vtr vs vts

[riggsy]

hey dont wana sound stupid but this probaly will so here goes anyway lol

i have a 98bhp vtr with full custom system and enclosed bmc so i think this should be pushing out over 100bhp now right!? oh and i have my rear stripped out! a good mate of mine is getting a standard vts this weekend, who would win in a race say from red lights up to 100mph? is it worth going up agaist a vts?

i guess what im trying to ask is, is a standard vts alot faster than my vtr??

ta riggsy smileys/smiley4.gif ps i dont usualy race people!!

[willsy]

VTS is the shizzle, id say it wud win hands down.

[Chris_Mcj]

I think he'd whoop your ass to 100.
And if you gonna do it, do it stupidly late at night- like 3/4 Am. Not that im saying you should do it atall before i get batterd by other members... smileys/smiley14.gif

[riggsy]

VTS is the shizzle, id say it wud win hands down.

realy? ive heard not sure if its true that the vtr stays with the vts right up to 60mph then the 16v on the vts kicks in and off she goes!?

my vtr pulls amazinly even after 60mph right up to 100mph!!

[patrick2403]

let his tyres down

[Chris_Mcj]

let his tyres down

or stick summmin up his exhaust smileys/smiley2.gif

[riggsy]

I think he'd whoop your ass to 100.
And if you gonna do it, do it stupidly late at night- like 3/4 Am. Not that im saying you should do it atall before i get batterd by other members... smileys/smiley14.gif

oh yeh im with ya realy honestly never race seen a few accidents and its not fair to other road users on public roads!!

[willsy]

wait till FCS n take him on on the track smileys/smiley17.gif

[riggsy]

wait till FCS n take him on on the track smileys/smiley17.gif

yeh would love to do something like that!

just wondering at the min though dont realy want my ass handed to me lol

[l1ukeRS]

i raced a 106 gti 4 times 2 nites ago and killed it all four times it nearly had me an the 1 way back up hill though and ive got standard airbox + pannel filter, 2" powerflow zorst an sum hotshot in the fuel an i was runnin optimax i rekon u can feel the difference!

[l1ukeRS]

ohh yer im stripped out 2 smileys/smiley17.gif

[riggsy]

realy you beat a gti?? alot depends on the driver though dont it!?

does anyone know what modds you need to get the vtr to stay with a standard vts?

[l1ukeRS]

yeah i was proper surprised too mate lol, i rekon a decat decent induction kit an zorst maybe a cam should do it, how much heavier than a vtr r they?

[patrick2403]

cam it.

[riggsy]

nah tbh didnt realy wana have to chip or cam it maybe in the late future!

replacement manifold when be on after mot as my cat sits in the downpipe smileys/smiley19.gifso that should unleash some power....

[l1ukeRS]

isnt -30kg = to 10 bhp or summat?
cuz the vts 15 kgs heavier than a vtr not alot but still heavier and it only makes 7ftlb more torque than a vtr, all us with vtrs cud just buy 1 of these 50bhp chips for 99p lol then well kill all of ya smileys/smiley14.gif joke before sum1 thinks im serius lol smileys/smiley3.gif

[patrick2403]

get some neon washer jets they add 100bhp

[Dan]

Racing is for the track!

There wouldnt be that much difference to 60mph but the power of the vts doesnt kick in until after 4000rpm. Vts would win in the end. smileys/smiley2.gif

[SteVTR]

dont want to piss on you lots parade here but when i had my old cammed vtr it would sit with a vts/gti but it wouldnt kick its arse

if you do beat the vts the guy driving it must be a very shit driver

[riggsy]

Racing is for the track!

There wouldnt be that much difference to 60mph but the power of the vts doesnt kick in until after 4000rpm. Vts would win in the end. smileys/smiley2.gif

would it? by a lot? or not mate?


could people please not spam on this post please? smileys/smiley5.gif

[SteVTR]

There wouldnt be that much difference to 60mph but the power of the vts doesnt kick in until after 4000rpm. Vts would win in the end. smileys/smiley2.gif


everyone says that about vts's dan but mine kicks in just after 3k smileys/smiley5.gif

[riggsy]

so what your saying is when the vts's 16v kicks in the vtr has no chance and the vts leaves it?

