just bought my first VTR and want it to be quicker already

[1ntense]

Its standard apart from a k&n induction kit

I understand that a panel filter is the better option?

It sounds rather grunty but Im not that keen on the sound really, how would changing it for a panel filter affect the sound?

Am I right in thinking that to fit an induction kit, you need to remove the air filter box as I dont think I noticed one when looking under the bonnet? If so, has anyone got one for sale?

The car seems to pull quite well, I had a cavalier gsi back in the day, its not as fast but Im still pretty happy with it. Just think it feels a bit 'loose' thats the best way I can describe it.

I got a good deal on it, well I think it was as I paid £1200 for a Y plate with 78k on it that felt better to drive than one I looked at this morning with 68k and the guy was asking for £2250 lol said least he would take would be £1900

Would fitting a supersprint system (just centre pipe and back box) or a supersprint centre pipe and kam racing back box see any noticable increase in performance?

Same question but with the system and a manifold? Not sure I want to plump for a mani yet though.

Are there any cheap mods that would make the engine feel 'tighter' to drive?

Cheers

Danny

[Kev_Vtec]

as for power drop a vts engine ;) also try a good service.
or just put a 4-2-1 on and a good system also a good forced filter.
a local lad has a vtr and its just as fast as a vts!

[bald24]

Give the thing a full service, if it's got old fuel or old fuel/oil filters it'll reduce performance.

[1ntense]

thanks for the replies.

the one I drove this morning, the guy said he had just replaced the fuel filters, the engine on this one, I would say feels a bit better though.

what about spark plugs? cheap but would they do anything? lol

can I ask what a forced air filter is please?

[frankie]

just normal NGK spark plugs are fine.

forced induction you mean, its either a turbo or supercharger.

[Kev_Vtec]

see this project thread.
its the vtr that can keep and beat vts on the strip and of.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252579

[1ntense]

thanks mate, will have a look.

turbo or supercharger lol sounds expensive

[Kev_Vtec]

ide get a good air filter on it and a cold air feed. then service again
then 4-2-1 or 4-1 mani, race pipe etc

[1ntense]

not sure how to go about getting rid of the induction kit and fitting a normal air box with panel filter in it though, any tips?

[Ashleyp]

see this project thread.
its the vtr that can keep and beat vts on the strip and of.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252579

let's be honest

comparing a modded VTR to a standard VTS doesnt prove anything...

anyone with brains know's that modding an 8v is pissing into the wind. the 16v is always a better platform for modding.

[Kev_Vtec]

let's be honest

comparing a modded VTR to a standard VTS doesnt prove anything...

anyone with brains know's that modding an 8v is pissing into the wind. the 16v is always a better platform for modding.

it keeps with a modded vts ask any of the scottish members. its a fast vtr.
yes a 16v is a better platform to start with but he hasnt got one so the vtr will have to do.

[Ashleyp]

it keeps with a modded vts ask any of the scottish members. its a fast vtr.
yes a 16v is a better platform to start with but he hasnt got one so the vtr will have to do.

but for the price of modding a vtr to get it up to a 16v standard you could buy a 16v engine and put it in...

and before you say "insurance will be higher" if you declared all the mods you bought to get the vtr to that of a vts than im pretty sure insurance wont exactly be cheap

unless your spending a lot of money on camshaft's to get the powerband into the higher revs than the 8v engine will always be sluggish.

[1ntense]

unfortunatly the insurance was just over what I was prepared to pay for a VTS, I would consider planting a VTS engine in it and not declaring though lol

depends on how much it would cost me for the engine and the fitting though, doesnt sound cheap?

[Ashleyp]

unfortunatly the insurance was just over what I was prepared to pay for a VTS, I would consider planting a VTS engine in it and not declaring though lol

depends on how much it would cost me for the engine and the fitting though, doesnt sound cheap?

i'd leave it standard if your not going to declare your mods...

[1ntense]

but I want it faster.. lol

I would consider declaring it if I put one in, how much would I be looking at for an engine and getting it fitted?

[Ashleyp]

but I want it faster.. lol

I would consider declaring it if I put one in, how much would I be looking at for an engine and getting it fitted?

without trying to sound rude, you sound pretty young and naive

as i said, if your not going to declare your mod's i wouldnt do anything...

learn to drive the vtr properly before you get hung up on performance mods

[1ntense]

I plan to learn to drive it better, Im just thinking to the future and Im 29 btw, wouldnt class myself as naive either.

Why is it everyone on forums want to portray that they do everything by the book lol makes me laugh.

Thanks for your input anyway mate

Danny

[Ashleyp]

I plan to learn to drive it better, Im just thinking to the future and Im 29 btw, wouldnt class myself as naive either.

Why is it everyone on forums want to portray that they do everything by the book lol makes me laugh.

