wossner tu forged pistons group buy high/low comps £444 delivered!!!!

[blackie_2k5]

ive jus sent and email direct to wossner in regards to setting up a group buy for forged pistons and rods from them for us, have asked them to include info and prices for the vtr/s and the 1.4 engines with a pitch of 10-15% of for 5 or more and a further discount for 10 or more, its now a waiting game to see if we receive any joy from the supplier and what if anything they can do for us, i know alot of people are going or thinking of going boosted atm so deceide to do this in the hope there will be some good interest which will hopefully get us a bit of reduction in the hefty price of boosting, anyone who may be interested let me know by posting in here, dont worry this wont go ahead till after christmas as i couldnt and know most couldnt afford it atm but the more interest we get the better price, only post if genuinley interest as i know a few will be and it wont be fair to them if they rely on you participation and your just dreaming, that is all!!

[3cott]

Im intrested

[Andy_K]

Be interesting to see what price they come back. Just bear in mind GMC already have fairly competetive prices at the minute as well.

[blackie_2k5]

i think gmc's prices are a tad high tbh(arent citunings cheaper then them which is odd?) but its provinng difficult to find anywhere selling forged stuff for my vtr(that isnt ridiculousley priced), used to be loads around a year ago but no where seems to stock 8v stuff now,

[banke]

id be intrested

[raunchz]

I could be interested in some hi comps if cheap enough to tempt me.

[Spanky]

Id be intrested and you no im genuine :D

Would this include discount if you only wanted say either or, liek i may just be going for the pistons and no upgraded rods....

[blackie_2k5]

i asked for prices on rods and pistons as a package....could maybe wait for the reply and ask for seperates but imo if you buy one you need the other, you'd kick yourself if you spent 500 on pistons and a rod went and thats your 500 gone and your engines still fooked??, what boost you planning on running like mate?

[Spanky]

just actuator pressure, which i think is 9psi on my turbo..

Oly thingis i wont be able to afford rods and pistons in one go, no way at all, but if the group buy could split them i could get pistons and maybe get rods at a later date.

[blackie_2k5]

if 9s all your running may be worth just staying stock, i wanna maybe up mine to a bar... so i think stock is a serious no go

[Andy_K]

GMC were amonst the cheapest I found when looking last week, plus they have them in stock ready to dispatch. Hopefully you'll get them at a good price direct though :y:

[Spanky]

if 9s all your running may be worth just staying stock, i wanna maybe up mine to a bar... so i think stock is a serious no go

well imjust doing it for peice of mind tbh, and it will prolong the engines life, as stock wont last forever on any kind of boost tbh,

This is why im only looking into the pistons really.

Even so, 9psi, forged, turbo cam etc should see me around the 180 mark

[blackie_2k5]

agreed mate, im in two minds, either forged at 1maybe 1.1 bar or stock at 8-9psi, cant really justify myself jus pistons and stay at 9, was thinking if i just stay stock to buy a spare lump and turbo, say maybe 150 max and them run 10psi. would be cheaper then just pistons :)

[blackie_2k5]

GMC were amonst the cheapest I found when looking last week, plus they have them in stock ready to dispatch. Hopefully you'll get them at a good price direct though :y:

hoping so mate, cutting out the middle man should save us a bit with any luck, not fussed about a wait if it saves me £100:A:

[manc]

Was about to order pistons (only) only next month, so I'm a definate and will delay this purchase based on the result of this group-buy just out curiosity to see what saving are available.

I like Saxo_89 dont intend to run high boost and from what I've read and indeed been told by GMC rods are not required providing you dont go silly psi, if you look at Colins boosted GTi over on 106owners you'll note he is running standard rods & bolts, I've actually spoke to atspeed and heard it from the horses mouth that standard rods & bolts will be fine at low psi's, I'm not saying there 'NOT REQUIRED' all i'm saying there only required for high running psi's...

Hope the above doesnt de-rail this group-buy as I'am VERY intrested, providing there is a substantial saving I could be swayed towards having forged rods also.

ManC

PS:Any definate timescale's as I have planned a completion date for mine and currently have most of the boost parts...
PPS: Cituning do Wossner pistons & rods for £895 inc VAT just for referance

[blackie_2k5]

not sure on timescale as of yet mate, will update as sson as i find the info, if this is the case with the rods being good for low boost i may just go that way myself as im looking to curb my spending lol but if we get a good price i may go all out tooo, would love to hit 1bar and touch 200bhp but cost is the issue, and raunchz ill find out if high comps can be included on reply to open this up for the n/a lads :)

[raunchz]

not sure on timescale as of yet mate, will update as sson as i find the info, if this is the case with the rods being good for low boost i may just go that way myself as im looking to curb my spending lol but if we get a good price i may go all out tooo, would love to hit 1bar and touch 200bhp but cost is the issue, and raunchz ill find out if high comps can be included on reply to open this up for the n/a lads :)

Yeh no probs, I wasn't planning on getting hi comps for mine, but if they can offer a great price on some I'll be in - if it's only like £50 off i'll hang on if that's ok

[Drago]

Also interested in a set of High comps if the price is right.

[blackie_2k5]

will see what i can sort us :)

[manc]

not sure on timescale as of yet mate, will update as sson as i find the info, if this is the case with the rods being good for low boost i may just go that way myself as im looking to curb my spending lol but if we get a good price i may go all out tooo, would love to hit 1bar and touch 200bhp but cost is the issue, and raunchz ill find out if high comps can be included on reply to open this up for the n/a lads :)

Please dont take my word on whether or not you need f/rods & pistons, please do some research and make you on decision, I would hate to be responsible in anyway for damage incured as a result of advise given.

I look forward to seeing what discount your able to get and I'll make my final decision based on this.

Thanks.

