Proper nice sidelights (hids?)

[Mattquantrill101]

Whilst stood on guard this week, cars have to turn there dipped beams off and switch to their sidelights. Ive noticed a few cars with these well nice side lights. They look like hids but are obviously sidelights. Can i get these in halfrauds?

[04jtb]

ebay's miles cheaper, I bought some similar to THESE (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270691396498) a while ago, and they're good, but I can't vouch for that seller as I've not bought from them.

[Mattquantrill101]

Nice one mate, ill see what other people can dig up and might get them. I think they were led's

[Abass123]

quad led 501 bulbs bright xenon white look mint :)

[Mattquantrill101]

Yeh they the ones i ordered from amazon. Thanks mate

[Abass123]

no worrys mate

[Rudpud]

I wouldnt use sidelights instead of dipped beam tho?

[AXracing]

Whilst stood on guard this week, cars have to turn there dipped beams off and switch to their sidelights. Ive noticed a few cars with these well nice side lights. They look like hids but are obviously sidelights. Can i get these in halfrauds?

A lot of new cars have what they call day time running lights. They are much brighter then your regular side lights. There is no way you could legally turn your side lights in to these for road use in the UK.

On a side note those LED conversion side lights bulbs are illegal in the uk for road use.

[Mattquantrill101]

Yeh they say there not e marked. Hmm, ive ordered them but i get a lot of hassle from old bill so in two minds weather to fit them or not. Proply will tho. But thanks mate :)

[CitroenSport]

quad led 501 bulbs bright xenon white look mint :)

thats what i have, dont think they are legal just like hid's but nothing else compares :y:

[skitts]

Yeh they say there not e marked. Hmm, ive ordered them but i get a lot of hassle from old bill so in two minds weather to fit them or not. Proply will tho. But thanks mate :)

i have white sidelights in as well as a 8000k kit never had any trouble from the old bill

[_-john-_]

Fucking hate HIDS. Dazzles oncoming drivers and is just a fucking pain in the arse when someones behind you with them.

They're pointless.

[Tom5190]

Fucking hate HIDS. Dazzles oncoming drivers and is just a fucking pain in the arse when someones behind you with them.

They're pointless.

Not really, only if the alignments are out

[Bedford126]

Fucking hate HIDS. Dazzles oncoming drivers and is just a fucking pain in the arse when someones behind you with them.

They're pointless.

+1

and most are illegal.

[_-john-_]

Not really, only if the alignments are out

Don't agree, they're overly bright for oncoming traffic, fucking infuriatingly so in fact.

They're for dipshit show offs who wanna boast about it on forums. No practical use/benefit in real life...don't give a shit what anyone says.

[johnr32]

Not really, only if the alignments are out

I suppose depends on what car. on 99% of cars it will dazzle like hell. It dazzles on a mk5 golf, mk4 golf, mk3 polo, mk1 puntos, the list is endless....

[_-john-_]

It almost gives me instant-roadrage, and I'm literally the most laid-back-don't-give-a-shit person you'll ever meet. I did a bit of research online and it seems theres plans on cracking down on this, not only on motorists (on the spot fine without any chance of a warning) but on MOT garages that pass cars with them on.

also pisses me off when people have their lights misaligned and it's blinding, it's quite painfully obvious when looking at how your light reflects on the back of the car in front that one/both lights are bright as a motherfucker.

[Tom5190]

Don't agree, they're overly bright for oncoming traffic, fucking infuriatingly so in fact.

They're for dipshit show offs who wanna boast about it on forums. No practical use/benefit in real life...don't give a shit what anyone says.

talking out of your arse there to be honest. Firstly they have a massive difference in light output, if they didnt then manufacture's wouldnt fit them. How the hell are they for showing off? there headlights :S

I see plenty of cars driving towards me that didnt have them fitted from manufacture and there not dazzling at all. Just idiots tend to fit them and not align the headlights proeprlly.

+1

and most are illegal.

All aftermarket HID kits are illegal for road use.

[Bedford126]

All aftermarket HID kits are illegal for road use.

not true hid kits are perfectly fine if you buy and use them with projector headlight units.