Thanks for your input anyway mate

Danny

if your 29 and struggling to insure a vtr then youve got problems lol

+ this website in particular likes to portray it self as different from the normal chavvy saxo owner. im sure there's quite a few on here that havnt declared mods, but admitting it and expecting not to be ridiculed for it is ambitious to say the least ;)

the law's simple. if you cant afford it, dont have it

[1ntense]

as I said in my other post, the only problem Ive got is that I was late in passing my driving test. I have now though so happy days :)

So only chavs dont declare their mods? Im no chav and I would consider not declaring as Im sure many others would and are not chavs either.

you may have tried to ridicule me but unfortunately for you, you have failed ;)

I would appreciate it if you dint post on my threads anymore as I dont like your holier than thou attitude.

Thanks

[Ashleyp]

as I said in my other post, the only problem Ive got is that I was late in passing my driving test. I have now though so happy days :)

So only chavs dont declare their mods? Im no chav and I would consider not declaring as Im sure many others would and are not chavs either.

you may have tried to ridicule me but unfortunately for you, you have failed ;)

I would appreciate it if you dint post on my threads anymore as I dont like your holier than thou attitude.

Thanks

firstly, i havnt tried to ridicule you, ive simply pointed out the facts

secondly, your insurance is high, either put up with it or get a lesser car

thirdly, most people work hard to insure their cars and theyre mods, the reason the price is high is to do with un-insured drivers crashing

fourthly, i did declare my car and all it's mods

and yes by not declaring mods you would fall into the category of being uninsured

im sure that it'd be intresting to see what would happen if you did do a 16v conversion and didnt declare it, then crashed into someone and hurt them...

[1ntense]

if your 29 and struggling to insure a vtr then youve got problems lol


firstly, you have tried to ridicule me a you said the above in 2 of my posts.

secondly, I am putting up with it, as I dont have a choice if I want a decent car

thirdly, thats got nothing to do with me as I am insured

fourthly, I couldnt give 2 streaks of piss whether you declared that your pits stunk and that it could affect your driving ability.

Not sure where you're getting that I have not declared my mods to my insurance company as my car is standard lol

As I said, I would appreciate it if you refrained from posting on my threads please.

Thanks

Danny

[johnr32]

TBH if it were me..the cheapest "mods" you could do is give it a full service. Should never believe anyone you dont personally know.

[1ntense]

good point mate.

what exactly does a service consist of?

[JamesR]

good point mate.

what exactly does a service consist of?

Spark plugs, air filter, oil change and new oil filter normally, could do the fuel filter aswell as some other little bits if you wanted.

[1ntense]

not sure how that would work with the air filter as mine has got a k&n induction kit. Would rather it didnt tbh, much rather have the standard air box so I could slip in a green cotton panel filter in it.

how much would I be looking at for a service?

[Ashleyp]

firstly, you have tried to ridicule me a you said the above in 2 of my posts.

secondly, I am putting up with it, as I dont have a choice if I want a decent car

thirdly, thats got nothing to do with me as I am insured

fourthly, I couldnt give 2 streaks of piss whether you declared that your pits stunk and that it could affect your driving ability.

Not sure where you're getting that I have not declared my mods to my insurance company as my car is standard lol

As I said, I would appreciate it if you refrained from posting on my threads please.

Thanks

Danny

my point was regarding your earlier posts where you was intrested in doing a 16v conversion and not declaring it.

[JamesR]

not sure how that would work with the air filter as mine has got a k&n induction kit. Would rather it didnt tbh, much rather have the standard air box so I could slip in a green cotton panel filter in it.

how much would I be looking at for a service?

Depends which garage you go to or if you do it yourself (easy jobs tbh)

And just get some K&N filter cleaner as wash your induction kit when it looks dirty :)

[johnr32]

you will be surprised at how much powah you get once the saxo gets a nice delicious service as most cars havent been serviced since the 100BC...

[1ntense]

nice one, will take it to a garage within the next few days for a quote and see about getting some of the cleaning stuff, from memory of looking at it today, it did look a bit dirty lol

[-shuggles-]

why not get agood suspension set up and better brakes? power isnt always everything:y:

[Cammy]

When it comes to power, i see "16v it" "stick a VTS in"

I for one wont do that, because what will put a smile on my face will be sticking money into an 8v that can whip the shit out of a GTI or a VTS, now some people will slant me for this or saying im speaking shit, but ive raced a 106 GTI - and my car standard isnt that far off it, the only time he edges away is after 60 and even then im not far off his tail or his rear is passed me.