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

no worries mate, was thinking of it anyway but not sure, be scared of bursting it with a 500 set of pistons in it lol, think if its chepish for pistons ill get and run 10 if its not cheap ill do 9 and get a spare lump and turbo and if its good prices go all out and run 1.1bar :)

[sexoturbs]

you no im game. and moneys good so just let me no what they offer if anything lol

[blackie_2k5]

ok we have email this is direct copy and paste of what was said, sounds quite promising to me although i am quite confuzzled as to the rods as they seem to cost more then the pistons do but should not be lmao, actually thougth it was combined at first but reading on this is not the case..... however if we got the numbers up im sure i could source some h- beams on a group buy from someone else if ppl wish.... on the piston side of things thyre fairly cheap :) and with the min discount were still getting a fair price.... interest, comments and discusions below..... any points you want me to raise post it and ill get them emailed off and see what we can do :)

Hi,

For your group buy we can offer you 10% discount from retail for 5 or less orders for 10 or more we can offer 15% should you get 20 or more this would be 20% this is the maximum discount we could offer. Retail on a set of 4 pistons is £468 plus vat. We offer 2 options in terms of con rods Wossner rods are £629 plus vat and 5% is the most discount we can offer on these. We also do our own range of rods which we have many peugeot/citroen fitments these are h-beam and fitted with arp bolts the cost of these is £400 plus vat we can offer 5% discount for 5 or less and 10% for more than 10.

Regards Rob

[L16_vts]

interested in this also. hopfully be xmas time?

[blackie_2k5]

christmas time maybe jan or poss later depending on what the board decides.. as the title states its a group buy and as the email says the more we sell the better our price :)... just emailed a forged rod company in regards to doing a seperate group buy for rods as i think the rods are on the hefty side from the original buy but we can deffo do something with the pistons imo, so we'll see what happens in regards to this

[raunchz]

That 15% off price is tempting - doing before Christmas would save 2.5% VAT. 468 + VAT. = 538.20 , then 15% off gives £458 for a set of pistons - if he could do £450 delivered I could be game for this!!

[manc]

ok we have email this is direct copy and paste of what was said, sounds quite promising to me although i am quite confuzzled as to the rods as they seem to cost more then the pistons do but should not be lmao, actually thougth it was combined at first but reading on this is not the case..... however if we got the numbers up im sure i could source some h- beams on a group buy from someone else if ppl wish.... on the piston side of things thyre fairly cheap :) and with the min discount were still getting a fair price.... interest, comments and discusions below..... any points you want me to raise post it and ill get them emailed off and see what we can do :)

Hi,

For your group buy we can offer you 10% discount from retail for 5 or less orders for 10 or more we can offer 15% should you get 20 or more this would be 20% this is the maximum discount we could offer. Retail on a set of 4 pistons is £468 plus vat. We offer 2 options in terms of con rods Wossner rods are £629 plus vat and 5% is the most discount we can offer on these. We also do our own range of rods which we have many peugeot/citroen fitments these are h-beam and fitted with arp bolts the cost of these is £400 plus vat we can offer 5% discount for 5 or less and 10% for more than 10.

Regards Rob

Alot of this discount hinges on numbers, I really doubt that you will see more or even 5 people partisipate in this group-buy but its good to see that they have stated '5 or less'.

Would you mind letting us know who the company is who has provided the pricing/discount?

VAT increase is planned for Dec 31 2009, with this being a large value purchase there is a saving to be had purchasing prior to this increase hence my eagerness to purchase 'this year', people need to bare this mind when deciding...

I am still intrested and I am keen to place a order or at least put a deposit down ensuring some how the cost does not increase, I'm pretty confident this will over-run into next year which makes things complicated...

That 15% off price is tempting - doing before Christmas would save 2.5% VAT. 468 + VAT. = 538.20 , then 15% off gives £458 for a set of pistons - if he could do £450 delivered I could be game for this!!

There is talk of VAT increasing by 3% (18%) but this is not confirmed so get you large value purchases over and done with this year if finances allow :n:

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

im keen to order on the 18th on dec as thats wheni get paid but whether or not we can get numbrs is an issue as said, the company is called tsr performance and found them on ggogle search for wossner- come up a german site so i though it was wossner direct but im not so sure now although it could have been the uk branch that emailed me back?

[blackie_2k5]

have also emailed a compnay that sell custom rods to see if they do saxo parts in order that we can set up another group buy for rods if ppl are interested in this :) the more ppl with interest that now post the better chance we stand of a deal so get txting and pm'ing ppl aout this and see if we can get some number up, surely plenty of n/a and boosted member wanting to go forged, this is the oppertunity as we alll know its expensive

[manc]

Hi,

Looking forward to what the second company can offer chap :y:

I was speaking to Cituning earlier today ref a turbo mount and took it upon myself :oops: to ask if they would be intrested in discounting 3 sets of Wossner pistons in a forum group-buy, to my surprise they were :D I got an email earlier today saying they would be prepared to discount the Wossner pistons listed on there website which are currently at £475 (http://www.cituninguk.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=28035) to £450 inc VAT +delivery providing 3 orders are placed by the end of December, I hope I've not overstepped my mark Blackie_2k5 by posting this but I could'nt resist asking Cituning and I was'nt expecting anything...

ManC

[Ste]

Id like to see prices on rods and pistons.

[manc]

Cituning site states £895 for Wossner pistons & diff manufacturer rods & arp bolts, discounted to £830 for 3 sets when I asked Cituning.

ManC

[L16_vts]

450 a good price. hopefully if theres 5 cituning mite go cheaper? lol

manc am up for that deal timeing is spot on too.

my first boost purchase awaits..

[manc]

450 a good price. hopefully if theres 5 cituning mite go cheaper? lol

manc am up for that deal timeing is spot on too.

my first boost purchase awaits..

Hiya pal,

Did start typing out a reply to your mail but it was getting a little out of hand as there was way too many questions that need answering, will try and bump into you via messenger as I got the notification you added me :y:

Dont see why a further discount cant be offered based on a larger number taking part in this group-buy, let see how many more are intrested firstly :y:.

If your a 'definate' then Blackie should get some sort of list going :y:

ManC

[L16_vts]

yeah know wot you mean manc lol. ave decided ona few things now so thats a help.

will keep my eye on this. cheers

[blackie_2k5]

well im defo, order date is set at the 18th of dec 2009 for those willing to participate.. no overstepping mate end of the day we're all looking for cheap parts it doesnt matter who finds them it benefits us all, so this list as follows edit yourselves in and post......
1) blackie
2) manc
3) raunchz possibley?
4) karl possibley as hes interested i bleive
5) lee16_vts

mannc can you see if cituning will further discount for 5 or more or ten or more and try find out a delivery price so we can work out an overall cost to work towards....