[johnr32]

not true hid kits are perfectly fine if you buy and use them with projector headlight units.

not true. refer to relevant post/threads by AXracing

[Rudpud]

It almost gives me instant-roadrage, and I'm literally the most laid-back-don't-give-a-shit person you'll ever meet. I did a bit of research online and it seems theres plans on cracking down on this, not only on motorists (on the spot fine without any chance of a warning) but on MOT garages that pass cars with them on.

also pisses me off when people have their lights misaligned and it's blinding, it's quite painfully obvious when looking at how your light reflects on the back of the car in front that one/both lights are bright as a motherfucker.

You are the least laid back person on here imo. The only cars i can say dazzle me with HID's are things like X5's and Range Rovers.

not true hid kits are perfectly fine if you buy and use them with projector headlight units.

They have to be fitted at manufacture to be road legal, due to other safety reasons.

[_-john-_]

talking out of your arse there to be honest. Firstly they have a massive difference in light output, if they didnt then manufacture's wouldnt fit them. How the hell are they for showing off? there headlights :S

I see plenty of cars driving towards me that didnt have them fitted from manufacture and there not dazzling at all. Just idiots tend to fit them and not align the headlights proeprlly.


And the need in light output is for?.....

Man kind has coped perfectly well without fucking dickhead bright lights on cars for many decades now, there are more accidents BECAUSE of drivers being dazzled by fuckwit 4 billion gigawatt lamps on cars than there are because of 'lack of visibility'. Fact.

You've bought into a bellend trend, simple.

[_-john-_]

You are the least laid back person on here imo. The only cars i can say dazzle me with HID's are things like X5's and Range Rovers.

Haha, ridiculous. You don't know anything about me sunshine. Wouldn't make some lighting debate something personal, it's pathetic.

[Rudpud]

Haha, ridiculous. You don't know anything about me sunshine. Wouldn't make some lighting debate something personal, it's pathetic.

You posts prove im right. Either way, forget about that. I like the lights for the light they produce... just as many others do. They do increase visabilty as i found out when i managed to use some for 5 minutes. Any increase in light output, by any bulb will make it harder for oncoming traffic to see.

[Tom5190]

And the need in light output is for?.....

Man kind has coped perfectly well without fucking dickhead bright lights on cars for many decades now, there are more accidents BECAUSE of drivers being dazzled by fuckwit 4 billion gigawatt lamps on cars than there are because of 'lack of visibility'. Fact.

You've bought into a bellend trend, simple.

I bought HIDS for the driving i do, doing loads of motorway driving at night, the standard lights on my car were shocking, to the point of being dangerous. How is it a trend :S like i said its a headlight its hardly a 'mod' as such.

But there not dazzling if the headlight level is set correct. Just as many standard bulbs dazzle as HIDs to.

Especially the projector HID bulbs are less dazzling than standard none projector bulbs!

[_-john-_]

So if you're driving at night, on a motorway, you definitely don't need them...do you? It's hardly a twisty as fuck back road in Cornwall somewhere is it!?

[_-john-_]

You posts prove im right. Either way, forget about that. I like the lights for the light they produce... just as many others do. They do increase visabilty as i found out when i managed to use some for 5 minutes. Any increase in light output, by any bulb will make it harder for oncoming traffic to see.

Really? Haha, science everyone...it's right here in Bold.

[Dave_P]

I'm with John on this one, the sooner all the inconsiderate drivers with illegal non o/e HID's are stopped, fined and get a 21 day ticket to rectify the lights the better!

[AXracing]

Rudpud is correct in that any increase of your own vehicle light output will adversely effect other road users. This is why laws governing things such as maximum headlight intensity, bulb type and bulb wattage where introduced. The reality is even an old car like the original incandescent bulb in minis had enough light to drive at normal road speeds. Road speeds have not increased but lights have got brighter due to technology moving on. This is why more and more restrictions are being introduced. If any one is having problem seeing at night there may be a fault with there headlights. Old bulbs can get dim over time and ellectrical issues can easily result in dimmer lights. There are also plenty of medical conditions that can show them self this way. Everything from just requiring corrective lenses to nyctalopia or even other neurological conditions. If you are finding normal lights dangerous you should probably see a specialist as if the problem can not be corrected you should not be driving at night or possibly at all.

[Tom5190]

So if you're driving at night, on a motorway, you definitely don't need them...do you? It's hardly a twisty as fuck back road in Cornwall somewhere is it!?

What when your doing 70 on a road and can barely see were your going? Erm yes its pretty essential to have good vision. Im not saying everyone needs them but i found the headlights shit on my car, and i think your wrong and narrowminded to say that all hids are pointless, have no pros over normal lights and they all dazzle people :n:

[Mattquantrill101]

Funny how things kick off innit.

[SteveWC]

My eyes work perfectly fine but didnt stop me nearly binning it on a corner when some idiot in a new bmw/merc coming the other way completely blinded me.

Pretty tight corner and I was going round at 60, had to completely guess the last few seconds i.e. turning the wheel without being able to see the road in front and hoping for the best!

Could of completely wrote my car off coz of some bullshit bright lamps so I gotta agree with those who are complaining

[_-john-_]

What when your doing 70 on a road and can barely see were your going? Erm yes its pretty essential to have good vision. Im not saying everyone needs them but i found the headlights shit on my car, and i think your wrong and narrowminded to say that all hids are pointless, have no pros over normal lights and they all dazzle people :n:

What a load of cod shit!

[_-john-_]

Rudpud is correct in that any increase of your own vehicle light output will adversely effect other road users. This is why laws governing things such as maximum headlight intensity, bulb type and bulb wattage where introduced. The reality is even an old car like the original incandescent bulb in minis had enough light to drive at normal road speeds. Road speeds have not increased but lights have got brighter due to technology moving on. This is why more and more restrictions are being introduced. If any one is having problem seeing at night there may be a fault with there headlights. Old bulbs can get dim over time and ellectrical issues can easily result in dimmer lights. There are also plenty of medical conditions that can show them self this way. Everything from just requiring corrective lenses to nyctalopia or even other neurological conditions. If you are finding normal lights dangerous you should probably see a specialist as if the problem can not be corrected you should not be driving at night or possibly at all.

Rudpuds saying they're fine mate, it's me who's bitching!

[Abass123]

thats what i have, dont think they are legal just like hid's but nothing else compares :y:

it doesnt matter they look the bollox imo :afro:

[Tom5190]

What a load of cod shit!

How and why?

[_-john-_]

How and why?

You're being flamboyantly over the top about driving at night. If there was any danger at all related to the normal brightness of dipped beam lights on vehicles that have been standard for nigh on 60 years, there would have been legislation to MAKE light brighter on car headlamps.

On the contrary, there is legislation to BAN hids, retrofitting is illegal, factory fitted ones are more than likely going to be put to bed too, they're ridiculously inconsiderate for other drivers.

You quite simply don't NEED them, that's the important thing here. You've fitted them because you want to modify your car, same as everyone else who's done it.

To anyone who's sat in front of you, they're a massive fuck off pain in the arse, having to raise their rear view mirror and change the angle of their wing mirrors to advert the glaring reflection so they can see forward correctly, causes dangerous situations because their surroundings can't be checked properly.

To anyone coming in the opposite direction to you, they're more than likely (unless sat in a vehicle considerably higher than yours) are going to have a hard time seeing what's going on properly.

They're pointless, dangerous, unecessary and tacky additions to vehicles that quite simply do NOT need them.

That is why what you said is a load of cod shit, this isn't even remotely subjective, it's factual that they're not suitable for normal road use, hence them saying on most packages that they're for off road use.

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

[_-john-_]

To quote AXracing in his extremely informative sticky here: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134648



Retrofit HID bulbs kits.

In the UK with the governments publishing of "The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations" of 1989
these kits were made illegal to use on the public road. It is an offence to use such kits on the road. For the latest regulations visit the governments Department For Transports home page www.dft.gov.uk And more on the European commissions website www.unece.org According to the police the maximum fine for having these fitted to a road vehicle in the UK is £2500. Also if such a kit is found to be a factor in any incident on the road you can be held liable and end up with a limitless fine and limitless time in jail. These kits are also banned in the rest of Europe, Hong Kong, US and most of the rest of the world.

General disadvantage of HID bulbs.

A big issue with HID headlights is there significantly worse colour rendering index. HID are in the high 60s to low 70s. Halogen tends to be in the mid 90s. This means that the human eye colour perception and differentiation is massively superior under halogen light than under the light produced by automotive HID. Or simply put you can see better with a halogen light. For basic information on what the colour rendering index is all about follow this link
http://www.learn.londonmet.ac.uk/pac...rendering.html

High wattage halogen bulbs.