Now, as in the other thread kev linked a thread to a vtr that has some work done to it that does eat vts's

When it comes down to it, how much bigger is the VTS Engine in terms of weight ? its roughly about 35kg more. But then again you can look at the factory stats for 1/4 miles time, the VTS is 16.62 at 1/4 a mile and the VTR is 17.92 1/4 mile.

Thats not that far off, i for one am going to be sticking my money in my VTR by only using the best and once ive hit 130 BHP at N/A (dont give me snide comments about this, its possible with allot of work) i will possibly look at doing further work, as my vtr will be kept mostly all of my life as its a car that was gifted to me on a "special" birthday, and to me im in the hopes that like most classics the VTR or VTS will be one of them one day.

[johnr32]

why not get agood suspension set up and better brakes? power isnt always everything:y:

I would probably also recommend this. lowering is a must!

[Ashleyp]

When it comes to power, i see "16v it" "stick a VTS in"

I for one wont do that, because what will put a smile on my face will be sticking money into an 8v that can whip the shit out of a GTI or a VTS, now some people will slant me for this or saying im speaking shit, but ive raced a 106 GTI - and my car standard isnt that far off it, the only time he edges away is after 60 and even then im not far off his tail or his rear is passed me.

Now, as in the other thread kev linked a thread to a vtr that has some work done to it that does eat vts's

When it comes down to it, how much bigger is the VTS Engine in terms of weight ? its roughly about 35kg more. But then again you can look at the factory stats for 1/4 miles time, the VTS is 16.62 at 1/4 a mile and the VTR is 17.92 1/4 mile.

Thats not that far off, i for one am going to be sticking my money in my VTR by only using the best and once ive hit 130 BHP at N/A (dont give me snide comments about this, its possible with allot of work) i will possibly look at doing further work, as my vtr will be kept mostly all of my life as its a car that was gifted to me on a "special" birthday, and to me im in the hopes that like most classics the VTR or VTS will be one of them one day.

have you driven both the 8v and 16v engine? there's so much more to it than which is quicker in a straght line

by the time youve spent your £1000's getting it to 130bhp, you could have spent less on a 16v engine, and see more than 130bhp + the fact the 16v is a better engine to drive.

im not saying all 8v's are bad btw, sandy will say more than anyone on here the quality of the 8v's he's built and seen... but the 16v model is always the better option.

[moxy89]

When it comes to power, i see "16v it" "stick a VTS in"

I for one wont do that, because what will put a smile on my face will be sticking money into an 8v that can whip the shit out of a GTI or a VTS, now some people will slant me for this or saying im speaking shit, but ive raced a 106 GTI - and my car standard isnt that far off it, the only time he edges away is after 60 and even then im not far off his tail or his rear is passed me.

Now, as in the other thread kev linked a thread to a vtr that has some work done to it that does eat vts's

When it comes down to it, how much bigger is the VTS Engine in terms of weight ? its roughly about 35kg more. But then again you can look at the factory stats for 1/4 miles time, the VTS is 16.62 at 1/4 a mile and the VTR is 17.92 1/4 mile.

Thats not that far off, i for one am going to be sticking my money in my VTR by only using the best and once ive hit 130 BHP at N/A (dont give me snide comments about this, its possible with allot of work) i will possibly look at doing further work, as my vtr will be kept mostly all of my life as its a car that was gifted to me on a "special" birthday, and to me im in the hopes that like most classics the VTR or VTS will be one of them one day.

that down to the driver mate... a standard s kills a standard R.. VTR run out of punch within seconds.. yes a R with work done would (could beat a vts) however if the same mods done to the VTS yet again your arse would be handed to you...

[johnr32]

that down to the driver mate... a standard s kills a standard R.. VTR run out of punch within seconds.. yes a R with work done would (could beat a vts) however if the same mods done to the VTS yet again your arse would be handed to you...

True but tbh everyone has a different approach to everything so if it makes them happy then its all good ;)

[ManGo-SaXo]

could do the fuel filter aswell

I've a few days ago bought a new fuel filter, easy to fit?

[Keifer1903]

def go with bigger breaks and good suspension

[Saaamon]

I plan to learn to drive it better, Im just thinking to the future and Im 29 btw, wouldnt class myself as naive either.

Why is it everyone on forums want to portray that they do everything by the book lol makes me laugh.

Thanks for your input anyway mate

Danny

Because most of us do things by the book on here. Just spend your money on track tution and track time if you can't afford the insurance.

[Jordy6969]

In my opinion I think people on this site don't take into regard members love and faith for their current cars without sticking a valver in it. I know alot of people who would much prefer to slightly mod their VTR rather than do an engine conversion.

Regarding not declaring mods, alot of people listen to the advice about sticking a 16v lump in, and then don't declare it, because then fair enough it would be a much cheaper option. However as stated above your not actually insured if you do this, and your officially f**ked if you hurt someone, could end up losing all your assets.