VTS conversion....or cammed VTR engine??

[Goldsax]

Hi guys....

Im unsure on what to do here....

Do i drop a VTS lump into my old vtr?

Or should i just cam my current engine??

My current engine runs smooth etc but its touching 97k :S

which option is cheaper and which gets me more power i guess are my questions?

Thanks

[Steffrallye]

well getting a low milage vts engine isnt easy anymore, and it all depends on how long u think ur have the car and how much u want to spend,

u can always remove a cam wen selling the car and sell the separatly,
but a 16v has a better base to start a power plan lol

[sliderz]

depends on money vts lump 300 for a good one are you fitting it your self. cams and remap loads of cash about 250 for cam then remap labour costs loads. if your fitting your self be abit cheeper but depends on what cams you want profile ect , dropping vts lump in prob cost about same and will be about same bhp as caming the vtr. my opion would be put the vts lump in and tune from there. once you get used to the power of the vtr cams then what there not alot much else you can do to that engine at least with the vts you can cam that up latter and get more

[LeeM]

16v. i had the same ideas of caming the vtr and it made more sense to 16v it.
cam is £150-200
map is £300 ish
mani is £200 ish

all that adds up to more than my conversion cost me, i thought id rather tdo the conversion first, then when i want more power spend the above on the vts engine and get close to 160bhp

[Sean_VTS]

would make more sense to get an S conversion mate as you have then got a better base to work with. Then once you pull some money together cam that :D

[Riko360]

S all the way. this has been gone over so many times before!

[RichM]

16v. i had the same ideas of caming the vtr and it made more sense to 16v it.
cam is £150-200
map is £300 ish
mani is £200 ish

all that adds up to more than my conversion cost me, i thought id rather tdo the conversion first, then when i want more power spend the above on the vts engine and get close to 160bhp

How much does that bump your insurance up to?

[Steve]

stick a c2vts engine in imo

[Raz]

stick a c2vts engine in imo
Agreed...

Lower tax bracket iirc, lower insurance group (group 8 compared to the Saxo VTS at group 14) and an extra 5ponies as standard...

[Alanapone]

Agreed...

Lower tax bracket iirc, lower insurance group (group 8 compared to the Saxo VTS at group 14) and an extra 5ponies as standard...

Are you thinking of the whole car or does an engine transplant lower the tax and insurance???

If so... I'm after a c2vts lump :)

[Goldsax]

S lump it is then....wouldnt a C2 vts lump be alot more tho?

[Raz]

Are you thinking of the whole car or does an engine transplant lower the tax and insurance???

If so... I'm after a c2vts lump :)
If you put a C2 VTS lump in, and inform DVLA (which all engine conversion should do as people can get into alot of trouble for it) then you will be paying the tax bracket for a C2 VTS. Makes sense?

As for Insurance, it is a lower group, but I dont know what quotes are like if you get a quote of a C2 VTS, and then get a quote for a Saxo with a VTS lump in...thats only way to tell

[Alanapone]

If you put a C2 VTS lump in, and inform DVLA (which all engine conversion should do as people can get into alot of trouble for it) then you will be paying the tax bracket for a C2 VTS. Makes sense?

As for Insurance, it is a lower group, but I dont know what quotes are like if you get a quote of a C2 VTS, and then get a quote for a Saxo with a VTS lump in...thats only way to tell

Yeah, i thought you'd pay the lower car tax due to the emissions being the same because the engine is the same but would the insurance look at it in the light that their is a non-standard engine in it and therfore it would be dearer or would it confuse them and they'd just class the car the same as a C2.

It might be worth a ring around to find out eh?

[Mieran]

What Raz is saying is right.

Its similar with 2.0 Corsas. If you tell them the engine is from a Calibra it will cost more to insure than saying a Cavalier for example.

[Alanapone]

Thats what i thought... the insurance is mostly looking at the security of the car shell then the size of the engine thats in it.

Would be deffo worth a ring around first to see what the prices would be like... only problem then is trying to find a C2 VTS lump as cheap as a Saxo VTS lump.

[Goldsax]

so technically it would be classed as a c2 vts then?? although insurance would go through the saftey of the saxo etc would they not?? im confused on this bit....but i like the cheaper tax lol....i take it a C2VTS is cheaper on tax than a saxo VTR?

[Goldsax]

well just had a look on ebay a 1.6 16v c2 engine is 500pounds :S...with 36k on it...no loom, no gear box just the engine its self....with a cracked sump...its the only one on ebay...there are 1.1s and 1.4s that are 250-300 pounds :S

[Mieran]

No. C2 VTS is in the same tax bracket as the 3 plug VTR, so £150 for a year.

[Liam_]

Camming a VTR will actually cost more to do than dropping a VTS lump in.

Check insurance on both though and see which is the most cost effective. The VTS is always going to be the 'better driver' of the two with the close ratio box etc.

[saxokid100]

You will have more fun in your saxo if you drop vts lump in........:y::p

[Matt67]

Agreed...

Lower tax bracket iirc, lower insurance group (group 8 compared to the Saxo VTS at group 14) and an extra 5ponies as standard...

The only reason its insurance group 8 is because of its safety rating, putting the engine from a safe car into an unsafe car does not lower it's insurance group.

[WestyVTR]

it will be seen as an engine upgrade, and so insurance will go up

cam in vtr will be cheaper i would think

[Stissy]

why dont you save the money you'd spend on a cam or a vts engine, sell your car and buy a vts. then you're all sorted, and you'll get the vts wheels, 16v badges, abs and all the other quirks too

[dankzy]

you can buy a brand new vts engine from citroen for £2500 lol, if you want low mileage

[stephen11]

vts more bhp for £ imo thats what am going to do soon