Group Buy: AT power throttle bodies

[AndySAXO]

Right,

i have spoken to GMC on 106owners, and they say that they will do a group buy again on the At power DTH throttle bodies kit,

get 10 people together and you can have same price as last time --£795 -15% =£675.75+£15 carriage +vat= £794.36
£300 NON RETURNABLE!!
deposits by debit card -no charge
--if paid by credit card 2% charge will be added.
payment by bank transfer or cheque -no surcharge
pay-pal 4% surcharge.
payment in full at time of order no carriage charge(£17.50 savings)
times are hard and I have to pay when I order them
so delivery will depend on when everybody has paid ,as order will not be placed till then.
I am assured next order will be 3-4 weeks ,not as long as this has taken.

the above was taken from what i got back from GMC on 106owners,

that is if we get 10 people with 300 quid deposit,

the for 10 people posted to your door it - £794.36

but they also told me if we get 5 people then the price will be £840 posted to your door!!

A saving a saving at the end of the day :P

so if you are wanting some of these get your name down, but please dont if you are not 100%!!!!

1, scholesyy
2, VTSTomE
3, willsy


many thanks

andy

p.s. i didnt know which section to put this in, if in the wrong please could you move it.

[AndySAXO]

thought there be more intrest than this! :(

[raunchz]

Could maybe be a bit soon after the other groupbuy?

[VTSTomE]

Give people chance to reply only posted last night! Id be interested get my name down, id have said post up in the for sale section also and try the rallye reg. When you thinking the deposit will be needed by?

[AndySAXO]

yer just wanted to bump it :p

i know there just been on but seem to be intrest in one around this time. from a few people who couldnt do the last one!

yer wel if you are 100% then get your name down til i have 5 100% poeple down the no point in deposit!

i got a few intrested on 106oc!

i am not on rallye one!

so if you are 100% want some then put your name down!

then when there 5 i wil let gmc and can send the deposit directly to them! then it just a case to if we can get 10 to get the cheaper price!

thanks

andy

[VTSTomE]

Ill put a link on rallye reg, yeah put my name down pal on a provisional list.

[AndySAXO]

yer thanks for that,

i wil add you, it wil not be done til mid late oct the group buy!

and people coming in on the group buy!

thanks

andy

[AndySAXO]

yer thanks for that,

i wil add you, it wil not be done til mid late oct the group buy!

and people coming in on the group buy!

thanks

andy

[VTSTomE]

Suits me the later it is mate.

[AndySAXO]

** moved to parts for sale aswell **

[sergcab]

andy do u no if they do it for vtr's?

[Ryan]

andy do u no if they do it for vtr's?

nope..

[-Donkei-]

is this a complete kit? and wont have to buy anything after youve recieved them etc mani????

[AndySAXO]

thanks ryan!

there your answer mate!

andy

[AndySAXO]

thanks ryan!

there your answer mate!

andy

[Ryan]

is this a complete kit? and wont have to buy anything after youve recieved them etc mani????

They are DTH so dont need an inlet manifold. You will still need to sort an ecu out. They are designed to run with OE fuel rail, Tps and throttle cable.

[Strikevts]

Any pic's of these bodies as i am intrested, it will finsh my cammed vts off nicely.

[Ryan]

http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_93&products_id=233

[willsy]

Hey Andy, thanks for the heads up on this (PM very much appreciated :y:

I still plan to get a set of these although im still in the process of saving up- MOT and Tax are due this month so Ill probably be looking at November/December time now which is slightly later than id originally planned :(

I know Rushy and jpsaxo were in the 'definately wanting some soon' category aswel although im not sure how far their saving has gone so far

[AndySAXO]

O right well, this really is not going to plan at the moment :(

i keep it going, but i might of been offered some of these at the group buy price straight up!!

andy

[AndySAXO]

Right i was offered a good deal to get some of these, so i think i will getting mine on sunday,

BUT... i will keep this open and sort it out for other people if it get more intrest!!

so i need 5 people to get the price at 840!!

to get a place have to have a 300 quid deposit!!

thanks

andy

[scholesyy]

il be up for this is we can get the price down / more ppl interested

[AndySAXO]

yer like i said i wil do this for everyone if the enuf intrest!

thanks

andy

[Drago]

May also be worth mentioning that John at GMC is looking into producing a set for the 8v'ers out there.

http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=48836.html

[AndySAXO]

that could be intresting,

i could organise that for people, but like say he would need 10 people with 300 deposit to get that going!!!

thanks

andy

[simmo]

So heres my situation..

I have a VTS. As soon as Pred releases the 3 plug ECu i'll be buying one and getting catcam708's.