[raunchz]

If poss can you leave me as a poss - I'm 50-50 as to whether to go for some - sorry if this messes numbers up :oops: I think my moeny is going to be better spent on a quaife but might try and squeeze to a set of these

[manc]

well im defo, order date is set at the 18th of dec 2009 for those willing to participate.. no overstepping mate end of the day we're all looking for cheap parts it doesnt matter who finds them it benefits us all, so this list as follows edit yourselves in and post......
1) blackie
2) manc
3) raunchz possibley?
4) karl possibley as hes interested i bleive
5) lee16_vts

manc can you see if cituning will further discount for 5 or more or ten or more and try find out a delivery price so we can work out an overall cost to work towards....

Glad you happy with me helping out :y:

Will drop them a email asking for pricing based on 5 & 10 sets and confirmation on delivery costs.

Thanks.

[L16_vts]

you meen L16 vts not leevts lol.

[blackie_2k5]

If poss can you leave me as a poss - I'm 50-50 as to whether to go for some - sorry if this messes numbers up :oops: I think my moeny is going to be better spent on a quaife but might try and squeeze to a set of these

no worries mate long as we know where we stand up front there no issues:y:
but think of it htis way, you want both yeah...so get the pistons on discount then squeeze the diff in if you can;) makes better sense to me but i know your struggling with traction atm lol, let us know mate

[blackie_2k5]

you meen L16 vts not leevts lol.

sorry mate lmao must of been having a blonde moment there lol

1)blackie
2)manc
3)raunchz maybe
4)karl maybe
5)l16_vts :y:

[manc]

Below is the email I got back from Tony @ Cituning

Hi,
Delivery of a set of pistons and or rods is £9.50.
I can do a little more discount if we get a firm order for 5 sets.
regards
Tony

I've bolded the parts that are applicable.

ManC

[sexoturbs]

1)blackie
2)manc
3)raunchz maybe
4)karl maybe
5)l16_vts
6) sexoturbs

[profile_bmx]

Im Interested in some low comps for 450... I take it the company isnt fussed if there hi comps or low 8v or 16v? as everyone seems to want different?

[manc]

Im Interested in some low comps for 450... I take it the company isnt fussed if there hi comps or low 8v or 16v? as everyone seems to want different?

Yes the price is the same regardless of whether it is high comp, low comp, VTR or VTS.

Thanks. :y:

[Spanky]

1)blackie
2)manc
3)raunchz maybe
4)karl maybe
5)l16_vts
6) sexoturbs

Is number4 me?? wasnt sure lol

I should have the money for this soon so i should be in tbh, but when its all set and ready to go ahead, someone drop me a PM and i will confirm fully if im in or out :y:

[sexoturbs]

hmm do the rings come with the pistons? what is everythin you need when doing pistons and rods? what are we buying just pistons or both? is their anything els you need when fitting them? i get money on the 24th and im crap at saving soo if you could let me no full details and how much before 24th i can give the money to someone to hold :)

[manc]

1)blackie
2)manc
3)raunchz maybe
4)karl maybe
5)l16_vts
6) sexoturbs

Is number4 me?? wasnt sure lol

I should have the money for this soon so i should be in tbh, but when its all set and ready to go ahead, someone drop me a PM and i will confirm fully if im in or out :y:

Blackie put that entry into the list, I'll leave it for him to confirm if its yourself or not :y:

Once the numbers are confirmed I'm sure a final PM with all appropriate payment details etc will be sent out to everyone.

hmm do the rings come with the pistons? Yes rings are supplied with pistons, will drop them a email to confirm if everything is supplied to fit onto OE rods thou.

what is everythin you need when doing pistons and rods? Not sure myself, personally mine is being assembled for me, I'm sure others will be able to confirm this thou.

what are we buying just pistons or both?
Right now its just pistons, there is pricing for pistons & rods here (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3816971&postcount=32)

is their anything els you need when fitting them?
As per your first question, I'll ascertain whether or not everythig is supplied to fit OE rods.

i get money on the 24th and im crap at saving soo if you could let me no full details and how much before 24th i can give the money to someone to hold :)
There will be no personal holding of money, I'd prefer if all monies be handled by Cituning, this way there is traceability & accountability should there be any issues, they are long established business therefore I dont invisage any problems but never the less where possible people should consider paying by creditcard for the insurance that is provided.

Thanks,
ManC

[sexoturbs]

ok ok cheers. and i ment ill leave the total with my mum till you go ahead with the buy lol :y:

[manc]

ok ok cheers. and i ment ill leave the total with my mum till you go ahead with the buy lol :y:

LOL, didnt mean for the above to sound all serious I just wanted to insure everyone knew the score and there was no messing around :) hope you understand.

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

right as we stand... karl... yes thats you mate.. i know your in the game and pistons are on your wish list lol, as previousley posted by manc this has to take place before the end of december..so...christmas pay date is usually on or around th 18th of dec for most (is for me) so i proposed an order date of that, this isnt set in stone and is welcome to be changed by anyone, just meant it as i know i get paid then(so ill defo have the moeny) and it gives around 6 weeks for ppl to sort money out(an beg for pressie money lol) and also is an actual date to work towards, so ppl can decide now whether or not theyll have the money(and to weed out possible dreamers, sorry to post this but if the buy depends on ppls answers itl ruin it for the majority having wasters post), or if we need to changes dates, personally i think this is a good date as it gives ppl scope to find the money and a week or so for desrepencies should something fall through... thoughts an opinions plz as evryone needs satisfaction when it comes to things of this cost

[blackie_2k5]

double post

[Drago]

Can you confirm with cituning that they can supply the oversize variations for high comps as listed by wossner. i.e 78.7, 79, 80
And obviously that they suit the standard gudgeon pin on standard rods.

Im definetly interested.

[RICKYP-RPM]

i could be interested in some hi comp and some low comp if price is good.

[RICKYP-RPM]

Can you confirm with cituning that they can supply the oversize variations for high comps as listed by wossner. i.e 78.7, 79, 80
And obviously that they suit the standard gudgeon pin on standard rods.

