saxo turbo mistery

[sexoturbs]

hi again. as u all no by now im in the process of turboing my vtr but i no their is something missing.. the trubo kit i baught came off a 51 plate saxo furio. previous owner said it had vtr lump in it but looked like a 1.4 engine.
all that i could see ont the saxo when i took the kit off was the
mani,
turbo
downpipe,
all oil feed,
water feed,
dump valve,
sump,
oil cooler.
i never knew much about turbos so never checked internals..the ecu was a standard 1 plug. and their was nothin els i could see that i thaught i would have needed. the only thing that was out of place was the sensor on the down pipe was a but squashed..

the saxo i took it off used to beat almost everything, it went off the clock n hit the rev limiter in 5th with no struggle at all. it done 15seconds quarter mile. it never had any running problems at all.

what do you think i could be missing?

[JamesR]

Intercooler...?

[sexoturbs]

the saxo it came off had no intercooler

[bigcalturbo]

need an intercooler?? lower compression?? 5th injector??? maf sensor?? turbo management?? oil cooler??

[Sophia_Bush]

If it looks anything like cobblers setup Id be wary alot of these "kits" poping up on ebay around the blackpool,preston,lancs area now all with the same type of thing.

They all seem to go ok but is a very basic kit if you want half decent power then you will need to budget alot more

[sexoturbs]

i took all the stuff off the old saco, it had no intercooler. no fith injector. i dont no if it had lower compression but will it make it faster if it did? whats a maf sensor?. i saw nothin wired to the standard ecu it had or to the diagnostic port. it had oil cooler but as i sed i took that off and put it on mine.

[sexoturbs]

nope my mate owned the saxo before. the person he baught it off had reciepts of him geting it done by cituning. the car ran fine with no problems at all. my mate lost the reciepts so i cant see what els he had done to it...

[bigcalturbo]

lower compression wont make it faster just make it last longer as the pistons will fry did you get the ecu and wiring when you bought the kit? got anyh pics of the car you got it off and what you got??

[Sophia_Bush]

right so its a basic citurning kit? if so get pics up very easy to add to that kit and make it decent

[sexoturbs]

lower compression wont make it faster just make it last longer as the pistons will fry did you get the ecu and wiring when you bought the kit? got anyh pics of the car you got it off and what you got??

i dont have any piks of the saxo it was on b4 as my mate crashed it so i just pulled the parts off. after everything was taken off it was crushed... i dint get the ecu as it was a different plug to mine and i dint no it could be rewired or nething. the only thing that car had that i didnt put on my vtr was the ecu an twin exhaust. everything els as listed ubove got put on to mine. the ecu was a standard saxo one.. i didnt think u could do much to the standard ecu's anyway?

[sexoturbs]

right so its a basic citurning kit? if so get pics up very easy to add to that kit and make it decent

i dont have pics of the car. i have pics of the kit in my garage before i put it on my saxo if that helps??

[Sophia_Bush]

yeah go for it mate chances are if its the kit im thinking of you have half a chance of making it better

[sexoturbs]

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[ukgaz]

Yep looks like a cituning kit, could be the 1.4 or vtr one i believe.

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[Sophia_Bush]

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[Sophia_Bush]

basic cituning kit there very easy to add an intercooler on there but you will need to something in regards to lowering c/r and extra fuelling, also fuck knows why the down pipe was cut there!

[sexoturbs]

yea its the cituning 1.. i did say the engine looked like a 1.4. they guy my mate baught it off said it was a 1.6 in the 1.4 but it didnt look like my vtr engine :S if it was for a 1.4 what would i have to do but a new turbo?

[sexoturbs]

basic cituning kit there very easy to add an intercooler on there but you will need to something in regards to lowering c/r and extra fuelling, also fuck knows why the down pipe was cut there!

yep after fitting the kit to my saxo i fitted a fith injector kit. i will be gettin my intercooler kit, decoomp plate and head gasget at end of this month.

but still i dont no how his was so fast.. i used to drop my vtr to 2nd and give all i got n he would cruise past me in 3rd no problem. but now the turbo is on my saxo overtaking isnt as easy as he made it look ...

[Sophia_Bush]

no turbo will be fine, only problem may be the sump being different if you need more pics on how the ic goes etc ill post pics of my old setup

lol mate diff engines diff setup mine used to overtake easy

[3cott]

Intercooler an low comp pistons, ide all so get some bigger injectors...

Have you got a stanalone?

[sexoturbs]

wat do you mean by the sump? the sump is on my car now lol. its all on their n fits perfect. intercooler is pretty easy to fit shouldnt be a problem. ok i just dint no if he coulda had cams or nething like tht to make it faster.. i just dont understand it.. his was basic n was rapid... what about the actuator? i dont think its set up as it was on his. as it has bn taken off and put back on.. the little bar on the actuator which way would i screw this to turn the boost bk up?