Assuming i ahev this done. What would i need to get these TB's up and running?

So £700-£800 for throttle bodies.. but then what? any otehr costs? how much would fitting be?(just a guess because i know people charge different)

or could i fit them myself?

Just trying to weigh up whether its worth it?

How much BHP would i be looking at with 708's, TB's + remap?

Sorry for all the Q's but might help otehr people aswel :)

[luthor1]

Could all 3-plug people see if they can get a 3-plug PLUG? ie ECU??

I'm getting the USB circuit sorted, the onboard wideband, and the coolant dash gauge is already sorted.

John @ GMC is sourcing *some* ECU's for me to rob the plugs off, but he's having some issues, so the sooner I have 10 plugs, the sooner I can do a group buy... call yourlocal scrappies guys and get these plugs!!!

I've got 4 at the moment!

Kind regards
Andy

[scholesyy]

So heres my situation..

I have a VTS. As soon as Pred releases the 3 plug ECu i'll be buying one and getting catcam708's.


Assuming i ahev this done. What would i need to get these TB's up and running?

So £700-£800 for throttle bodies.. but then what? any otehr costs? how much would fitting be?(just a guess because i know people charge different)

or could i fit them myself?

Just trying to weigh up whether its worth it?

How much BHP would i be looking at with 708's, TB's + remap?

Sorry for all the Q's but might help otehr people aswel :)


Exactly the same situation as me mate!

[scholesyy]

ok sod it im in

[raunchz]

ok sod it im in

you won't regret it !! The noise is awesome! It just adds something special to the whole driving experience!

[saxo_ron]

Any completed engines running these yet and are there any graphs posted anywhere from RR results showing how they perform?

[scholesyy]

bit sooner than i was plannin on, but if the price is right!

[Thecherry0121]

Any completed engines running these yet and are there any graphs posted anywhere from RR results showing how they perform?

Ive completed my engine with these fittedd but iv run a little low on funds for a run on the rollers :( Goes like stink though had a idiot in an st focus laugh at me and then boot it! then put his head down in amazement when i went past must of been thinking why have i just wasted 20k lol

[AndySAXO]

So heres my situation..

I have a VTS. As soon as Pred releases the 3 plug ECu i'll be buying one and getting catcam708's.


Assuming i ahev this done. What would i need to get these TB's up and running?

So £700-£800 for throttle bodies.. but then what? any otehr costs? how much would fitting be?(just a guess because i know people charge different)

or could i fit them myself?

Just trying to weigh up whether its worth it?

How much BHP would i be looking at with 708's, TB's + remap?

Sorry for all the Q's but might help otehr people aswel :)

right no power figures have be taken for these yet, but GMC say that they flow well over 200 bhp!!!

also these are DTH and plug and play types, so very basic to fit compare to other bodies!!

it not the top end bhp you should look at most, it the mid range that will increase, aswell as torque aswell!!

Exactly the same situation as me mate!

i am picking mine up tomorrow as i was offered some of these at the group buy price from a lad who no long is fitting them!!

ok sod it im in

right if your 100% in i will add you to the list, that make two people!! i need 10 people 100% in with 300 deposit to get the full discount!

Any completed engines running these yet and are there any graphs posted anywhere from RR results showing how they perform?

thecherry0121 is running these with a predator ecu, no Dyno result have been done with these but someone on SSC is getitng them mapped on a dyno on the 24 oct!!

so should have figures then!!

Ive completed my engine with these fittedd but iv run a little low on funds for a run on the rollers :( Goes like stink though had a idiot in an st focus laugh at me and then boot it! then put his head down in amazement when i went past must of been thinking why have i just wasted 20k lol

yer can you post the pictures of your bodies fitted on here for me?

like i said though i am out of the group buy, but i will sort this out if we get more poeple!!

many thanks

andy

[Thecherry0121]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/custardbomb0121/boddies001-1.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/custardbomb0121/bodies018.jpg

[AndySAXO]

How much room in there??

i.e. from the end of the bodies to the bulk head?

could you get an air filter in there?

also i dnt like am the plugs and sires everywhere :S

but look very nice :y:

thanks for the pictures

also dnt have to have them in that colour though come in other colours can state when ordering,

andy

[VtsTom]

Could all 3-plug people see if they can get a 3-plug PLUG? ie ECU??

I'm getting the USB circuit sorted, the onboard wideband, and the coolant dash gauge is already sorted.

John @ GMC is sourcing *some* ECU's for me to rob the plugs off, but he's having some issues, so the sooner I have 10 plugs, the sooner I can do a group buy... call yourlocal scrappies guys and get these plugs!!!