Lm for Lm these bulbs produce a far superior light than HID with increases visibility and reduced glare. Though they are still much like the retrofit HID bulbs, this is in that they are also illegal for road use in the UK and Europe just as retrofit HID bulbs are. Though significantly higher wattage bulbs do have an added disadvantage of they can overload the original electrical system. Though moderate increase in bulb wattage has been used for many years for off road applications on many otherwise standard variety of cars. You can be fined up to £1000 for having these fitted to a road going Saxo. Also if such a kit is found to be a factor in any incident on the road you can be held liable.

[Rudpud]

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

This has annoyed me. There is no need for an on the spot fine and definately no need for 3 points. At most you should be asked to remove them from your car and have to prove that you have.

People like you are the reason why stupid law's such as exhaust noise and other such bollocks law may come into place.

Btw, saying about modding cars, have you not modded your VTS in any way?

Edit.
This thread isnt about HID's so just shut up about it.

[Tom5190]

You're being flamboyantly over the top about driving at night. If there was any danger at all related to the normal brightness of dipped beam lights on vehicles that have been standard for nigh on 60 years, there would have been legislation to MAKE light brighter on car headlamps.

On the contrary, there is legislation to BAN hids, retrofitting is illegal, factory fitted ones are more than likely going to be put to bed too, they're ridiculously inconsiderate for other drivers.

You quite simply don't NEED them, that's the important thing here. You've fitted them because you want to modify your car, same as everyone else who's done it.

To anyone who's sat in front of you, they're a massive fuck off pain in the arse, having to raise their rear view mirror and change the angle of their wing mirrors to advert the glaring reflection so they can see forward correctly, causes dangerous situations because their surroundings can't be checked properly.


To anyone coming in the opposite direction to you, they're more than likely (unless sat in a vehicle considerably higher than yours) are going to have a hard time seeing what's going on properly.

They're pointless, dangerous, unecessary and tacky additions to vehicles that quite simply do NOT need them.

That is why what you said is a load of cod shit, this isn't even remotely subjective, it's factual that they're not suitable for normal road use, hence them saying on most packages that they're for off road use.

The sooner people like you get slapped with 3 points and an on the spot fine, the better.

No i havnt

Thats not the case for all HID lights at all :S ive had plenty of cars behind me with HIDs fitted and tehre not dazzling at all. You cant sit there and say all HIDS are dangerously too bright, because there simply not.

So the factory fitted HID's on an A6 arnt suitable? guess a shit load of other people who bought cars with them fitted by manufactures will get 3 points then too eh :y:

[_-john-_]

Hope so, they're fucking pointless and dangerous to others. Ipso factso.

[Tom5190]

To quote AXracing in his extremely informative sticky here: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134648

I no there illegal i read that before i bought them. And your saying ALL hid's not just aftermarket ones :n:

[_-john-_]

Yep, all hids. All of them, they're all overly bright.

[Rudpud]

Yep, all hids. All of them, they're all overly bright.

Factory fitted are for road use..

[_-john-_]

But still overly bright and inconsiderate for other users.

Neither of you has any valid point AT ALL.

[Rudpud]

But still overly bright and inconsiderate for other users.

Neither of you has any valid point AT ALL.

No, we just dont have a problem with them like you. As i've said before the only ones that affect me are the ones fitted to X5's, Range Rovers, Etc.. because they hit you straight in the eye. Normal height doesn't bother me at all, plenty of cars drive past me with aftermarket HID's installed, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, Tom5190 has driven behind me with them on, and it didn't affect me in the slightest.

[andazw]

But still overly bright and inconsiderate for other users.

Neither of you has any valid point AT ALL.

There is no need for the 6x9's or the sub you had in your vtr... yet you had it :o

[Tom5190]

But still overly bright and inconsiderate for other users.

Neither of you has any valid point AT ALL.

Lmao you crease me you sound like a 10 year old who wont budge. Obviously got some deep hidden emotions about HID's. No matter what you say there fitted as standard on most cars and people will always fit them as aftermarket weather they get fines or not.

