Engine change help please!!!

[GTJamie]

Hello im new to this forum and was just looking for a bit of help. I want to put a vtr engine in my 1.1 106 i searched through but couldnt find the info i was looking for. Was just wondering about the loom i know it will fit straight on the mounts was just wondering about loom an ecu. Any help would be much appreciated guys thanks for looking :)

[carlsmith715]

you mite find more info on 106oc as you have a 106 dont want to sound like a knob

[gsavill90]

You will need to get a VTR loom and ECU.
I managed to get a Mk2 VTR engine complete with loom and ecu on 35k miles for 120 quid off ebay a year or so ago. Plenty of them kicking about.
Then you'll need to get the ECU unlocked, and away you go.
Just make sure you tell the DVLA and your insurance company ;)

[gsavill90]

Also... are you sure it just bolts in to the mounts?
IIRC the 1.1 drivers side engine mount is different. Like 3 bolts instead of 4? I think the 1.1 mount is a pressed steel thing, but the VTR one is a cast one. Might have to do some fabrication.
I dunno though!

[carlsmith715]

considering the price i just got a vtr engine today delivered for 130 and the included everything but exhaust manifold

[GTJamie]

Thanks for your help any idea where i could get the ecu unlocked or another way around it and i thought the engines were a straight swap how sure are you about the mounts mate?

[carlsmith715]

im unsure but maybe citroen mite unlock them at a price

[gsavill90]

I got an ECU unlocked from a place called BlueHawk Electronics. Have a google :y:

Not too sure on the mount actually, you'll probably be fine with the standard one. I think the VTR and 1.1 are interchangeable at the engine side of things, but the vtr one will be stronger. You wont be able to fit a VTR mount into the 1.1 without work though. If that makes sense.

Here's a 1.1 mount:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saxo-Engine-Mount-OS-O-S-Drivers-Side-Bolts-etc-/190511846180?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c5b641324#ht_500wt_1156
And a VTR mount:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saxo-VTR-Engine-Mount-1998-/300541593579?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45f9acc7eb#ht_500wt_1156

[GTJamie]

thanks for your help mate your a star being very helpful indeed sorry to keep bothering ya though lol would i be able to do it by changing the barrell an immobiliser over instead of getting it unlocked?

[blackie_2k5]

vtr engine looms dont plug straight into 106's, you need to get then re plgugged/spliced to the chassis

[gsavill90]

vtr engine looms dont plug straight into 106's, you need to get then re plgugged/spliced to the chassis

ooh that'd be an issue!

With regards to the ecu... in theory you can just take the little immobiliser transponder chip out of the key, and replace it with the one from the donor vehicles key. In theory.

[carlsmith715]

thanks for your help mate your a star being very helpful indeed sorry to keep bothering ya though lol would i be able to do it by changing the barrell an immobiliser over instead of getting it unlocked?
if it works for you let me know as thats the way im planning on putting my vtr engine in

[GTJamie]

ok guys thank you very much for your help il keep ya posted

[gsavill90]

That's a very good point about the looms not matching.
You'll have to splice your original loom with the VTR one to make it fit.
How confident are you with electrics? :p

[blackie_2k5]

if not getting unlocked ecu.... youd need chip key, imob box, and pick up ring from ign barrell plus ecu too match them, but some still have issues if they dont get the loom aswell for some reason, much esier to just get an unlocked ecu

but still.... saxo looms dont plug and play to 106 chassis, but if youve got a 3 plug car you could just use the 1.1 loom on the vtr engine with vtr unlocked ecu

[GTJamie]

thanks guys for your help got another question my cars only a 1.1 what sort of engine change would make it a bit more decent so it actually moves lol for a decent budget.