I've got 4 at the moment!

Kind regards
Andy

Are the vtr 3 plug ecu plugs the same? i have 2 ecus you can have if needed?

[Thecherry0121]

lol unforunately all cars have wires and plugs not really much you can do about that the bottom pic was half way fitted ! |Suppose you could cut all the unused wires and plugs of the loom rendering it useless for future use if going back to standard to sell but hey thats up to all you guys!!

1st pic as you can see there is a mile between scuttle and trumpets so yes a filter can be run

[raunchz]

How much room in there??

i.e. from the end of the bodies to the bulk head?

could you get an air filter in there?

also i dnt like am the plugs and sires everywhere :S

but look very nice :y:

thanks for the pictures

also dnt have to have them in that colour though come in other colours can state when ordering,

andy

Looks plenty of room for a filter.

With mine, I've covered up all my loose plugs with engine loom tape and tied them out the way to stop them getting damamged. I've left them on as it allows me to go back to standard inlet easily if I need to.

[Thecherry0121]

^^^^ exactly what ive just done a little coduit and tape and there all nicely hidden

[saxo_ron]

Ive completed my engine with these fittedd but iv run a little low on funds for a run on the rollers :( Goes like stink though had a idiot in an st focus laugh at me and then boot it! then put his head down in amazement when i went past must of been thinking why have i just wasted 20k lol

haha quality mate !!

Sorry if youve posted it but what engine spec you got? If its posted ive missed it.

[AndySAXO]

ross and Andy thanks for that info!!

i was going to do with mine once fitted :D

By the way if you do get these should run a filter, and At power themself sell the filter to fit directly on these!!

Andy

[scholesyy]

how much we talkin for a filter andy?

[AndySAXO]

At power told me no more than a 100 quid, but depends on waht type you go for!!

andy

[AndySAXO]

can run them without on, but i would not do it!!

but it up to you!!

andy

[scholesyy]

fair enuf. aint plannin on fitting mine for a while yet anyway. just taking advantage of the prices :P

[AndySAXO]

fair eunf mate,

well need alot more intrest at the moment!!

andy

[redevo7]

anyone got a set of these fitted already?

[webby]

anyone got a set of these fitted already?

somebody clearly didnt look on the previous page.

[redevo7]

somebody clearly didnt look on the previous page.

no i didnt but have now, whats feedback on these then?
what other mods have people got?

[simmo]

Very tempted by these now! Just need to sort a work van out first then i can use my saxo exclusively for weekends!

Hmm dont think insurance will like them though :(

[AndySAXO]

have to say, i have just pick up my set of these today, and look so much better in really life.

so if everyone is intrested get your name down!!

andy

[scholesyy]

i cant beieve theres only 2 of us wanting these!

[savo]

i cant beieve theres only 2 of us wanting these!

I really want them but dont have the money right now :(

[scholesyy]

any one else interested in these?

[AndySAXO]

i dnt think we will get the people to do this mate, i am very sorry!!!

andy

[willsy]

Andy i may well be back in the game earlier than expected, possibly as early as the end of this month

[AndySAXO]

yer i see that you are selling a few things off the car,

as said though i have the bodies now :P

but i will do the group buy for people, just need 10 people for the full discount!!

andy

[scholesyy]

well im in no real rush.

[AndySAXO]

yer need a 10 poeple with 300 quid non-refundable deposit to get the group buy price!!

andy

[AndySAXO]

come on people, get a very good deal on some throttle bodies which seem to proforming well on the tu engine!!

andy

[willsy]

Well im in.

Got deposit ready and waiting. Full paument ill have by 25th October :y:

[scholesyy]

wer hey a whole 3 of us!

[AndySAXO]

wel if 2 more come it the price can be 840!

but have to what everyone wants.

andy

[willsy]

:) Cant wait,

Andy did you say that you've got some already? Have you fitted them yet and if so what length have you got/have you got any pics?

Trying to decide what length to go for

[simmo]

Arghhh Willsy have you got MSN or something? Im v.interested in buying these then fitting later but dont know much about TB's etc.

Whats this about different length trumpets?

[-NVY-]

Very interested in these but can't afford to spend that much money until the middle of the month possibly the middle of next month!