[sexoturbs]

Intercooler an low comp pistons, ide all so get some bigger injectors...

Have you got a stanalone?

the thing is the saxo i took it off had no intercooler and was faster. he had standard ecu.. i no if i get bigger injectors ans standalone ecu with forged pistons and tht i could run 300bhp if i was crazy enough but my point is the saxo i took it off had none of this but was still so fast.

i dont have the money for forged pistons, conrods, standalone ecu, bigger injectors, 4 bar map sensor. if i did i would have it lol i will be gettin my decomp plate and intercooler at the ens of this month then get my car tuned.

main point is the saxo the kit camp of had no intercooler or nethin but was still soo fast n ran with no problems at all

[ben_vts]

I wouldnt turn boost up until you have got it set up and running properly mate. I just got mine done and the fueling wasnt set p corectly and it didnt run that well. Fitted a stand alone ECU and now it runs fine. But iam not turning the boost up until i have finished sorting everything out. Iam only running mine at 5psi and its quick mate. Once everything is sorted then il put it up and it will be unreal.

[sexoturbs]

yea i no. i have bn driving myn as it is. and it drives fine. at the min my guages is reading 0.2 bar but when it was on my m8s it was goin up to 0.5 so i think some1 has messed around with that. its never bn maped since i have dont this but some1 sed it dont need to be maped as i have the fith injector and mf2..

[sexoturbs]

I . Fitted a stand alone ECU and now it runs fine. But iam not turning the boost up until i have finished sorting everything out. Iam only running mine at 5psi and its quick mate. Once everything is sorted then il put it up and it will be unreal.

how much did it cost to do your ecu?? everywhere i ask wont give me a straight price it changes all the time so i havent botherd.

[ben_vts]

You deffo want it mapped it. I got mine off Andy on here. He sells the predator ECU's and they are shit hot mate. After leaving Andy's with mine fitted and ready to go the difference in pick up was amazing. Hardly any lag, just a smooth pick up and before i knew it was doing like 110mph and had to back off. Haha i think Andy enjoyed his day to. You can email him about getting one. Its the 'datashift: Home of the predator' page on the forum. He would me more than happy to sort you out. I got mine for £650 but i think you can get them for £495 without a wideband controller. If your interested speak to him and read the feedback page of mine and see what you think.

Cheers, Ben

[sexoturbs]

£650 thats a good price specialy if you got wide band controller with it.. did that include fiting? how do i find him im only a L-plater lol very new to this...

[sexoturbs]

dont forget im from near london so dont wanna travel too far to get this done

[ben_vts]

Yeah £650 i thought was very cheap like. That includes fitting and mapping, the ECU itself, the wide band controller and Any's brain for the day. Which will answer any questions you have got and if he doesnt know he is garanteed to find it out for you. You also get the software he uses to map with on your laptop if you have one so if there is a problem he can talk you through things over the phone eh. To get intouch with him either leave a thread on the predator page or do what i did and email him. He emailed me back straight away with his number and told me to ring him haha. He was excited as he had never done a turbo vts before. When his name appears at the top of he forum page (luthor1) just click on it and then send him a personal message if you dont want to leave a thread.

[manc]

I'd get all the little problems all sorted before getting a standalone & remap, be pointless getting all that done if its only running 0.2bar.

Sounds like you may have a boost leak somewhere, make sure all jubliee clips are all done up tight, if someone had messed with the actuator then it would boost to 0.2bar, does it hold 0.2bar all the way round the rev range?

You definatley want to invest in a intercooler m8e, right now i bet your inlet temps are high, running with high inlet temps can end in disaster but as your running low low boost the chances of this happening are lower, be intresting to know how high they are on a hot day, there is a intercooler I'm looking at on ebay (£78 delivered) which will fit the Saxo front bumper opening really well but it will require some choppychoppy to the slam panel so the pipework can fit, let me know if you want the link.

How did you get round the downpipe being in two pieces...

ManC

[3cott]

Look mate if you gunner turbo it you best off doing properley or your gunner have nothing but problems...

I spoke to john at GMC yesterday (30mins conversation) about bootsing my sax and im doing nothing on the cheep or cutting corners cos if you do it will brake at sometime...

[sexoturbs]

yep defo mate thers another intercooler on ebay. he has the saxo set up already. hes got the front mount intercooler with the pipes so i will buy tht off him at the end of the month. along with the 9cc decomp plate and 1.9 steel head gasget so it will be safer to run.

yea all throug the revs it will only boost to 0.2 ive checked all the clips n ders no leak at all.

i just cut my exhaust near where the down pipe ended thensleeved a bit of pipe over that was a bit bigger and had it welded up. after i get my ic, decomp, gasget, i will hten cut the down pipe agen and get 2.5 straight through to my back box :)

[manc]

I see, so the split was planned :y:

decomp plate & 1.9mm gasket, thought you only needed one and not both? not sure thou.