Im definetly interested.

the wossner pistons i fitted came with pins and fitted standard rods, hope this helps

[manc]

right as we stand... karl... yes thats you mate.. i know your in the game and pistons are on your wish list lol, as previousley posted by manc this has to take place before the end of december..so...christmas pay date is usually on or around th 18th of dec for most (is for me) so i proposed an order date of that, this isnt set in stone and is welcome to be changed by anyone, just meant it as i know i get paid then(so ill defo have the moeny) and it gives around 6 weeks for ppl to sort money out(an beg for pressie money lol) and also is an actual date to work towards, so ppl can decide now whether or not theyll have the money(and to weed out possible dreamers, sorry to post this but if the buy depends on ppls answers itl ruin it for the majority having wasters post), or if we need to changes dates, personally i think this is a good date as it gives ppl scope to find the money and a week or so for desrepencies should something fall through... thoughts an opinions plz as evryone needs satisfaction when it comes to things of this cost

18th December sounds like a fair enough date as it does leave 6 weeks for people to make the decision :y:

As with all group-buys the cheaper prices hinge on everyone coming through and it only take one to pull out to screw things up, this is a hefty purchase and should'nt be entered into without 'knowing' you can afford it!!!

Can you confirm with cituning that they can supply the oversize variations for high comps as listed by wossner. i.e 78.7, 79, 80
And obviously that they suit the standard gudgeon pin on standard rods.

Im definetly interested.

Daz your spending again I see, I recall you buying a Innovate LC-1 wideband when I had a group-buy going earlier this year LOL

I'll drop them an email tommorow confirming they can supply HC oversized pistons and the kit fits the gudgeon pin on the OE rods.

ManC

[manc]

i could be interested in some hi comp and some low comp if price is good.

the wossner pistons i fitted came with pins and fitted standard rods, hope this helps

Hehe I was gonna text you earlier today about this group-buy but it was a busy day at work, nice to see your intrested pal but seriously HC & LC's were being greedy now LOL :oops:

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

this is a thought of mine too, as of yet im gona run just the pistons unless i find rods cheap too, so fitment to the stock rod would be an advantage although im 90% in favour of rods also... as mentioned before lol, but as last posted by manc all forged piston sets are the price above so unless citunings site doenst list the rods your require im sure theyll accomodate, basically were getting discount for the number we sell so if theyre all the same price its the money that counts, if theyre willing to offer theyll fit it in,
AS A FOOT NOTE CAN PPL PLZ STATE WHETHER THEYRE ARE OR OUT, ITS WELL WORTH POSTING YOUR INTEREST BUT DEFINATE ANSWERS MAY SEE A BETTER DISCOUNT, were looking for 5 atm and weve got a discount for this already, if we find the 5 this quick an others have interest we may get further discount for ten, so definate answers up front may mean cheaper parts and yet more interest :)

[blackie_2k5]

lmao no one was reading his thread when i wrote that reply..1 laptop crash later.... lmao

[blackie_2k5]

seems like plenty of interest here tbf, manc can you get in touch and find out some defo prices for a buy if 5 and ten as we have defo 5 and iterest for at least 5? this should ruleout alot of queries here as most will want to know prices before they commit?

[manc]

seems like plenty of interest here tbf, manc can you get in touch and find out some defo prices for a buy if 5 and ten as we have defo 5 and iterest for at least 5? this should ruleout alot of queries here as most will want to know prices before they commit?

On it pal, my things to do tommorow are: -

1. Confirm oversized variety are available for both LC & HC.
2. Confirm these kits are supplied with all appropriate stuff to fit OE rods.
3. Can he now confirm 5 off price as we have (dare I say it) confirmed 5 :y:

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

sounds good to me mate, keep us posted, sleeps for the overtime need for said pistons now*

[manc]

Not had a reply back from Cituning re the better pricing for 5 off etc, wont chase them till next week.

Blackie could you change the title of this thread to: GROUP-BUY: Forged Wossner Pistons £450, i'm sure we will get more intrest that way :y:

What are your thoughts to opening this group-buy up to 106owners and other appropriate forums?

Thanks.

[blackie_2k5]

how do you change thread titles lol, have wondered htis for a while, open it to whoever mate long as we can verify theyre genuine, the more the merrier lol

[sexoturbs]

i sent a email to pug10ff yesterday about their forged pistons and rods, they messaged me back sayin they will call me on monday to have a chat about a group buy to see what discount they can offer on the amount of people in the buy.. i will try find out a price on just pistons and just rods on a group buy then a price on both together and will find out about what comes with them.

[L16_vts]

as said the more the better. think you should ask the 106 owners. could get 10 for defo and save a bit more.

[Sophia_Bush]

good luck on 106oc i really doubt it

[manc]

how do you change thread titles lol, have wondered htis for a while, open it to whoever mate long as we can verify theyre genuine, the more the merrier lol

Hehe Blackie, there is a EDIT button on everyone of 'your' posts, this allows you to modify that post and it's title, do this on the 1st post and it'll all make sence :y:

i sent a email to pug10ff yesterday about their forged pistons and rods, they messaged me back sayin they will call me on monday to have a chat about a group buy to see what discount they can offer on the amount of people in the buy.. i will try find out a price on just pistons and just rods on a group buy then a price on both together and will find out about what comes with them.

Cituning have spent alot of time & effort getting pricing for us and it will be very un-professional to all of a sudden say 'were looking else where now' not to say make me look like a right DICK!!!, as you know I have already spent alot of money with them not to say spent many hours on the phone to them asking how things work and there advise on matters, I personally WONT jeopardize this relationship if it does come to pass that Pug1off come up with a better price however I think it will be doubtful they will, my business with/without discount will be going to Cituning purely as a thankyou for all the time I (along with others) have spent on the phone with them, I hope you understand my position Sexoturb.

If and when this group-buy changes directions to Pug1off I think its only fair I give Cituning as much prior notice of this fact!!! I will then 'NOT' post here again and bid you fairwell :n:


as said the more the better. think you should ask the 106 owners. could get 10 for defo and save a bit more.