[AndySAXO]

yer deposit need to to pay soon as we have 10!! then 4 weeks after finishthe rest has to be payed!!

yer willsy i have got some, the lenght is 60mm,

i ent fitting them til i get down to Andy for mapping in nov!!

but 'thecherry' has these fitted with 60mm truppets and there good room for air filter, for 90mm one then will need to cut abit out to get am filter on them!!

andy

andy

[saxo_furio2000]

you can count me in , getting my money through very soon:)

[AndySAXO]

Right that 4!!

need one more if everyone want them at 840 all in delivered?

depends on what everyone wants, as it has to be sorted before hand.

andy

[coffs_vtr]

i would be in, if the 3plug predator was completed for my 106 gti, sorry guys:(

[AndySAXO]

still get them now at a better price, and wait til the predator done!!

andy

[Ryan]

i would be in, if the 3plug predator was completed for my 106 gti, sorry guys:(

The 3 plug unit is done, andy just doesnt have any ecu plugs atm due to them not being easily available. Raping another ecu might do it for you

[saxo_furio2000]

could yo take me off the list please , i had some money coming through but it is on hold now for a few months
sorry about this people !

[AndySAXO]

ase only say your in if your 100%!!!

andy

[willsy]

yer deposit need to to pay soon as we have 10!! then 4 weeks after finishthe rest has to be payed!!

yer willsy i have got some, the lenght is 60mm,

i ent fitting them til i get down to Andy for mapping in nov!!

but 'thecherry' has these fitted with 60mm truppets and there good room for air filter, for 90mm one then will need to cut abit out to get am filter on them!!

andy

andy

Im good to go whenever. Got the full amount ready and waiting :y:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/custardbomb0121/boddies003-1.jpg

Andy (thecherry) has 60mm ones in this pic then?

So do they do 3 different sizes 60mm, 90mm and 120mm?

Think id quite fancy the 90mm ones, should be able to get some kind of filter on, theres loads of room :y:

Will be wanting fully black ones aswel if possible :)

[raunchz]

Or 120mm and cut the scuttle :P

[willsy]

Or 120mm and cut the scuttle :P

lol nah no butchering for me

[Drago]

I suggest you go for the standard stack length GMC/ATP supply otherwise you will struggle to get a filter backing plate to fit as its close to the brake balance bar.

You may be able to fit slightly longer trumpets although if you intend to run a dome/sausage filter with the correct trumpet to filter clearance you may struggle.

The trumpet length supplied is 40mm, cutting the scuttle may aid a bit more air flow but because of the trumpet angle to wont have the trumpets sitting in the void.

[pjm300]

exactly. after looking at a set of these installed, if you wanted longer trumpets then you cant cut the scuttle. well you can, but you'd need to go half way down the bulkhead! if you want a long induction length, then get a set which is angled up more, like the sandy inlet on jenveys.

[AT_Power]

Yes the standard length is a 70mm extension and a 40mm ram pipe (trumpet). We do longer extensions as well as ram pipes, and it depends entirely on what filter you wish to run as the man said.

Someone should have tried out some 90mm long ram pipes, but I haven't heard back from him so I'm not sure how that went on. You will struggle with a sausage filter and 90mm long ram pipes I would think, but I haven't had a good look myself so I can't say 100%.

Thanks,
John.

[raunchz]

exactly. after looking at a set of these installed, if you wanted longer trumpets then you cant cut the scuttle. well you can, but you'd need to go half way down the bulkhead! if you want a long induction length, then get a set which is angled up more, like the sandy inlet on jenveys.

Ahhh, didn't realise that the ATPower bodies are angled slightly lower than the Sandy/Jenvey set-up.

No scuttle cutting then :n: :oops:

[AndySAXO]

yes the angle is different, the flow is very straight into the head, i seen jens on sandy brown inlet, to be fair it doesnt look as nice as these! that is just my opion by the way!

and i think the ram pipe i have got are just about Right, as a filter will get in there without cutting anything,

andy

[willsy]

Yes the standard length is a 70mm extension and a 40mm ram pipe (trumpet). We do longer extensions as well as ram pipes, and it depends entirely on what filter you wish to run as the man said.

Thanks,
John.

Thanks very much for the input John :y:

so really with that size itll be perfect for fitting the filter, and once the filter is on theres still adequate room from all angles to get the air in, and not have any possible restrictions that having longer trumpers possibly give by having half the filter pressed hard against the fire wall/restricting area for which air can pass through?

Are 'trumpet socks' any good?

Also (sorry for being a pain) with the fuel rail that you can also supply is there an option of having this black too rather than the normal stainless finish or is that something which id have to look into?


yes the angle is different, the flow is very straight into the head, i seen jens on sandy brown inlet, to be fair it doesnt look as nice as these! that is just my opion by the way!

and i think the ram pipe i have got are just about Right, as a filter will get in there without cutting anything,

andy

Think im finally getting to grips with it now :) would like to see someones with the filter attached.