Heres a random snowman to cheer you up > :snowman:

[baker556]

i agree with tom5190 the standard saxo lights are shocking tbh,i have tried different headlights tested my wires etc its all fine, couple of my mates have saxo's the brightness output is the same. As they are old cars they do not compare to what your average modern day corsa light outputs.

So many new cars have xenons hids etc, i drive them at work brand new audis etc that come with them standard and there alot brighter than my HID's.

Without the HID's i find its dangerous to drive especially at night in wet conditions its extremely hard to see any light output onto the road, mine are fully aligned and are always dipped right down i have never been flashed by another oncoming driver so i do not see the big deal.

There are so many modern cars that come out with HID's fitted from factory but are still blinding to the oncoming driver as they like to point them up into the sky, i don't see how projector lenses make any difference as i have been dazzled by many bmw's with these fitted.

As another guy on the thread said, he had to guess going round a corner as he could not see the road, well if he had HID's fitted he would have also been able to see the road. Thats another reason i invested in HID's so when another bmw came along i could actually see the road i was driving on.

[skitts]

i can see very far on mine and i love them

[_-john-_]

Lmao you crease me you sound like a 10 year old who wont budge. Obviously got some deep hidden emotions about HID's. No matter what you say there fitted as standard on most cars and people will always fit them as aftermarket weather they get fines or not.

Heres a random snowman to cheer you up > :snowman:

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The thing is, 'I didn't get affected by them' is hardly any kind of valid argument, is it? The fact they're illegal to retrofit speaks volumes.

If anyone sounds like a ten year old, it'll be you...lack of any kind of tangible evidence to say they're not dangerous to other road users. When in fact there is quite a lot of evidence to prove they are.

But whatever, carry on using them...you'll hopefully/inevitably get slapped with a fine.

[_-john-_]

There is no need for the 6x9's or the sub you had in your vtr... yet you had it :o

I think it's quite safe to say that sub and 6x9's when combined together and given different eq bands to handle, don't sound nearly as bad as what anyone on here says! But that's besides the point :)

[Tom5190]

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The thing is, 'I didn't get affected by them' is hardly any kind of valid argument, is it? The fact they're illegal to retrofit speaks volumes.

If anyone sounds like a ten year old, it'll be you...lack of any kind of tangible evidence to say they're not dangerous to other road users. When in fact there is quite a lot of evidence to prove they are.

But whatever, carry on using them...you'll hopefully/inevitably get slapped with a fine.

i have made a point why there not dangerous....... manufacturer's fit them.

Theres plenty of 'illegal' things on cars apart from HID's

maybe this one instead? > :chinese: always cheers me up

[_-john-_]

Ah yeah, manufacturers fit them, must be alright then.

I prefer this one http://www.nomad-forum.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/3326.3.gif

[Tom5190]

Ah yeah, manufacturers fit them, must be alright then.

I prefer this one http://www.nomad-forum.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/3326.3.gif

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/TJW5190/team_america.gif

[Rudpud]

Ah yeah, manufacturers fit them, must be alright then.

No just they are deemed safe to use on the road.

[DundeeUnited]

say i wanted to buy hid lights for sidelights, would i need a hid conversion or could i just fit them?

[Dave_P]

Hid sidelights? WTF? Led sidelight bulbs perhaps...

[Rudpud]

Hid sidelights? WTF? Led sidelight bulbs perhaps...

For people that haven't ever changed bulb? lol.

Just mega-bright LED's.

[Ryan1992]

Gonna have to agree with John to be honest :/
Had a near miss not long ago because someone had ridiculously bright HID's
Its fun for the driver with the HID's but for other people who can see fuck all when oncoming its dangerous.

[AXracing]

Agree with John. People fitting these sort of things are only doing so for there own selfish reason and are not giving a dam about other road users. This is often what annoys people more then the modifications them self. Same can be said about people driving with there fog lights on all the time or compulsively speeding.

[huskeydog]

this arguement is stupid as said hids are legal to be fitted to new cars so get a grip and on another note i have hids on my saxo for what a year and a half never had a complaint and also my lil brother has them on his c2 n has done since he bought it 4 years ago and never had a complaint by any1 even been pulled by traffic to inspect his car n they said nufin and both off us only have them because where we stay has no street lights and are twisty roads so sorry to any1 it dazzles but i dont care am not crashing cause i cant see with normal lights causin me to drive at 10 miles an hour when its rainin at night