fitting a mk1 1.6 8v inlet to mk1 1.1 8v

[P-Courty]

ive heard of it done a few times on here but never realy looked into it until i fitted a vtr radiator and fan on mine and decided i wanted a 1.6 inlet aswel, i baught one the other day without any pipe work on it so wondering which outlet leads to were and weather i would need a chip or remap aswel, anyone with any info on this would be a great help :y:

[P-Courty]

Any chance anyone has any pictures of were each pipe goes?

[williamanderson31]

i was just thinking about doing this - wondered if it would make much difference or not?

[Quick]

Is your car single or muti-point injection?

Seems a lot of effort for not much gain!

Best method is to just fit a bigger engine!

[stevo1600]

i really doubt you would get any gain. if your looking for more power then vtr engine, or even vts.

[williamanderson31]

i completely understand it wont get more power - or very little - but i read this which had a vtr inlet on a 1.1 http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379569&highlight=vtr+inlet

[stevo1600]

over exagerating abit.. you may get a few bhp but nothing to make it pull stronger i wouldnt think. i can see why it might rev up quicker with the bigger tb, and if it idles fine then for 30 quid maybe it is worth it.

turbo sounds like a plan though in a 1.1 would be so much fucking fun.

sophia_bush did a 1.1 turbo, and it doubled its power plus abit more haha :D

have you not though of the 1.4 lump?

[williamanderson31]

yeh not goona turbo it, haha, but i've seen an inlet with everything on it cheap on ebay

i am just gonna mod my 1.1 for now whilst parents are paying insurance and then go for a bigger engine in future :)

[stevo1600]

sounds good mate. the inelt is totally up to you, might sound abit nicer aswell with the vtr inlet and a nice open cone filter. bit more grunty underneath. when i put my open cone airfilter on mine i couldnt stop putting my foot down they sound really good.:y:

dont forget, you would need a vtr icv and map sensor as stated in that link to idle fine.

[Quick]

Changing the TB, would mean telling the insurance company!

As I said earlier is your car single or multi-point injection?

Pic of your engine bay would help!

[stevo1600]

their one on his progress thread,

you have to tell the insurance about a bigger tb?

fuck that they would never find out.

[williamanderson31]

yeh i have a piper-x open cone that i could stick on :) and yeh - i would get the icv and sensor - the icv would be completely different i believe

and here is a pic of the bay
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l605/williamanderson31/oldengine.jpg

[Sophia_Bush]

wouldn't fit posrt spacing and inlets are totally different on the mk1s as 11s were spi.

Only 1.1s you change to a vtr inlet on is the later 3 plug mpi 1.1 even then it doesn't make much of a different throttle response is a little better in 2nd and 3rd but rest is pretty much same same potato.

Your best bet if you just want to make it a bit more nippy but have mods that you can take over to next car if you stay 8v or have some resale value is 4 branchm exhaust and s1 rallye box lot of money to spend out really. No point turboing either really as for the cost its equal to an engine swap and insurance will be about the same. Only reason I did it was I had the parts lying about and was a bit bored

[williamanderson31]

fair enough - i wont bother :)

[woodysaxo]

So im worng thinking a mk1 vtr inlet and tb would fit a mk1 1.1???

mk1 engines 00-00
mk2 engines 0-0-0-0

because i know mk2 vtr inlet will fit mk2 1.1

Its not only power im after its the fact i want to be different, who wants to be the next jo bloggs who has a vts and the usual cams, chip induction, etc boring!!!!!!!

[williamanderson31]

its not that it wouldnt fit - cos it will
just the 1.1 is single point injection rather than multipoint (which the vtr is)
so you would need to adapt that - i think thats the reason why you couldnt
correct me if i am wrong though

[woodysaxo]

Well its not lyk your touching anything todo with the fueling side of it, just letting more air in which the ecu will try and compensate for by injecting more fuel.

But i have to say i couldnt give you an answer on this!

i believe i am having a fueling prob atm after changing inlet and induction so breathing nicely. fitting a janspeed vtr sports cat manifold its getting gas out quicker, its not as fast as it was before the manifold i know the whole idea of 4-1 and 4-2-1 manifold but i was able to reach 110 max but now struggling past 100

Just wondered if any1 had any ideas?? gonna try vtr fuel rail and injectors to see what like.

[Sophia_Bush]

as I said MK1 1.1 saxo of any variety is SPi the inlets are totally different and the SPis had a water feed on the bottom of the manifold to help with warm up. The ports on the SPI are dead small and close together, MK1 VTR inlet won't fit ports are way bigger spacing is different it's mpi etc etc

no point tuning a spi engine at all end of the day it's basically a slightly updated carb engine hence why a few people in the past have fitted a carb and inlet off an ax gt but then again cost money etc not worth it unless you get the parts for nothing

[williamanderson31]

i didnt realise about the port spacing - i thought it was same for all mk1 8v's

you learn something new every day :)

i guess 106 rallye inlets also dont fit then?

[saxo-parts]

and an SPI head has no holes for the injectors so how would you get round that?

[williamanderson31]

and an SPI head has no holes for the injectors so how would you get round that?

no idea ... i hadnt thought that far, haha

[woodysaxo]

well mate i dont know anything about mk1 engine so im gonna have to shut up about this lol

[P-Courty]

The port holes on mine match up fine its just the injectors i'm unsure about

[jamie281093]

ive heard of it done a few times on here but never realy looked into it until i fitted a vtr radiator and fan on mine and decided i wanted a 1.6 inlet aswel, i baught one the other day without any pipe work on it so wondering which outlet leads to were and weather i would need a chip or remap aswel, anyone with any info on this would be a great help :y:

vtr rad & fan different? when i changed my 1.1 for my vtr, i wacked my 1.1 rad on the vtr as it was in better condition :| haha