seeing that!

2nd part proves to the "bmw cocks" that you are a chav

you can keep up with a "krap" driver isnt anything to brag about

why not just do some track days and stop pissing about on public roads?

[titchster]

So you want to be chasing M3s? Will take more than just getting 200bhp per ton to do that in a straight line.

I was amazed at just how quick one was when it fucked off from us one day, in a 106 that would happily keep up with a lot of quick stuff.

[VTurboR]

I've 'lost' to hundreds of cars. I accept that by no means at all is my 206 at 124bhp going to outrun the higher market cars on the road.

I have no doubt in my mind that there are plenty out there that could quite easily raz past me if they so felt.

However, you just have to smile and bear it until you have enough money to buy a faster car, and as long as, when you go race your friend, you don't destroy anyone else's life when you write your car off, that's fine by me.

thats the thing i wouldnt go the the extream of driving my car so hard i had the chance or wrighting it off unless i was on a track.


Driving fast down tight backroads is often about who will take the biggest risk. As long as the M3 cannot stretch its legs down a straight, though saying that you only need about 180bhp to keep up with one.
Saying that, once you race, most roads are pretty boring...

Kev

^^^^^^^

and i wasant spercificaly on about M3's any high powered car in general:P

So you want to be chasing M3s? Will take more than just getting 200bhp per ton to do that in a straight line.

I was amazed at just how quick one was when it fucked off from us one day, in a 106 that would happily keep up with a lot of quick stuff.

[Proffitt]

EPIC lol at this thread!

I would say i fall into the category of being a shite hot driver and i prefer the look of a saxo to an m3 if im honest...

If im honest...you're a freak to think that :homme: i would happily sell my saxo for an M3


I can see what you're saying about leaving an M3 in a shity little saxo and to perfectly honest, it would put a MASSIVE smile on my face.

BUT...

you're a cock for admitting to racing on public roads. You're the type of person [a complete fucking twat (chav) ] that makes our insurances sky high and gives all the saxo owners a bad name!

I hope you get caught racing and get sent down or get a MASSIVE 6 figure fine and get your super duper fast saxo taken off ya :boxing:

Hope you dont crash, no i lie...please crash << white text btw

Rant over

[Toad]

Guys... M3's are REALLY fast cars. Really fast... Don't forget that.

[Proffitt]

Guys... M3's are REALLY fast cars. Really fast... Don't forget that.

Ye but don't forget Toad...hard_corejoeboy's saxo is REALLY REALLY fast :y:

[VTurboR]

EPIC lol at this thread!



If im honest...you're a freak to think that :homme: i would happily sell my saxo for an M3


I can see what you're saying about leaving an M3 in a shity little saxo and to perfectly honest, it would put a MASSIVE smile on my face.

BUT...

you're a cock for admitting to racing on public roads. You're the type of person [a complete fucking twat (chav) ] that makes our insurances sky high and gives all the saxo owners a bad name!

I hope you get caught racing and get sent down or get a MASSIVE 6 figure fine and get your super duper fast saxo taken off ya :boxing:

Hope you dont crash, no i lie...please crash hahahaha just seen this

Rant over


Lol +1:clapping:

[Toad]

Ye but don't forget Toad...hard_corejoeboy's saxo is REALLY REALLY fast :y:

Forgot that...

[VTurboR]

Ye but don't forget Toad...hard_corejoeboy's saxo is REALLY REALLY fast :y:

how about when he is towing his caravan lmao:wink:

[Proffitt]

how about when he is towing his caravan lmao:wink:

I bet it keeps up with Porsche turbo's with a caravan :fcuk:

[KamRacing]

Guys... M3's are REALLY fast cars. Really fast... Don't forget that.

My 205 could keep up with the E46 one.
Admittedly it had a 2.0 16v engine on throttlebodies and 176bhp and more torque than a similar bhp 1.6 engine.
You need a lot more power to catch one though....

[Proffitt]

My 205 could keep up with the E46 one.
Admittedly it had a 2.0 16v engine on throttlebodies and 176bhp and more torque than a similar bhp 1.6 engine.
You need a lot more power to catch one though....


Mr Kam...ive been on buses faster than than. iJoke xx

[KamRacing]

Mr Kam...ive been on buses faster than than. iJoke xx

Theres only one that could beat it
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2140622/fast_school_bus_drag_racing/

[VTurboR]

Theres only one that could beat it
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2140622/fast_school_bus_drag_racing/

i would look at the vid but my work have blocked it under "Adult Content" lmao :wall:

[Proffitt]

Theres only one that could beat it
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2140622/fast_school_bus_drag_racing/

That's the bus that used to take me to school ;)

[jpsaxo]

yes but 1000kgs's IS a metric tonne :y:


my car shuld be around 185bhp per tonne. and thats with minimal mods (16v)

a vtr turbo is more than capable of getting over 200bhp per tonne.

Some nice 708s would push that nicely over 200bhp / tonne at the end of the summer, and i know someone who could supply them ;)

[MiniGibbo]

I think its quite a complement to bmw that the e36 m3 which is on average a 12 yearold car is still used as the benchmark for a "fast" car.

Saying that i still dont think its somthing to celebrate that you can beat a standard road car on a dualy in your uber turbo hatchback ;)

As for losing races i got smoked buy a big boost starlet on a dualy not that long ago (coming down onto the carrageway) didnt bother me tbh id like to see him keep with me around Brands :clapping: