throttle bodies or turbo

[martinstfc]

Wot do you guys think I should go for throttle bodies or a turbo on my little furio. Anyone else done any think big to there furio if so how much bhp are you gettin cheers

[kennym1987]

turbo or 16v

[martinstfc]

Not putin a vts engine in its pointless

[Brettles1986]

Not putin a vts engine in its pointless

And turbo'ing a 1.4 is?

You'd be better off caming a 16v engine tbh

[xdoddyx]

id just stick a vtr engine in, and get it cammed with breathing mods, would be a cheaper alternative than going boost.

[axsaxoman]

Wot do you guys think I should go for throttle bodies or a turbo on my little furio. Anyone else done any think big to there furio if so how much bhp are you gettin cheers

think how much money you want to spend --that will decide which is your best option.
fittinga 1.6 8valve will be the cheapest option

[NismoSteve]

Forced induction everytime for me!

[Gandi699]

Why is a 16v pointless? Its one of the cheapest mods with the greatest gains. Bodies will be expensive either way as you'll need standalone management same as with turbocharging

[wrighty89]

Not putin a vts engine in its pointless

LOL.

True to some extent I suppose. I wouldn't bother doing an engine conversion. These cars are so cheap now you could pick up a VTS/GTi no problem.

However, in my opinion; if you want a fast/nippy car, the 16v is the only engine worth tuning. And even then forced induction will be the only route to a genuinly quick car.

[wicked-vtr]

A furio on bodies will prob only be about std vts power and will cost many times more. A boosted furio will be ok, but if your going to all that trouble why not start with the best engine? I can sort of understand boosting a vtr but a 1.4? Why?

[dannygti]

A guy called lex made around 185bhp with a turbo furio. He used some decent bits like stand alone ecu though

[rorz_vts]

Or whack a load of nitrous in it :) got a wet kit for sale if your intested

[AlexB]

Was going to mention lex haha hes localish to me and made pretty good gains from the 1.4 but fair bit of cash was spent

Also consider foggys 1400cc rally saxo on itbs 170ish iirc

Tbh though turbo.is going to be the cheaper way to gain power

Personally id go 16v first but its down to your personal preference its less messing with the dvla if it stays a 1.4 lol

[Gandi699]

I suppose if you do it using a decomp plate and dont forge the internals on the 1.4 then you could reuse the turbo gear on a larger 1600 8v unit when the time comes and just have it mapped again. Still its going to be expensive and are you really going to do this? I bet you end up just getting a VTS to be honest

[kennym1987]

Not putin a vts engine in its pointless

why is it pointless? i had a 1.1, put a 16v in and doubled the power

[stevo1600]

I'd turbo the furio if your budget is above 1k. You could make very nice power that would put a 16v to shame.

16v is cheaper option by far though. Like 400 quid for a vts engine with loom and box. But then your not exactly limited if you want even more power from it.;)

[stevo1600]

LOL.

True to some extent I suppose. I wouldn't bother doing an engine conversion. These cars are so cheap now you could pick up a VTS/GTi no problem.

However, in my opinion; if you want a fast/nippy car, the 16v is the only engine worth tuning. And even then forced induction will be the only route to a genuinly quick car.

You mistake the fact a gti or vts will kill you insurance wise compared to the furio.
Also blackie2k5 made 218bhp on a vtr lump. That is a very very very nippy car mate so no all 3 lumps are worth forced indution. you have 3 engines to boost,1.4, 1.6 8v or the 1.6 16v. The s engine benefits alot more from breathing mods cams bodies etc. so n/a wise yea that engine is the best to tune.

Edit. Forgot to mention power will increase from the 1.4 up to the 16v s engine using forced induction.

[dannygti]

The 16v is better for tuning full stop. More efficient engine to make power

[stevo1600]

Completely true mate.

I would rather cam and bodie the vts engine over the vtr or furio engines.

When it came down to which one I'd turbo, then I'd use whatever I had in the bay if I were on a budget. All 3 under boost would make good power. And obviously the s lump would make the most.

[wrighty89]

You mistake the fact a gti or vts will kill you insurance wise compared to the furio.
Also blackie2k5 made 218bhp on a vtr lump. That is a very very very nippy car mate so no all 3 lumps are worth forced indution. you have 3 engines to boost,1.4, 1.6 8v or the 1.6 16v. The s engine benefits alot more from breathing mods cams bodies etc. so n/a wise yea that engine is the best to tune.

Edit. Forgot to mention power will increase from the 1.4 up to the 16v s engine using forced induction.

If you want a fast car you have to be prepared to be the insurance and running costs.

No boubt the 218bhp VTR is a nippy car but in my opinion the turbo'd 16v's done correctly can be made into a very fast car which the others cannot.

If I was going to the trouble of a turbo conversion I would really go for it and make it bullet proof.

I still have a huge want for a ground up build on an un-touched shell with a big turbo lump in a 106 or saxo. But it would only ever be a play thing, got used to having a comfortable daily now.

[ed-bradley]

I'll always stand by "Start with the fastest, and make it faster"

[Gandi699]

Id personally start with something a little better than a saxo and perhaps 4 wheel drive but theres nothing to stop you getting creative

[martinstfc]

I want to do my furio because I want to b able to say I have a fast furio and most people convert to 16v so would b more rare. Plus the the extra insurence on a vts is probly about the same as the cost for a turbo. Sounds like turbo is the way tho. Cheers for the comments

[dan_dan_the_saxo_man]

in my mind, no matter how many times i would think it...a vts sounds better than a fast furio

[Ryan]

I guess some people like to piss into the wind more than others.

[martinstfc]

Not rely I just don't want to b the same as every other person who has eva vts or vts engine in the vtr and so on. Putting a vts engine in is not my idear or modin

[Ryan]

THe reason people do it is because it's much more bang for buck.

You forget saxo's have been on the scene for 14/15 years. People have been there done that with everything when it comes to these engines, hence why people now mod the 16v because it's a considerably better starting point. Modding a 1.4 isn't new it's just a good way of wasting money.

[devilsadvocate]

You can't polish a turd

Sticking in a 16v engine will give you 45bhp extra.

You would need to go turbo to get that kind of increase which is going to cost thousands so why not start with a more powerful engine in the first place....you can pick up a 16v for a few hundred quid.

Listen to the experienced members because they have been there and done it all.

Also, the insurance on a Turbo'd 1.4 is likely going to be more than a vts anyway....especially if you are young!

[martinstfc]

I'm 22 and for now am doin my furio but in a few years I may buy a vts and tune that

[Quick]

Why does your info below your pic say vtr if you have a furio???? Also its a blue pic in your avi???

Only reason to stay at a certain cc is if your racing and regs state it!

[DeanAngell1234]

hmmm not gonna lie martin throttle bodies would be better than a turbo for day to day running, you would need to maintain the shit out of it if it was turboed, also it would probably blow up after a while lol

[Nathan-HxC]

Told you... :y:
It'll still be slow for the money spent on it... :homme:

[martinstfc]

Because that was the old car I haven't changed the info yet

[martinstfc]

O it will b fast for a furio which is wot I want. And wot about the post at the start that says 185 bhp well if it anyfing near that then that's enuf for me.

[Nathan-HxC]

What's the point though lol...
Might be fast for a Furio but you've only got Furio's to compare it to, a VTS will rip it.
Lol you do realise the money spent getting it to that figure? It's not just a bolt on job haha.

[DeanAngell1234]

who cares who has the fastest car anyway? in my opinion saxos are about cheap, sometimes reliable fun that is meant to handle well, straight line performance is boring, cornering is where it's at!

[martinstfc]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&client=mv-rim&v=hluZopV4Q1M

That's good enuf for me. And I don't care wot a vts would do to it because a subaru would thrash a vts and so on

[Nathan-HxC]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&client=mv-rim&v=hluZopV4Q1M

That's good enuf for me. And I don't care wot a vts would do to it because a subaru would thrash a vts and so on

Lol for the money you spend on turboing a Furio you could have a cammed VTS which would rip the Furio all day long.

Because it's a Saxo VS Saxo, bit different comparing a 1.6 16v N/A to a turbo AWD Scooby lol...

[stevo1600]

It's your furio, you can do what you want with it mate :)

If you want to turbo you furio then do it. Everyone will say the 16v is the best option, which it is. But it's your car.

[xdoddyx]

and just to clarify on what a 16v gti/vts engine is capable of with the right amount of cash, Deans 106 gti turbo made 410 BHP ATW and 400 lb ft torque, but bearing in mind he went power crazy and spend a retarded amount of cash on it.
But anyways im not here to rant about what people should do etc, its your car do what you want, but either way i'd like to see the outcome :P

[DeanAngell1234]

i have a 106 gti turbo? :P

[martinstfc]

Yeah like I sed earlyr atm I'm doin the furio. And the point I'm making about the scooby is that the furio is a 1.4 8v so of course it ante as fast a vts but basicly the vts is totaly diff to furio because is 16v and 1.6.yeah I will keep an update on the progress mate

[DeanAngell1234]

might turbo the rover........ ;)

[jeffchiz]

im all up for saying its your car do what you want and makes you happy but you've made two stupid comments 'fitting a 16v is pointless'- it really isnt pointless, secondly you said '185bhp is enough for me', you say that so casually as in 185 is a conservative figure, do you realise how much that is going to cost, a cheap turbo conversion would maybe produce the same power as a vts, but the figures of 185-218 which have been mentioned have been made with a lot of money!

im fitting bodies and cams and standalone management to my vts and im hoping for 160bhp, all of this has cost me over £2k easy, thats not including the vts engine to start with and all the suspension and brakes

[martinstfc]

U fixd it yet

[jeffchiz]

have i fuck lol

[martinstfc]

Yeah I know mine won't have 185 I'm just sayin its posible. I don't c the poin of putin a vts engine in may as well just get a vts which I'm not doin atm. And I know it cost a lot but I'm willing to spend it because I want a fats furio.

[jeffchiz]

thats fair enough, i just dont want you to spunk a load of money and be disappointed with the results i was hoping for 180bhp, but reading through people threads, 160bhp seems the norm figure to get, which did make me feel a bit sick after the money i spent but i know when i drive it i'll be more than happy, one more day spent on it should see it running

[jeffchiz]

if i could go back to my first car, id keep it standard and just modify the exterior so it looks nice, low and slow! and wish i had saved all the money i wasted over the years and bought a decent car

[martinstfc]

My mate has just done his vts throttle bodies cams ecu remap lightend flywheel port polish uprated fuel regulator and other stuff and trust me it woth it that thing sound lush. Ill let u know wot his dyno print off is wen he gets it done again next week

[jeffchiz]

My mate has just done his vts throttle bodies cams ecu remap lightend flywheel port polish uprated fuel regulator and other stuff and trust me it woth it that thing sound lush. Ill let u know wot his dyno print off is wen he gets it done again next week

yea that'll be good thanks, only thing i didnt get my head ported and polished, i looked and it was around £600-700 and i couldnt justify spending that lol i could have got it cheaper through my housemate but with a starting figure of £600 no matter how much discount they gave me it'll still be too much lol

[stevo1600]

Im with jeffchiz tbh. I don't want to see people throwing away hard earned cash, and learning from peeps who have done it before. Just ask yourself is it really worth it? I've threw loads of money on shit I was advised not to on here. Don't make silly mistakes.

It's your car, just spend your money with deep thought, and listen to what respected members have said. In your shoes Martin, I would source me a low milaged vts lump. Possibley have it cammed and remapped if you had a decent budget. Along with breathing mods/suspension/brakes etc That would be a quick car on track or back roads;)

[Ryan]

fuck me is the English bad in this thread now.

All i see is lots of random shit.

[martinstfc]

Well it ante a waste of money if it wot I want. I c your point about 16v but at the month ill b fine with the 1.4. Yeah he polished the head himself cuz he's a mechanic well tbh he did all of it exsept the remap so saved a lot of money.

[devilsadvocate]

Well it ante a waste of money if it wot I want. I c your point about 16v but at the month ill b fine with the 1.4. Yeah he polished the head himself cuz he's a mechanic well tbh he did all of it exsept the remap so saved a lot of money.

That post from Ryan (above) was primarily aimed at you.

No text talk

[Tufty]

I have spent 20k on Mods for the saxo.... Gone from 1.4, 16v, 16v TBs, 16v turbo (never driven)

Just sit down and think to yourself...Im 'x' age can i afford to do it all safely? legally? and to a decent standard.

Let me tell you this. It becomes an addiction and one MASSIVE money pit.

Good luck.

[NismoSteve]

I have spent 20k on Mods for the saxo.... Gone from 1.4, 16v, 16v TBs, 16v turbo (never driven)

Just sit down and think to yourself...Im 'x' age can i afford to do it all safely? legally? and to a decent standard.

Let me tell you this. It becomes an addiction and one MASSIVE money pit.

Good luck.

Good lord, you could have a decent power impreza for that kind of cash. It is amazing how adictive it gets and how much cash evaporates over time.

[Tufty]

Good lord, you could have a decent power impreza for that kind of cash. It is amazing how adictive it gets and how much cash evaporates over time.