[scook]

a lot of pople who have a vtr think they are a match for a vts, This is not the case !!!

VTS Kicks VTR ASS !!!!!</font>

[riggsy]

a lot of pople who have a vtr think they are a match for a vts, This is not the case !!!

VTS Kicks VTR ASS !!!!!</font>

can you explain that then?

[scook]

i know a couple of people who have a VTR (im sure there not the only ones) , who think there VTR is the fastest thing on four wheels, just cos they put an induction kit and exhaust on it they think it turns into some sort of speed machine.

[SteVTR]

so what your saying is when the vts's 16v kicks in the vtr has no chance and the vts leaves it?

as soon as the vts comes on cam mate the vtr wont keep up with it,it'll slowly loose ground to the vts thats what i'm saying

unless the vtr is charged lol

[SteVTR]

i know a couple of people who have a VTR (im sure there not the only ones) , who think there VTR is the fastest thing on four wheels, just cos they put an induction kit and exhaust on it they think it turns into some sort of speed machine.



rofl i know loads of vtr drivers like that usually come out with things like "my k&n gives me 5bhp and my powerflow gives me about 9bhp and my cheap mildsteel manifold thats blowing gives me 15 bhp so as soon as i get my cams in i'll destroy your vts anyday" its rather amusing

[riggsy]

i know a couple of people who have a VTR (im sure there not the only ones) , who think there VTR is the fastest thing on four wheels, just cos they put an induction kit and exhaust on it they think it turns into some sort of speed machine.



what the fuck you on about mate i said no spamming in the post fuckoff! smileys/smiley7.gif full of shit no use to anyone!

[scook]

wasnt spamming , was asked to explain why i post my previous post (so i answered that question)

[Scott]

My word there is some shite in here. A vts will hand a vtr its arse all over the shop. More power minimal weight difference and short ratio gear box.

Just look at the standard figures to 100, the vts is something stupid like 8 secs faster.

And how can you compare a modified car to a standard car.

Its been proven before for a vtr to keep pace with a vts it does need some work and its more than breathing mods.

[black_rat_uk]

saying a vtr will beat a vts ( unless turbo'd ) is like me saying my 1.1 will beat a ferrari theres really no sense in saying it!!lol

[Mr_Hush]

lol @ some of the posts in here

[Bakes_vtr]

i agree with what most people said, a vts will kill a vtr unless it has been extensivly modified, even then, a vts with minimal mods would kick its arse!

why do you think there is 7 insurance groups between a vtr and a vts? the vts is a much faster car no matter how you look at it mate, stick some forced induction on it and then you can can laugh at any vts you see smileys/smiley2.gif

[dsh85]

i noticed the diffrence when i changed! it is most noticable like people said before after around 4000rpm but dosent mean it will stick with a vtr until 60. 0-60 stats say the vts is around 2-2.5 seconds quicker to the 60 depending where you look. ive never seen an on par result smileys/smiley14.gif

[cammedvtr]

im just waiting for the quarter to race some vts's and see how ive spent my money... time will tell. smileys/smiley20.gif

i'll try and keep the vtr's name flying for us.lol

[Scott]

give a vts the same mods as you thoughsmileys/smiley17.gif

though with your spec alex vtrs have beaten standard vts' on the quarter mile

[scottyvts]

you just keep dreaming mate!

[bennivtr]

hey dont wana sound stupid but this probaly will so here goes anyway lol

i have a 98bhp vtr with full custom system and enclosed bmc so i think this should be pushing out over 100bhp now right!? oh and i have my rear stripped out! a good mate of mine is getting a standard vts this weekend, who would win in a race say from red lights up to 100mph? is it worth going up agaist a vts?

i guess what im trying to ask is, is a standard vts alot faster than my vtr??

ta riggsy smileys/smiley4.gif ps i dont usualy race people!!

i say have a go at him matey, course the vts is faster, but its not that much faster, and of course a vts will leave u for dead top end.



Iv raced vts's before, road and strip, and i wasnt that far behind for missing 8 valves and 30-40 bhp.

bear in mind i just have 2 buckets smileys/smiley9.gif

[bennivtr]

O and i raced a mates black mk2 vts, without egr valve, 4-2-1, straight through, green enclosed. he got a 15.8 quarter

I had full interior, boot build, and my 16" super t's, and i got a 17.6 quarter and just a backbox and bmc.


Now ive got my standard rims back on, full system, and no ice or interior, and there's not alot in it with a vts. Im not a bull shitter, i know a vts is faster, but its not that far off.

[leminho]

you could trie smileys/smiley17.gif
but i think you won't win
with a couple more changes you could compete a VTS
but with the costs of all those changes and the insurance goes up, you could better buy a VTS mate

[cammedvtr]

ill tickle a vts with filter and zorst down the quarter im not shy. at the end of the day if i lose fair play, but if i win it will shut a few people up and put a smile on my face. im hopeing to hit the quarter in a couple of months so i will let people know the times. According to my last rolling road i have more bhp and more torque than a standard vts, so with a little luck. smileys/smiley4.gif

[Scott]

compare like for likesmileys/smiley17.gif i beleive you will beat a standard vts, its been done before

[patrick2403]

saying a vtr will beat a vts ( unless turbo'd ) is like me saying my 1.1 will beat a ferrari theres really no sense in saying it!!lol


LMBO! © sax-p classic post smileys/smiley20.gif

[Reef]

Hmmm...intresting post.

In my honest opinion, i think both cars are slow, i own a saxo vtr 51 plate, so called '98' bhp model, i dont think its fast at all, i must admit it has really good handling, but then when you look into that aspect there's no point with those crappy brakes, i bought it ONLY for the looks, love the standard VT trim, very tidy looking small car & for insuarance reasons. VTS is obviously quicker/faster, common sence sould tell you that!

[cammedvtr]

scott, i wouldnt expect to beat a vts with cams mate.lol. but i hope to dust the vts's with simple mods. time will tell.

reef at the end of the day mate there only 1.6 engines so there not going to be that quick. but like most people on here all you can do is build the best you can. smileys/smiley2.gif

[Reef]

scott, i wouldnt expect to beat a vts with cams mate.lol. but i hope to dust the vts's with simple mods. time will tell.

reef at the end of the day mate there only 1.6 engines so there not going to be that quick. but like most people on here all you can do is build the best you can. smileys/smiley2.gif

I know mate, but that said.... my civic vti's were 1.6 !!! (cough!), anyway .... mate i love your car ! engine wise !!, thats exactly what i want to do with mine, not to whoop vts's or anything, it's just a hobby at the end of the day, but your engine's my ideal mod list for my VTR. Excellent ! smileys/smiley14.gif

[Scott]

scott, i wouldnt expect to beat a vts with cams mate.lol. but i hope to dust the vts's with simple mods. time will tell.

i have a tenner saying you do

[Reef]

LOL really ? how much bhp is cammedVTR kicking out ? i like what his done to it though, all those mods are bang on, if your not going for the turbo/supercharger route.

[yorkie]

cammed is 133bhp and mines

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/yorkproton/rollingroad.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/yorkproton/Picture051.jpg


we keeping the mk1 vtr flag flying!!! smileys/smiley2.gif smileys/smiley4.gif

[Ratty]

so both at the fly then as cammed is at the fly.

[grantsp51]

a know vts are faster than vtrs but could someone please tell me why ma vtr kept right beside a starlet glanza.
and there around 120 bhp

[yorkie]

so both at the fly then as cammed is at the fly.

how can they meature it on the fly when its the wheels push the rolling road around????

[Scott]

because they apply some gay pre meditated formula to calculate the fly wheel figure because it is higher than the wheels figure and "looks" better.

