Cams Newman Ph1

[Daniel09]

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/newman-cams-761/newman-ph1-road-camshafts-852/newman-ph1-road-cam-citroen-saxo-vtr-roller-rocker-1450.html

what sort of increase am i looking at adding these cams?

also what else would i need to buy aswell as these?

thanks

[Liam_]

*Cam - there's only one in the 8V engine.

Not heard of many people fitting the PH1 to be honest, it's almost too mild to warrant pulling the head off the engine. Go for a Kent Cam PT40 instead - will see you into the region of 118 - 119bhp (unmapped) with breathing mods.

[woody813]

dont do ph1s pal, u'll barely notice the increase... in theory you wouldnt need to change anything but a remap for them would see your best power increase.. it is said remap is not neccessary for these ones... i've been looking into it, go bigger and better with the remap and u'll be pushing past vts's mate....

[Daniel09]

right... never cammed an engine before

only ever replaced standard,

ill take a look at the PT40

[woody813]

...the ones i want... but cost just as much (once remapped) as dropping a vts lump in virtually!! hehe

[Daniel09]

has anybody got a link to a PT40 cam?

cant fine one on the internet anywhere?

[Liam_]

It's not the cheapest option, but maybe works out cheaper in the long run than insuring a car with an engine conversion? Suppose it depends on how long you're keeping the car.

Kent PT40 (brand new blank) - £200
New head gasket, head bolts, cambelt kit - £80ish
Adjustable cam pulley - £90ish
Having the cam timing adjusted on the rollers - £100ish

Then you have labour charges and your breathing mods (to make the most of the cam) on top of that. They do drive very well once the timing is where it needs to be, much better than a VTS on fuel too.

[woody813]

wish you could take mortgages out on this sort of work! :S

[woody813]

they've got the bigger cam on the Kamracing site have they not??

[Liam_]

PT40 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kent-Cams-PT40K-Citroen-Saxo-VTR-Cam-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1683Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZ p3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a4f488db3QQitemZ250438 258099QQptZUKQ5fCarsPartsQ5fVehiclesQ5fCarPartsQ5f SMQQsalenotsupported). Larkspeed (http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=391CT3040&a=i) also sell them (ignore the PT3040K bit, the cam you get is the PT40).

You could also go for a Newman PH3 which you can grab from Kam Racing - 'tis slightly cheaper to buy and gives similar/ better results than the PT40. I recommended the PT40 as I had good results with it fitted to mine. :)

[Daniel09]

yeah exactly im planning on keeping the car a long time,

i dont want to be buying a VTS for insurance purpouses

and i font want to be like everybody else and drop a VTS engine in

labours chaeges aint really a problem ;)

[woody813]

pfft alright for some... haha, my charges used to be free, and my mate at pug lost his job- doesnt have all the tools to do it at home for me now :( but he can still do ma head gasket for.... free :) chuffed...

[Liam_]

Ah right. You will get good results with either the PT40 or PH3 unmapped, providing you fit an adjustable pulley and have it set up properly on the rolling road. Breathing mods are a must too!

[Daniel09]

pfft alright for some... haha, my charges used to be free, and my mate at pug lost his job- doesnt have all the tools to do it at home for me now :( but he can still do ma head gasket for.... free :) chuffed...

im a college student doing a national in vehicle technology

so i get to use all colleges facilities for free outside off hours, and if i need help the tutors will step in,

we also have a roling road and facilities to remap most cars :)

[Daniel09]

Ah right. You will get good results with either the PT40 or PH3 unmapped, providing you fit an adjustable pulley and have it set up properly on the rolling road. Breathing mods are a must too!


i was planning on a pannel filter TBH

and maybee an oil cooler kit, not to sure on that yet tho

[Liam_]

i was planning on a pannel filter TBH

and maybee an oil cooler kit, not to sure on that yet tho

Panel filter should be ample, but you definitely want an aftermarket manifold and exhaust. A Piper 4-1 manifold is where I'd spend my money.

As for the oil cooler, might want to have a read of this (http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/showthread.php?t=26613).

[Daniel09]

Panel filter should be ample, but you definitely want an aftermarket manifold and exhaust. A Piper 4-1 manifold is where I'd spend my money.

As for the oil cooler, might want to have a read of this (http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/showthread.php?t=26613).

i couldny buy a new mani tho could i with my car being in there?

De-cat = mot fail

urmm ..

scrap the cooler idea..

[Liam_]

Get a MK1 VTR CAT to go under the car. Or buy something like the Janspeed manifold with incorporated sports CAT.

[Daniel09]

ahh never thought of any of them TBH

doh..

i think id go with the janspeep

[woody813]

iv always had vts's n now ive got a vtr, how much are these and what are the best ones for the mk1 cos my downpipe is craked anyway and the manifold is like all of 3 inches big! ha...

[Liam_]

MK1 has the CAT under the car, so something like a Raceland 4-2-1 will be a direct fit. :)

[woody813]

righty! cheers pal... how much we lookin at you think? :)

[Daniel09]

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/janspeed-583/janspeed-manifolds-584/janspeed-4-2-1-exhaust-manifold-saxo-1-6-vtr-1-4i-999.html

[Daniel09]

righty! cheers pal... how much we lookin at you think? :)

the link in the post above is the manifold, if oyu have a mk1 u need a cantrepipe with the cat rather than the cat in the mani

i could do with something like this really

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/janspeed-583/janspeed-manifolds-584/janspeed-4-2-1-exhaust-manifold-sports-cat-saxo-vtr-998.html

[woody813]

so where will the lambda sensor go then?... ive currently got the manifold in one piece, then straight away a downpipe is seperatly attached on with a lamda sensor on it... this attaches jus below in line with main engine block at the front...then i assume the cat gos onto this and off to the back....

[Daniel09]

i think the sensor should go at the bottom of the mani possibly..

im not to sure of the mk1 set up TBH but i know the cat is under the car

[woody813]

yeah, ok cheers pal! :)

[Daniel09]

if you was to say buy this mani

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/janspeed-583/janspeed-manifolds-584/janspeed-4-2-1-exhaust-manifold-saxo-1-6-vtr-1-4i-999.html

you can see what the bottom where you attach the sensor

where as on the 2000> mani

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufacturers-543/janspeed-583/janspeed-manifolds-584/janspeed-4-2-1-exhaust-manifold-saxo-1-6-vtr-1-4i-999.html

you attach it into the middle into the cat :)

[deanjay]

keep the cat when i replacing it with a decat and take that to the mot centre with you show them and they may let it through, thats what i have always done mate.

[deanjay]

just be a little chosey about where you send it for mot though mate