If the actuator bar had been adjusted you maybe able to tell by looking real close at the thread, they do eventually rust so if you see a part that is clean & shiny you'll know it been adjusted.

Maybe worth checking you havent got any kinks the the tube to the gauge and indeed the gauge is functioning correctly also.

Sounds like you landed on a great kit there, you'll have to keep us all posted on how the intercooler install & Predator goes, I've been running the Predator and I recommended it to Ben_vts, Andy aka Luthor1 is a top bloke and without doubt ensure you get the most from the kit when it's mapped :y:

[sexoturbs]

yea was told that 1 gasget wil be needed.

yea thats a gd idea actualy its not rusty tho :( lol but their might be a shiny patch. do u not no weather shortening the bar or extending it turns up the boost?

yea i have sent a pm to andy hopefully i wil hear from him soon so we can sort something out :)

[manc]

I'm not sure in which direction (clockwise/anticlockwise) it should be turned to adjust boost, would it not be easier to get a cheap & cheerful boost pressure adjuster and wind that up, then lock it when you get to the desired presssure?

ManC

[sexoturbs]

what do you mean by boos pressure adjuster? how does it work or where can i find one to read up on it?

[manc]

I meant a manual boost controller, here's (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MANUAL-BOOST-CONTROLLER-KIT-ANY-PETROL-TURBO-CAR_W0QQitemZ370231442843QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5633837d9b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1| 294%3A50)one I've seen on ebay.

Please take it easy with this kit, you can quite easily damage everything on your car with this :y:

[Sophia_Bush]

Any excuse to post pics of the old 1.1 lol that was running dastek unichip and 4 bigger injectors, with dastek in glove box

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[saxo1992]

Standard ecu and bigger injectors can thar be done?

[sexoturbs]

Any excuse to post pics of the old 1.1 lol that was running dastek unichip and 4 bigger injectors, with dastek in glove box

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looks nice :) i will change my looks once the performance is finished. little silve box next to ur battery. ive seen this on a few saxos what is it?

[sexoturbs]

I meant a manual boost controller, here's (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MANUAL-BOOST-CONTROLLER-KIT-ANY-PETROL-TURBO-CAR_W0QQitemZ370231442843QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5633837d9b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|293%3A1| 294%3A50)one I've seen on ebay.

Please take it easy with this kit, you can quite easily damage everything on your car with this :y:

cheers mate a few people have told me to get one of these.. if i do get and fit one will i still have to fiddle with that bar on the actuator? or will i be able to turn the boost back up frm wherever i fit it?

[manc]

cheers mate a few people have told me to get one of these.. if i do get and fit one will i still have to fiddle with that bar on the actuator? or will i be able to turn the boost back up frm wherever i fit it?

In theory you shouldnt need to adjust the actuator once you get this manual boost controller, I would adjust the actuator (half a turn) to see what happen's in regards to boost thou, just for your own benefit :y:

ManC

[col101]

little silve box next to ur battery. ive seen this on a few saxos what is it?

Oil catch tank.
Purpose to catch oil from rocker top rather that putting it through the air intake as is std.
Don't get one of eBay unless you're prepared to remake it properly.

[sexoturbs]

In theory you shouldnt need to adjust the actuator once you get this manual boost controller, I would adjust the actuator (half a turn) to see what happen's in regards to boost thou, just for your own benefit :y:

ManC

ok cheers mate i will invest in one and se how it goes :y:

[sexoturbs]

Oil catch tank.
Purpose to catch oil from rocker top rather that putting it through the air intake as is std.
Don't get one of eBay unless you're prepared to remake it properly.

ok sounds cool as i have nothing their n it just makes everything dirty, so i take it pressure from the engine pumps it back through? where does the pipe off the tank go? 1s rocker cover n the other? so the ones on ebay are dodgey?

[luthor1]

the actuators on turbo's should *NOT* be 'adjusted'.

The are adjustable to allow you to set 2mm of preload on the spring, they are not adjustable to allow you to upgrade the boost.

Set them to 2mm short of fitting over the wastegate arm, when you're holding the wastegate shut with your finger - so you have to STRETCH the actuator by 2mm to hook it onto the wastegate.

That's the point of adjustable ones... not boost control!!

Andy

[sexoturbs]

top man.. its just the one i have was taken off then when put back on my boost guage was reading lower.. so i just fort had to put it back up.. i will set it to 2mm tomorow cheers