[cammedvtr]

yeh mine is the calculated fly figure, but it will be more than 133bhm and 118ft/lb torque now because i have done some other mods since that last figure and the car feel more responsive torque wise.

scott i hope i do beat the odd vts, and if i do ill buy you a beer for the support. lolsmileys/smiley4.gif

reef, all the mods ive done are very simple and stright forward mods. all can be done in the garage by yourself. ive done all the work myself and it seems to be putting good enough figures out.

grantsp51, the starlet is only about 130bhp ish, so there isnt that much differnece. ive seen a couple of them run the quarter mile and they put later 15's down so it doesnt seem strange to me that you can keep with one.

[cammedvtr]

yorkvtr, i dont understand how you can have 130bhp with no cam, whats your mods mate? smileys/smiley4.gif

[yorkie]

???? like i have been over this 5 times in topic.

i ahve no idea on the car history so only bit i can see!!!

o and i have added a de-cat since that reading!!!

[cammedvtr]

think we need to have a good look at your engine mate and see what we can find out.lol. 130bhp is crazy with no cam and no de-cat imo...

[yorkie]

i know matey. kershew did say that the rollers has been calibrated that week and the reading was at the wheels!!! dodgy!!!


i not very good with engines i really not to sure wot to look for but i am learning all the time!!!!

[cammedvtr]

we need a big print out mate smileys/smiley4.gif

[Ratty]

i think the answer here is that you shouldnt take everyones word as gosbil expecially rolling roads unless they can prove its calibrated, ie put a standard car on the rollers and it gets the expected wheel and fly figure quoted for that car, if your car was 130+ at the wheels thats over 160 at the fly which is super/turbcharging area.

[hesslevtr]

i know matey. kershew did say that the rollers has been calibrated that week and the reading was at the wheels!!! dodgy!!!


i not very good with engines i really not to sure wot to look for but i am learning all the time!!!!

when we went alex they also said it had been calibrated the week before they must say that to everyone
no two rolling roads are going to be the same

vts is quicker by the way

[yorkie]

o i know that thats why i q'ed him 2 times about it!!!

[cammedvtr]

i said the same ratty on the other thread, it cant be 160bhp at the fly.lol.

york all you have to do it beat a vts, are you cool mate.lol

[ppavli]

get a standard vtr wack and exhaust system on it and a rallye gearbox that wil beat a vts hands down

[cammedvtr]

what even with flat tyres???lol smileys/smiley17.gif

[keydogg]

VTR 0-100 30s
VTS 0-100 22s

just to clarify from the first few posts: breathing mods + stipped interior still wont bring you near 22seconds.

i think some people did a test on the saxo sports club forum and they found that a VTR needs around 132bhp to be on par with a VTS with standard gearboxes!

[cammedvtr]

ill tickle one for you.lol

think it depends on the drive because i know vts which have run later 16's and vtrs that have ran early 16's smileys/smiley4.gif

[Mitchell]

love ur car ^^ looks the balls

[cammedvtr]

thanks mate, just hope i can make it go as fast as the engine looks on the quarter next month.lol smileys/smiley4.gif

[ppavli]

all im saying is that a vtr can easily be on par with a vts just by changing the gearbox, vts's are fast but they are'nt gonna run rings around a vtr, i raced my mates 106 gti runnin 131bhp when i had a stanadrd vtr box and im ahead of him up to 80mph

[Scott]

The rallye box is short but its not so much shorter than a vts box to make up a 30bhp difference and 8 secs difference to 100 especially with the lower rev limit

[ppavli]

naa but im sayin i beat him to 80 smileys/smiley2.gif not 100

[cammedvtr]

yeh but you could put a dogg box or any race box in a vts and you'd never catch it. smileys/smiley4.gif

[slammed_vtr]

could you put a vts box on a vtr and would it make a difference?

[Sean]

yup you'd gain acceleration but lose top end speed.