Once the title has been modified I will stick a post on 106owners.

good luck on 106oc i really doubt it

When I ran the Innovate LC-1 group-buy I got a few off 106owners, it may prove fruitful but its a gamble worth taking imho :y:

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

sorted mate, fuck knows why thats never worked before as ive tried it numerous times but never had the option to change te title???? fuck it its on now, as for the buying we need to stick to one or the other we have details for the cituning buy basically sorted, so imo we should go with that as even if pug1off come up cheaper it will only be coppers as theres only so much you can do with a price.... end of the day if its not solidly on one thing ppl arent going to commit and its going to fuck up the buy?

[L16_vts]

agree blackie. we dont wana seem like were messing companies about for the sake off a few quid, this goin to be just a forged pistons group buy or rods too? or ata later date?

[manc]

sorted mate, fuck knows why thats never worked before as ive tried it numerous times but never had the option to change te title???? fuck it its on now, as for the buying we need to stick to one or the other we have details for the cituning buy basically sorted, so imo we should go with that as even if pug1off come up cheaper it will only be coppers as theres only so much you can do with a price.... end of the day if its not solidly on one thing ppl arent going to commit and its going to fuck up the buy?

You spelt pistons wrong LOL :oops:

My point exactly Blackie, there is only so much a item can be discounted by, you have to also look at what they offer in regards to support and what they have spent on research & design, I dont see a pug1off bespoke designed turbo manifold & downpipe... I'm not slating them btw I'm just trying to put myself in Cituning shoes, how I would react if a customer said he had 3 customers for him, sorted out a discounted price based on this and then say, well infact I was just pulling his plonker and I was taken them to pug1off.

ManC

[Spanky]

hey guys :D :D :D

Right, rad through the thread since my last post andthe 18th of december sounds good to me, £225 to one side this month and then im paid again on the 18th :D

So count me as a defo guys :y:

Only way i will drop out is if something major happens before that time (like i loose my arms or something), which i doubt tbh :D

Also, defo need to find out if they come with everything to fit OE rods and if they come with rings, which i think is being asked next week :y:

[blackie_2k5]

can 99% tell you they fit mate, direct replacement for the oe part, was quite sure before but this has been cleared before also, there another notch n the bed post, get this underway manc :)

[Spanky]

ahh right well i will want 100% confirmation first ;) ;)

But yea, im in lads :y:


Going to be getting a diff VTR engine to build it up out the car, will be easier!

[blackie_2k5]

had 1l ov glens m8 lol, looked a it (saying piton at first.. edited to pitons thinking that doesnt look right and left as was for the boxing lol, totally agree with the question at hand, not just about a buy, as its good discount from cituning themselves(were only going to get 5-10 diffrent at a push anywhere else), gotta think about the sax-p name aswell as our buy, we put business their way theyll be inclined to hlep us further as a community, we fuck them about thats a strike against the site9not going to hlep evry waster emailing with promise of a poss £1500 sale, theres always a bigger picture, and karl ill say 100% as i was sure but asked and ricky p confirmed so ill put both of us at stake for it, as said in a previous post most mods are direct replacement as all are "supposed" to be interchangeable this means better business as you wont in theory need the rods to run that promotes 1 product in favour of 2, glad your getting another lump mate, same as me, much easier this way, going for uprated bearing too?

[sexoturbs]

oh sorry guys my fault didnt realy keep up to date with the thread and thought you was still looking around for prices.. so is it all done now? do you have your price and definate buyers?

[blackie_2k5]

at this particular buy is just for piston, i do want rods and will be looking into this but as of now the prices are ridiculous and many may not be able to afford both, by all means look into it as i and others probably will want them

[manc]

oh sorry guys my fault didnt realy keep up to date with the thread and thought you was still looking around for prices.. so is it all done now? do you have your price and definate buyers?

It's no one's fault m8 :y:

Its not done yet no, was expecting an email today with answers to a few questions but nothing has yet arrived, no definate pricing yet, we are hoping for a little further discount as the number of serious intrest has increased.

Have stuck a post on 106owners referance this group-buy, plenty of views but no replies as of yet...

ManC

[sexoturbs]

ok sounds cool, wel as said before i would rather get these before i get my standalone. i will try keep up to date and if theirs a final price by 24th i can then let you no if im in or not but very interestead

[manc]

Ok little update, answers to questions are listed below: -

1. Confirm oversized variety are available for both LC & HC. Yes oversized, LC & HC are available
2. Confirm these kits are supplied with all appropriate stuff to fit OE rods.Yes all required parts are provided allowing fitment to OE rods
3. Can he now confirm 5 off price as we have (dare I say it) confirmed 5 See PM

Eveyone that has expressed a definate intrest has been PM'd, I require a reply to the questions listed on the PM to confirm better pricing.
Blackie I make this definate list as: -

blackie_25k
saxo_89
daz_westcoast
sexoturbs
l16_vts
raunchz - maybe as per PM
profile_bmx
Rickyp-rpm
ManC
Millsy - 106owners

[Spanky]

can i just ask what the crack is with the oversized ones??

Is extra work needed to fit these, whats the benefits etc etc, never new about these tbh lol

[manc]

can i just ask what the crack is with the oversized ones??

Is extra work needed to fit these, whats the benefits etc etc, never new about these tbh lol

Oversized piston are required for a number of reasons, if there is damage to your cylinder walls then a re-hone is required to create a even/smooth surface again, by re-honing you increase the diameter of the cylinder thus requiring oversized pistons to match, by increasing the diameter of the cylinder in theory you increase the CC capacity (v small) so can hold more air thus giving a bigger bang, hope that helps.

Got an email from Cituning referance 5 off pricing and they have reduced the forged pistons further to £435 inc VAT!!!

I now need confirmation emails from everyone on exact requirements ASAP.

Blackie, could you please amend the title to this group-buy again with the new price.

Thanks.

[raunchz]

Is the above price including delivery? I can't help but remain interested !

[manc]

Is the above price including delivery? I can't help but remain interested !

Fraid not pal, its £9.00 for delivery.

Stick on your creditcard LOL :y: I know I am :D

[raunchz]

Fraid not pal, its £9.00 for delivery.