Ol yes mate. there are a fair few cars on here that add up to 20-30k builds...all these little gaskets and stuff at the time, £1.24 or w.e put it all into the calculator and you get some horrible numbers. :wall:

[NismoSteve]

I suppose if you can't do the work too then labour could be accounting for half these amounts?

[Brettles1986]

Is this thread still going? OP clearly isn't taking the advice he's being given so leave him to it I say.

Live life forwards learn it backwards being the motto.

[ed-bradley]

Live life forwards learn it backwards being the motto.

Thats a mindfuck.

Trying to figure that out in my head to no avail.

But yeah, Personally I'd just buy a 16v lump, My whole conversion has cost me about 300-350. Albeit, its misfiring like a bas'. But still.

Easy to do, and cheap gains for the equivilant price of an 8v camshaft and set up costs..

[Brettles1986]

Thats a mindfuck.

Trying to figure that out in my head to no avail.

But yeah, Personally I'd just buy a 16v lump, My whole conversion has cost me about 300-350. Albeit, its misfiring like a bas'. But still.

Easy to do, and cheap gains for the equivilant price of an 8v camshaft and set up costs..

Basically saying that you have to make you mistakes to learn from them.

[kennym1987]

But yeah, Personally I'd just buy a 16v lump, My whole conversion has cost me about 300-350. Albeit, its misfiring like a bas'. But still.

Easy to do, and cheap gains for the equivilant price of an 8v camshaft and set up costs..

+1 and mine works ;)

[martinstfc]

Anyway my question was throttle bodies or turbo not throttle bodies turbo or 16v. If u don't want to say which u would do then y coment at all. Its hard to find any good mod posts for furios because everyone just says 16v it. But that in no way helps me to decide wot to do with my 8v. Cheers

[NismoSteve]

Well I still say turbo it:)

[martinstfc]

Cheers man. That's wot I'm thinkin

[ed-bradley]

People are only saying go 16v first, because its the easiest and cheapest option for big power gains. And even if you wanted boost or ITB's after that, alot of used parts for them are easily obtainable.

But anyway, Personally.. I prefer ITB's over boost- On small hatchbacks like Saxo's anyway, unless I was going drag racing.

[DeanAngell1234]

bodies all the way! turbo will be too expensive to run and maintain and you'd struggle to use it everyday :)

[dannygti]

turbo will be too expensive to run and maintain and you'd struggle to use it everyday :)

Are you/do you smoke the funky stuff?


Really gets on my tits when people comment when quite clearly have no idea what they are talking about

[NismoSteve]

bodies all the way! turbo will be too expensive to run and maintain and you'd struggle to use it everyday :)

Please elaborate?

[Ryan]

Incase my comment before wasn't clear.

Please stop typing like an idiot. Text talk is not wanted om the forums.

[SAXO8VYO]

Cheers man. That's wot I'm thinkin

are you the lad i see near enough everyday when im on my way to work going into melksham youve got the bonnet scoop ? , i drive a silver furio saw you this morning coming out of bowerhill area

and a turbo'ed 1.4 sounds good but seriously think about it as if you were going to do it do it big and the right way but then on the other hand i was thinking all of this a few months back not to turbo but should i cam ect the 1.4 lump but not worth it at all just going to wait until next year them get a 1.6 16v engine re build it , cam it and then fit it then re-map . there is someone who lives near a village out near me and has a 106 1.4 8v turbo i think and hes spent 2.5k and its like 150bhp and to be honest its pants as hes spent 2k getting 30bhp more than a vts engine

[rorz_vts]

If your thinking of doing this to a 1.4 then I'd say turbo would be cheaper and easier and if you were going for instant boost then you could just run the pipe straight from the turbo to the inlet, a setup like this would get a Furio to around Vts standard easy and it would cost basically nothing as you wouldn't need a standalone ecu, intercooler etc. Maybe at a push put in some bigger injectors and fuel reg. the last vtr I bought had a similar setup and it was just as fast (if not faster) as my old iTB'd Vts that was 165bhp ATF. Obviously it's not the best way to do it but it's a option

[rorz_vts]

I have spent 20k on Mods for the saxo.... Gone from 1.4, 16v, 16v TBs, 16v turbo (never driven)

Just sit down and think to yourself...Im 'x' age can i afford to do it all safely? legally? and to a decent standard.

Let me tell you this. It becomes an addiction and one MASSIVE money pit.

Good luck.

God I can echo this :wall:

[martinstfc]

No that's my mate who lives there I have just baught the car off him. He now has vts with throttle bodies the lot. I will have to look into that rorz. Do you have any more info about doin it cheers.