[droopster]

At the end of the day you have to modify a vtr to be par or better with a vts so obviously the vts is quicker. Of course a vtr can beat a vts if you moddify it properly, but then its not standard and its a modded car against a standard car. it can be down to what happens on the day, and that could be nebodys. smileys/smiley17.gif

[saxo_vts16v]

i raced a vtr at the weekend gave him about a 3 secs head start at the lights and a stil went past him with ease im really amazed with what an extra 8 vales does like

[saxo_vts16v]

valves sorry

[saxodaffy]

back to the vts gear box in a vtr . i put a vts one in my vtr an it increast its top end speed by about 7 - 10 mph used to do just short of 120 and now it will do just short of 130

[scook]

all im saying is that a vtr can easily be on par with a vts just by changing the gearbox, vts's are fast but they are'nt gonna run rings around a vtr, i raced my mates 106 gti runnin 131bhp when i had a stanadrd vtr box and im ahead of him up to 80mph

Think you would have to change more than the gearbox to keep up with a VTS, beating a gti 131 bhp with a VTR, i dont think so (was he racing you or did he let you win)

[droopster]

Did the bloke realise it was a race or was it just u racin and im not having ne idea.lol. Still say a vts is quicker hands down.

[Sean]

back to the vts gear box in a vtr . i put a vts one in my vtr an it increast its top end speed by about 7 - 10 mph used to do just short of 120 and now it will do just short of 130

then you haven't fitted a vts box. no way would a vts box give a higher top speed than a vtr box.

[saxodaffy]

bought the box from near haydock an waited for them to take it out a the wrote of vts that was rear ended and me and a friend at a garage fitted it but had to change the gear linkage around.

[DarylVTR]

i have owned a vts and vtr, i must say to 60 i dont think there is much in it but u can notice the 16v after about 80mph, it kicks in nicely where as the vtr gets upto speed slower, but for the insurance difference and realiability id stick with the vtr mate.


If its not broken dont fix it.

[thoms04]

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[citroenaxgtr]

one has 16 valves the other has eight!,
one was made slower by being restricted by the exhaust (to push the sales up on the S version)
one has a shorter gear ratio..
one has a longer gear ratio...
i dont think there is alot of difference in the engines for an off the mark prospective but the fact that the vtr has a restriction in the exhaust and a long ratio gearbox lets it down!. sort these little things out (box,zaust) and i dont think there will be much difference off the mark!.

[cammedvtr]

cant belive this is still going on.haha smileys/smiley4.gif

[p2ck]

my missus has a gti I have a vtr.
we both have the same mods (de-cat & induction kit)
shes on 17s I'm on 14s (16s next week)

she pisses on me everytime smileys/smiley19.gif

[mike_vts]

vts all the way my clocks could be out but raced a 106 gti down the motor way and was just over 130 was a good laugh coz we was sided by side undertakin loadsa stuff but done a vtr before but was right with me till about 70

[hesslevtr]

my missus has a gti I have a vtr.
we both have the same mods (de-cat & induction kit)
shes on 17s I'm on 14s (16s next week)

she pisses on me everytime smileys/smiley19.gif



into watersports are you

vts are quicker then vtrs end of

[riggsy]

cant belive this is still going on.haha smileys/smiley4.gif

yeh me neither shouldnt have posted how silly of me smileys/smiley17.gif

[vtrchris64]

vts all the way my clocks could be out but raced a 106 gti down the motor way and was just over 130 was a good laugh coz we was sided by side undertakin loadsa stuff but done a vtr before but was right with me till about 70

130 on the motorway undertaking traffic!!
Thats just stupid if its true!
How do you get so cool?

[mike_vts]

it was late at nite wats the problem with that

[mike_vts]

its only wrong if you get caught

[hesslevtr]

it was late at nite wats the problem with that

you were still racing 130mph with other cars about

[mike_vts]

so your saying uve never raced anyone when there has been other cars about

[mike_vts]

oh yea the cool thing takes a lot of hard work by the way i wasnt trying to be cool i just didnt want to be beaten

[p2ck]

my missus has a gti I have a vtr.
we both have the same mods (de-cat & induction kit)
shes on 17s I'm on 14s (16s next week)

she pisses on me everytime smileys/smiley19.gif



into watersports are you

vts are quicker then vtrs end of

I bling that much even me showers are golden smileys/smiley2.gif

[scook]

its only wrong if you get caught


or if you kill other innocent drivers, speedings not a thing to brag about

[mike_vts]

really