Stick on your creditcard LOL :y: I know I am :D

Can't tell you how tempted I am!! The thing is that the price of them is only likely to go up due to metal prices, so even if I didn't fit them until next year then it wouldn't be a problem - hrmmmmmmm

[raunchz]

So we are looking at £444 for a set of pistons delivered? I think I'm in tbh !! There goes the christmas present for everyone !! lol

[manc]

Can't tell you how tempted I am!! The thing is that the price of them is only likely to go up due to metal prices, so even if I didn't fit them until next year then it wouldn't be a problem - hrmmmmmmm

So we are looking at £444 for a set of pistons delivered? I think I'm in tbh !! There goes the christmas present for everyone !! lol

£444 delivered is right my friend :)

Another thing to factor in is VAT going up next year also which makes this purchase even more attractive :y: Your doing what I am m8e, these pistons wont be fitted till Mar/Apr next year in mine, I'm sure if it came to it you could sell them on for a slight profit also.

ManC

[littleracer]

oh deary me,cituning.

expect to wait 2 months for them to be dlivered and no cutomer help after sale.

highly recommend you not go to cituning

[manc]

oh deary me,cituning.

expect to wait 2 months for them to be dlivered and no cutomer help after sale.

highly recommend you not go to cituning

Maybe that was your experience but mine has been the opposite, I bought a basic turbo kit from them (£1.5k), it arrived into stock when it should and after sales support has been second to none, unique item somtimes do take a little longer to arrive as they 'may' need manufacturing specially but I'm sure this will be made clear on purchase, the saving being offered imho is worth it!

ManC

[raunchz]

Deadline of 18th December? We going to pay Cituning direct nearer the 18th? I'm trying to fight the urge to buy these, but I think I'll let my heart rule my head :wall:

[manc]

Deadline of 18th December? We going to pay Cituning direct nearer the 18th? I'm trying to fight the urge to buy these, but I think I'll let my heart rule my head :wall:

17th - 18th I think it was m8

Stop being a fanny AND DO IT!!! :oops:

ManC

[littleracer]

Maybe that was your experience but mine has been the opposite, I bought a basic turbo kit from them (£1.5k), it arrived into stock when it should and after sales support has been second to none, unique item somtimes do take a little longer to arrive as they 'may' need manufacturing specially but I'm sure this will be made clear on purchase, the saving being offered imho is worth it!

ManC

hmmmm i purchased a miltek manifold with sports cat,they couldn't take credit/debit cards so had to end a cheque (i paid for that to be recorded delivery!).they cashed the cheque 4 days later and still np mani.rung them numerou times all with cituning saying theyl get back to me etc and never did and wa always down to me to contact them.
2 and a half months later manifold arrived.
2 months of being on the car the exhaust mounting bracket at the gearbox cracked its welds.phoned cituning for a replacement and they aid they will get back to me.that was 1 year and 3 months ago,iam still waiting for there call/email!
Phoned miltek direct,explained the seller wouldn't sort it,they said no problem
and 1 week later i had a new intermidaite pipe.
Iv heard numerous people same similar thing on here.

good luck

[manc]

hmmmm i purchased a miltek manifold with sports cat,they couldn't take credit/debit cards so had to end a cheque (i paid for that to be recorded delivery!).they cashed the cheque 4 days later and still np mani.rung them numerou times all with cituning saying theyl get back to me etc and never did and wa always down to me to contact them.
2 and a half months later manifold arrived.
2 months of being on the car the exhaust mounting bracket at the gearbox cracked its welds.phoned cituning for a replacement and they aid they will get back to me.that was 1 year and 3 months ago,iam still waiting for there call/email!
Phoned miltek direct,explained the seller wouldn't sort it,they said no problem
and 1 week later i had a new intermidaite pipe.
Iv heard numerous people same similar thing on here.

good luck

Thanks for the good luck.

Your's was a unfortunate experience and I can see why it would leave a bad taste in your mouth, its odd how you could'nt pay on creditcard, I could...

I really hope this group-buy doesnt go the way yours has and like my previous group buy (Innovate LC-1) I WILL do my upmost to ensure it goes without a hitch.

ManC

[raunchz]

17th - 18th I think it was m8

Stop being a fanny AND DO IT!!! :oops:

ManC

lol, when we looking to pay then? on the 17th/18th or before?

What sort of bore pistons are people going for?

from looking I think I'll be going for 79mm ones in HiComp

[manc]

lol, when we looking to pay then? on the 17th/18th or before?

What sort of bore pistons are people going for?

from looking I think I'll be going for 79mm ones in HiComp

Prior to 17 - 18th Dec m8e.

Varies at the moment in regards to sizes, some standard some oversize, I'm going oversize (79mm) as my bottomend is being re-built/re-honed.

ManC

[raunchz]

Prior to 17 - 18th Dec m8e.

Varies at the moment in regards to sizes, some standard some oversize, I'm going oversize (79mm) as my bottomend is being re-built/re-honed.

ManC

Cool, well if you give the nod when they are looking for payments then i'll get the plastic out!

[manc]

Cool, well if you give the nod when they are looking for payments then i'll get the plastic out!

No worries, my plan is to PM everyone closer to the date, thanks for partisipating pal :y:

ManC

[raunchz]

No worries, my plan is to PM everyone closer to the date, thanks for partisipating pal :y:

ManC

No probs, at that price I can't refuse - plus if I don't end up using the would be easy to sell them on next year without losing any £££

[Spanky]

any news on if they come with piston rings or not???

[raunchz]

any news on if they come with piston rings or not???

they'll definately come with rings! Well I hope so anyway !

[manc]

any news on if they come with piston rings or not???

they'll definately come with rings! Well I hope so anyway !

Yes rings are supplied :y:.

ManC

[Colin]

I could be interested in some high compression ones with that price. Just need some advice on sizes etc. Will be going on standard rods

[VTS_86]

I'll be in on this. Will need low comp for a VTS turbo. Will need advice. When will all this be happening so I can get some cash together.

[manc]

I could be interested in some high compression ones with that price. Just need some advice on sizes etc. Will be going on standard rods

Look forward to including you m8e :y:

I'll be in on this. Will need low comp for a VTS turbo. Will need advice. When will all this be happening so I can get some cash together.

Completion is 17-18 December 2009 :y:

Thanks.

[Millsy85]

Hi all, I take it if your having your bottom end rebuilt it's worth getting the oversized one's as I'll be unsure if it will need any work done?