[jpsaxo]

No, dont use socks Matt. Also any reason you want to go for black? other than attracting the most heat into the engine as possible? ;)

[pjm300]

as said, sausage filter or airbox. or just do without :D

[willsy]

Also any reason you want to go for black? other than attracting the most heat into the engine as possible? ;)

Black never fails to look neat and tidy :)

[AndySAXO]

with the standard size, should be room for the bodies with the filter on it to get good amount of air,

andy

[AT_Power]

I would think this filter looks big enough to go over 90mm long ram pipes reasonably well, but you need around 25mm on top of the trumpets ideally so it would need to be 115mm deep inside. It looks at least 100mm deep to me,


This is ClarkeyVTS from SSC,
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee57/Clarkeyvts/DSC00290.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee57/Clarkeyvts/DSC00291.jpg

[Drago]

You might just get away with 90mm trumpets and a large filter, although it would practically be rubbing on the bulkhead.

I would say 80mm trumpets would be a good size to use with a filter.
Although if the standard supplied length is producing good figures then no need to change unless you want to alter bhp/torque charecteristics.

Dont run filterless, thats nearly as bad as running open cam covers.

[scholesyy]

im gonna have to pull out of this due to a shortage of funds atm :(

[willsy]

I would say 80mm trumpets would be a good size to use with a filter.
Although if the standard supplied length is producing good figures then no need to change unless you want to alter bhp/torque charecteristics.


That would suit me down to the ground to be honest. A large chunk of my 'power' is top range of the revs at the moment so bringing it down the rev range a little and producing some more torque would be perfect

The sausage filter in the pic does look pretty hefty, are there slimmer versions out there thatll work just as well but would clearly allow the longer trumpets without issues.

Its been annoying me so much this week with the hours that ive been working as ive wanted to actually call GMC or speak to AT direct with a clear list of options and get them ordered but ive been working solidly til well out of office hours

[Thecherry0121]

willsy itg do a slimmer version you just need to work out sizes and tbh i think standard size trumpets and ram pipes are fine at the end of the day when yo way up the hassel of longer ones to the amount of extra bhp or torque you may gain it just doesnt warrant it for me anyway

[Drago]

Pipercross do a wide range in both "Box" type and a "Domed" type filter.
See here http://www.thepipercrossshop.co.uk/competition_px500.asp

If you stick with the 40mm trumpets as supplied, then make sure you go for a filter with an internal height of atleast 60mm.

You will also need a plain backing plate which you will then need to drill the correct size holes at the right centres to fit in between the trumpet and stack.

[jpsaxo]

I'd be using longer than the standard if it was me, they look far too short! I'd get the 90mm ones then modify them if needed to run the longest possible without cutting the scuttle / bulkhead & allowing enough room for a Sausage filter

[AndySAXO]

Pipercross do a wide range in both "Box" type and a "Domed" type filter.
See here http://www.thepipercrossshop.co.uk/competition_px500.asp

If you stick with the 40mm trumpets as supplied, then make sure you go for a filter with an internal height of atleast 60mm.

You will also need a plain backing plate which you will then need to drill the correct size holes at the right centres to fit in between the trumpet and stack.

i just order one from AT power to siut the bodies,

also yer longer is better, but i think with 90mm truppets the bulkhead might need to be cut to fit an filter,

the standard ones are 70mm, they do look shorter in the pictures as the angle difference.

i am going to see how i get along with standard size for now, then i can also way buy longer ones if i fell they are not right.

well as someone else has pull out aswell!!! i guess this group is not going to happen now sadly, i am sorry for everyone that wanted to but, the intested is not here at this moment,

andy

[willsy]

Well im wanting to order straight away now as i have the money sitting here waiting and ready.

Going to go for it with the 90mm ones and see how i get on :)

[jpsaxo]

Good lad Matt!!

[AdGti]

i'd be up for this after xmas

[saxo_furio2000]

is this still going ?

[coffs_vtr]

im interested, as said above iis this still going ahead??

[raunchz]

I don't think it is tbh from the lack of replies on here !

[AndySAXO]

well unless can get 10 poeple with deposit, but i have my bodies on and going,

andy

[willsy]

Ive already ordered mine aswel :)

Looking forward to fitting them

[coffs_vtr]

Ive already ordered mine aswel :)

Looking forward to fitting them

willsy, did you order them straight from gmc? also what ecu you going to be using?

[willsy]

willsy, did you order them straight from gmc? also what ecu you going to be using?

Yes, i spoke to AT direct to begin with to chat about different options etc, then i ordered them through GMC

Ill be using the Predator ECU as soon as my TB's have arrived and i can arrange things with Andy from Datashift