sandy brown gsxr conversion

[wicked-vtr]

Hi all, got a few nooby questions here.

Do the sandy inlets use a std fuel rail/injectors?
What modifications if any need to be carried out to the fuel lines/fpr ect?
What modifications need to be carried out to the loom?
Does it have fittings for vacuum pipe to the brakes?

Ive got a predator so it should be near enough plug and play, or am I missing something?

And finally, to those who have had experience with them, what are your opinions? I.e build quality, fitting/setup, sound, power output ect ect

[J222JRA]

You use the gsxr fuel rail just change the injectors.

It has the brake servo connection.

The setup includes a fuel pressure regulator.

Im un sure of the fuel connections as of yet as i only see one connector on the rail.....


Im sure Sandy will see this thread and reply when he gets chance.

Ive considered all setups (im not on a budget) and after a long conversation with Sandy and Colin decided this was the setup i wanted.

Build quality is second to none.....im a fussy guy and cant fault either Sandy or Colins work.

Its the one setup ive never heard negative comments about.

[Gabbastard]

People are quick to use throttle bodies, but a lot of the time their spec doesnt warrant their use or cost. Just something to consider if youre going for a moderate state of tune.

[wicked-vtr]

Aye il be the first to say my engine spec won't make full use of them. I just want some engine bling tbh.
Currently running, piper bp285 cams, 1.4 xsi box, lightweight fly, pred ecu, GMC 4-1 and a btb. I'm just hoping to build a really revvy fun to drive saxo for b road blasts, not interested in massive power tbh. I feel the addition of bodies will add to the driving experience for me, plus i get maximum scene points :cool:

Cheers for the useful post j222, pretty much answered my questions :hug:

[J222JRA]

The best plan before you do anything is experience a saxo with bodies and a turbo'd one.....before you spend any cash.

[wicked-vtr]

I'd love a turbo conversion but it just isn't feasible for me. My budget is either a second hand set of bodies or nothing at all. I've been in a bodied one, from the passenger seat it didn't feel massively different tbh.

[raunchz]

I think people need to ask themselves what they want from a car - then they can decide what to do.

Just think, could sell the car and add say 5k to build up a bike engine kitcar which will be rapid and raw, vs a turbo saxo with big'ish power.

Fwd vs rwd.

Do you want to go mentally fast or a car thats enjoyable to drive hard without fearing you'll break it? Or just a weekend car which does 2k miles a year vs a daily driver doing 15k a year

[Sandy309]

It's a natural maturing of the concept of tuning your car, to progress towards something purer and more raw. I've done that myself and regularly experience some pretty extreme competition cars. But I find myself gravitating back towards tuned hot hatches every time. It's 13 years since I built my first Mi16 309, 8 years since I built my first TB'd car (205 Rallye with Jenvey bodied VTS engine on DTA, very unusual at the time!) and I've built and used daily about half a dozen other modified small hatches since. The reason I keep at it, is the value for money they offer me; I make this point because I often hear "why don't you use the money to buy a proper car?", on forums, from my old man etc etc. Well I've owned "proper cars" too and they just don't offer so much. I like a car that is practical (wife and two kids), something you can tolerate driving when tired and teasy, but feels great when you're in the mood, easy to work on and maintain, doesn't look too shabby, but doesn't stand out too much either and perhaps gets the odd nod or flash of lights approval from people in the know. Modified, but standard looking small hatches can tick all those boxes.

I have a similarly pragmatic take on TBs. Having sampled some pretty good turbo and supercharger conversions, I see the point, but they just don't stir my soul, they don't create those magic moments where the cliches roll out! Fast yes, but what's the point, we're severely limit in how fast it's practical and safe to go on the road; and trackday use is rare and extremely costly for me. A good NA engine on the otherhand, is just about as quick in real terms in give and take road use, heaps more responsive (even compared to SC'ing); but most of all, with TBs, you have the induction noise and that it such an important part of the experience for me. Done right, you'll have an enjoyably subtle growling and gurgling part throttle soundtrack, that grows into a chest hammering bark at full chat. Plenum based NA tuning isn't the same and like boost, usually relies on a tedious buzzy or boomy exhaust to create any sort of tangible noise, that gets really annoying during normal driving.
Everyone looks for an objective measure to judge tuning by, the universal one beign a headline power figure. What a shame. You can have two "160bhp" engines that produce entirely different driving experiences, and one might behave wonderfully, stay in tune longer and be good on fuel during normal use, while the other may drive you nuts with a lack of manners, perilous thirst and needing regular attention. How do you make sure it's done right? F***ing good question that! Maybe you'll look to the forums for recommendations, maybe the best magazine adverts will insipire confidence or a snappy tagline. In all honesty, the best way I think, is to get involved in the work yourself, know your car, know what you want from it and move it forward in carefully planned stages, thinking about where you probably will go with it and how silly it's likely to get!

To answer the technical questions... Our GSXR kit includes the necessary mods to use OE Pico injectors, snap on fuel line connections are included in the kit, inculding fuel reg housing, servo take off is included and if using OE loom and Predator ECU, you'll need to splice the three TPS wires. The kit is designed to give good results on otherwise standard engines up to fairly high states of tune. The myth that you can't improve a standard engine with TBs alone is based on poorly thought out TB kits, that aren't working as they should. Any NA engine can be improved with individual throttles if it's done right, it's simply a more efficient method than a plenum.