Millsy from 106oc btw.

[manc]

Hi all, I take it if your having your bottom end rebuilt it's worth getting the oversized one's as I'll be unsure if it will need any work done?

Millsy from 106oc btw.

Welcome to sax-p m8e :y:

Without having your bottomend stripped and examined there is no way of knowing 100% if you require re-honing or not, its a difficult choice to make, as I have decided I am going to the GREAT expence of having the bottomend re-honed I have chosen to go for 79mm pistons.

Hope the above helps.

ManC

[raunchz]

Welcome to sax-p m8e :y:

Without having your bottomend stripped and examined there is no way of knowing 100% if you require re-honing or not, its a difficult choice to make, as I have decided I am going to the GREAT expence of having the bottomend re-honed I have chosen to go for 79mm pistons.

Hope the above helps.

ManC

I think what I'm going to do is eventually send my bottom end to QEP, and get them to basically deck the block, and then hone/re-bore the bores suitable for 79mm pistons (may even send them the pistons to make sure the bores are right for them)

[Sophia_Bush]

that is a brilliant price for set of forgies

[L16_vts]

am undecided lol, wot if i go standard size and my bottomend needs re-honed?

would i just be able to run standard size without the work or wot?

[manc]

I think what I'm going to do is eventually send my bottom end to QEP, and get them to basically deck the block, and then hone/re-bore the bores suitable for 79mm pistons (may even send them the pistons to make sure the bores are right for them)

:y: similiar to my idea :)

that is a brilliant price for set of forgies

Thanks for confirming it's a good price Gav, knew it was from my little research I've done, good to see someone who has been looking into pricing of bits for a few years now confirms everything :y:

ManC

[raunchz]

am undecided lol, wot if i go standard size and my bottomend needs re-honed?

would i just be able to run standard size without the work or wot?

I think (I welcome being corrected) you can re-hone and fit standard pistons (as you're removing the 'glaze' on the walls) but you could find that the cylinder has a light score so would benefit from a bit more material being removed.

Also, is fairly cheap to get a bottom end 2nd hand nowadays - so I wouldn't worry too much about it!

I think 79mm is a nice compromise personally

[Millsy85]

Welcome to sax-p m8e :y:

Without having your bottomend stripped and examined there is no way of knowing 100% if you require re-honing or not, its a difficult choice to make, as I have decided I am going to the GREAT expence of having the bottomend re-honed I have chosen to go for 79mm pistons.

Hope the above helps.

ManCThanks mate :y:

Have you had a quote for re-honing, is it muchos expensive?

[manc]

Thanks mate :y:

Have you had a quote for re-honing, is it muchos expensive?

The actual machining is cheap in comparsion to how much labour is involved in sending it away to be done, the engine has to be stripped down FULLY then re-assembled with new pistons, headgasket, shell, big end bearings etc etc, its not a small job!!!

ManC

[Millsy85]

Thanks, think i'll speak to my engine builder and get back to you on the size.

[GazVTRSaxo]

Very interested, from 106oc, is there any option for getting tu5jp4 pistons? with the bigger cutouts for the bigger valves?

[manc]

Very interested, from 106oc, is there any option for getting tu5jp4 pistons? with the bigger cutouts for the bigger valves?

Dont see why not, will drop them a email enquiring, will need to know your requirements thou: -

Engine: JP4 (c2)
Compression (high/low): ???
Size (oversized/standard): ???

ManC

[3cott]

Ill have to give these a miss as i wont have the money:cry:

[manc]

Ill have to give these a miss as i wont have the money:cry:

Bummer dude, I was thinking to myself I should PM you about this group-buy, you should try and russle the cash up pal as these f/pistons are MEGA cheap!!!

ManC

[3cott]

Bummer dude, I was thinking to myself I should PM you about this group-buy, you should try and russle the cash up pal as these f/pistons are MEGA cheap!!!

ManCIde have a set but ive just spent £900 on other parts;)

[GazVTRSaxo]

Engine: JP4 (c2)
Compression (high/low): Hi comp
Size (oversized/standard): 79mm or 80mm not fussed...

[VTS_86]

Look forward to including you m8e :y:



Completion is 17-18 December 2009 :y:

Thanks.

Thought it was after xmas

[manc]

Thought it was after xmas

There was a option to have it run into next year but as there could be a increase in VAT it would be benfical to complete this group-buy this year hence 17-18th December completion date.

ManC

[Andy_K]

Just for info....

The company who will be building my engine would charge around £20 per cylinder for reboring to fit oversized pistons (assuming you supply a stripped down engine block and rebuild yourself). Honing should be less as all that does is remove the glaze from the bores rather than remove any metal to make the bore a bigger diameter. It has been recommended to me previously to always hone the bores when fitting a new piston/ring.

[Olly]

As andy says, always hone the bores to bed the rings in. Usually £5 a bore maximum! Also load the piston rings early in there life to run them in. Dont leave it ticking over for hours.!

[blackie_2k5]

fuck me 2 days off the net and ive missed 3 pages lol, rightyho, with regards to the date we said 18th as thats the day i get paid, as far as i know its a friday, and said this as the 18th wil be for most the date of christmas (decmber) pay for those on monthly pay, it also gave around 6 weeks frm the thread star to find the moey for the pistons, i WILL NOT HAVE MONEY before this date to order so this day or the day after as a an order (paying) date (or a few days after) other wise count me out, not an issue if ppl need to pay before then and move the buy forward a bit so long as its understood i wont be in :) title now ammended*

[speedy8281]

So whats the best price now then for high comps and forged rods together?

[raunchz]

I dont think rods have been included - another group buy for another day I believe

[speedy8281]

Oh ok, manc mentioned that cituning were doing pistons and rods for 830 if 3 or more sets were ordered, there's no one else interested in rods aswell then?

[raunchz]

Oh ok, manc mentioned that cituning were doing pistons and rods for 830 if 3 or more sets were ordered, there's no one else interested in rods aswell then?

I could be wrong !! Don't quote me !

Look to be £895 normally
http://www.cituning.ltd.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=28037

[blackie_2k5]

ibeleive something like this was mentioned but i beleive no one as yet is interested in this as money is the issue, as raunchz said the rods are another buy for another day, im in the proccess of finding us some rods from a reliable company willing to set up a group sale with us ut its proving quite tricky atm tbh, but this wont be for a while as i simply couldnt afford it atm and im sure most cant, after christmas when we all have more money..... think most are only diving in for the pistons atm as theyre getting a good deal and arent fitting for a while anyway, well worth it for the price if you can stretch, express your interest at the rod/piston package and see if others are game... im sure it could be added no probs

[speedy8281]

Ok no problem mate, well count me in for 79mm high comps. Maybe there'll be a few others interested in rods after a bit. When's the money need to be handed over?

[blackie_2k5]

made a date as the after the 18th off dec but within reason, id say no later then the 20th as it gives planty of time for christmas etc etc

[speedy8281]

No problem mate, can you put me down for pistons for now then?

[GazVTRSaxo]

.......

[raunchz]

http://106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1367394#post1367394

£380 delivered hi comp or low comp have a look!

Doesn't look right to me tbh - i'm buying new from a legit source. Rather pay full price than risk getting scammed.

[manc]

So whats the best price now then for high comps and forged rods together?

I dont think rods have been included - another group buy for another day I believe

Oh ok, manc mentioned that cituning were doing pistons and rods for 830 if 3 or more sets were ordered, there's no one else interested in rods aswell then?

I could be wrong !! Don't quote me !

Look to be £895 normally
http://www.cituning.ltd.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=28037

Ok no problem mate, well count me in for 79mm high comps. Maybe there'll be a few others interested in rods after a bit. When's the money need to be handed over?

Think were leaving the f/pistons & rods alone as there has been hardly any intrest, as Blackie has said finance have already been stretched and alot cant quite afford rods as well, may look at a rod group-buy next year some time :y:

http://106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=1367394#post1367394

£380 delivered hi comp or low comp have a look!

Did I hear someone say 'THREAD HI-JACK' :oops:, with there being such a LARGE difference in cost and 'IF' indeed its legitimate I would say we have no choice but to move over... hold up is that +VAT or inclusive??? will be mighty embrassing if its not inclusive.

Sorry guys but I might have to get in on this if it all seems legit - at the mo it seems too good to be true!

Raunchz your to easily persuaded LOL, if its legit then why not I say!

ManC

[raunchz]

Not sure tbh

[manc]

Yeh, the thing is that the other deal has come at a 'good' time and is significantly cheaper - which makes me a bit nervous, seems a bit 'too good to be true' - it does save £65 !

Will see what he says.

Is a good shout about buying anything 'big'/expensive to buy it on your credit card as it gives you more protection - it's what I'm going to do.

Completely agree with you Raunchz, I look forward to the reply from GazVTRsaxo, the saving being offered is too good turn down. :y:

ManC

[GazVTRSaxo]

......

[Millsy85]

Update over on the thread at 106oc, good news £380 delivered incs vat.

JP4 and J4 pistons available.

Any questions give me a call on 07974266496 - tom

Genuine buyers only please going to try and get a quick turn around on this.

Sounds good, hope its legit, is too good a price to miss. If it goes ahead i'm in. Can pay whenever.

[GazVTRSaxo]

Millsy 85 you want me too put your name down over on 106 oc?

[L16_vts]

put mine down gaz.

[Spanky]

hmmm only thing is they want the money in the next few weeks, and well i wont have it then....

does this meen "THIS" group buy is over then??

will be mighty fucking pissed off if it is tbh

[blackie_2k5]

this is the guy selling on ebay, doesnt offer 8v pistons, will also be very pissed off if this fall through, if engough interest remains for 5 set of 8v manc can you still sort it out, 8v lads get your interest in

[Spanky]

well im 110% in, and im guessing you are to, so there is 2 lol

3 more should not be hard to find surely...

i hope not anyways as i really want these now!

[blackie_2k5]

already got things planned out now and im in deserado need, im defo in, im sure the price manc confirmed was a set of three which we well exceeded so if manc can shed some more light on this mabe evryone can still be satisfied, and the 16v lads can go with the cheaper option,

[Spanky]

hmm yea if it was for 3 sets im sure we could get one more person in tbh.

[blackie_2k5]

ounds promising, COME PPLZ, PLENTY VTR TURBO THREADS!!!!

[Spanky]

maybe put "1 more 8v owner needed" in the thread title?

[manc]

hmmm only thing is they want the money in the next few weeks, and well i wont have it then....

does this meen "THIS" group buy is over then??

will be mighty fucking pissed off if it is tbh

this is the guy selling on ebay, doesnt offer 8v pistons, will also be very pissed off if this fall through, if engough interest remains for 5 set of 8v manc can you still sort it out, 8v lads get your interest in

well im 110% in, and im guessing you are to, so there is 2 lol

3 more should not be hard to find surely...

i hope not anyways as i really want these now!

already got things planned out now and im in deserado need, im defo in, im sure the price manc confirmed was a set of three which we well exceeded so if manc can shed some more light on this mabe evryone can still be satisfied, and the 16v lads can go with the cheaper option,

hmm yea if it was for 3 sets im sure we could get one more person in tbh.

ounds promising, COME PPLZ, PLENTY VTR TURBO THREADS!!!!

maybe put "1 more 8v owner needed" in the thread title?

Apologies for not posting sooner, been busy with work & home stuff last couple of days.

As you are all aware the 106oc group-buy is legitimate from the details provided and the HUGE difference in cost has made me along with quite a few other change there minds on who's supplying them, from what I can tell 8v pistons are not being offered.

If you'd like me to help with the purchase of the VTR f/pistons via cituning I shall, I have not made cituning aware of these changes and I see no reason why they wont honour the 3off pricing (£450).

From the information I have collected Blackie, Saxo_89 & Sexoturb require VTR f/pistons, if you could get another 2 people who want VTR f/pistons then the lower 5off pricing would be applicable (£435).

It would be a good idea to change the title to somthing more appropriate to VTR owners...

Hope the above helps.

ManC

[blackie_2k5]

will make a new thread reagrd to the vtr pistons, obvs you'd go for the cheaper option i would myself lol but yeah hes deffo not offering th 8vs i emailed him weeks ago,