What bhp is a standard vtr

[ryso]

??????

[Cam]

90 or 98 depending on year/model.

[Vtr_Cam]

Mk1 90bhp, early mk2s are the same as they have the same engine (blacktop iirc)
Mk2 (silver tops) 98bhp

[ryso]

That's prity good like I'm thinking of getin a vts but is the extra 1k for insurance really worth 20bhp I'm sure a vtr could make 120 easy with a few mods

[Vtr_Cam]

£1000 for extra 8vs I wouldn't if I was you, keep the vtr and get some ncb and wait for it to get cheaper.

[JamesR]

That's prity good like I'm thinking of getin a vts but is the extra 1k for insurance really worth 20bhp I'm sure a vtr could make 120 easy with a few mods

Yes, but it's 8v less and it's only single cam etc - The VTS is the better car, but you would be better off with the VTR if it's £1k cheaper tbh

[ryso]

Think I will go for the vts wanna keep this car for a while and toy with it :) mite get a bit bored of a vtr

[JamesR]

Think I will go for the vts wanna keep this car for a while and toy with it :) mite get a bit bored of a vtr

It's your decision at the end of the day, you know if you can afford it or not :)

But if you want to keep it for a while and toy around with it then it's the one to go for really, with just breathing mods they are quite capable little cars :y:

[jeffchiz]

Mk1 90bhp, early mk2s are the same as they have the same engine (blacktop iirc)
Mk2 (silver tops) 98bhp

Late mk1's and early mk2's have single plug silvertops, only the very early vtrs had black tops

[jeffchiz]

Also the vts engine is a different animal to a vtr to get 120 out of a vtr is expensive for the majority of people even a cam and map could struggle to get 120, even if you spend alot and get120 the 16v's pull like a train and don't drop off higher in the rev range like gay 8v's

[ryso]

Yeah think the vts is the one for me was it one the ither day n was quite surprised gona keep this car for a year or two so wanna get the ryt one hopefully I can get a clean standard one and put my own touch to it I wouldnt do anything looks wise apart from lower it jus going for power and handling :)

[ryso]

Lol like gay 8v I like that thanks for the advise mate

[jeffchiz]

Lol like gay 8v I like that thanks for the advise mate

Lol no worries I tried to mod my vtr in the end I saw the light and replaced it with a 16v such a cheap mod for the extra power and could be done in a day

[Saxovch22]

not worth it for the 1k extra insurance tbh
probably spend nearly double the amount on petrol too

im guessing your quite young if theres a 1k difference between a vtr and vts

[ryso]

I'm 25 bt only got 1 year ncb I jus done a quick quote onlie I'm sure if I shop around a bit I could get a better price well hope so anyway

[JamesR]

Also the vts engine is a different animal to a vtr to get 120 out of a vtr is expensive for the majority of people even a cam and map could struggle to get 120, even if you spend alot and get120 the 16v's pull like a train and don't drop off higher in the rev range like gay 8v's

I wouldn't say it was that difficult? If you've got an engine that actually produces 98bhp (Sometimes they can be more) then 22 bhp is achievable with the usual bits and cam / remap?

But you're right, for the price you might as well just get the VTS or drop the engine in.

[titchster]

not worth it for the 1k extra insurance tbh
probably spend nearly double the amount on petrol too

Are you kidding? It's well worth it!

[ryso]

That's what I was thinking set of cams re map bound to make up close to 20 bhp but my minds made up gona get vts think it's best for the long run sumthin for me to toy with for a year or maybe 2 if I dnt get brd of it havnt had any car for mre than 3 month lol

[JamesR]

That's what I was thinking set of cams re map bound to make up close to 20 bhp but my minds made up gona get vts think it's best for the long run sumthin for me to toy with for a year or maybe 2 if I dnt get brd of it havnt had any car for mre than 3 month lol

Turbo it, it will never get boring :y:

[Ryanoo]

I've hit 122 on the clocks with a standard VTR (cept enclosed box it came with). So mine must be out a fair bit then.

[devilsadvocate]

I've hit 122 on the clocks with a standard VTR (cept enclosed box it came with). So mine must be out a fair bit then.

Most saxo clocks are upto 10% out.

Could have been 110mph

[jeffchiz]

I wouldn't say it was that difficult? If you've got an engine that actually produces 98bhp (Sometimes they can be more) then 22 bhp is achievable with the usual bits and cam / remap?

But you're right, for the price you might as well just get the VTS or drop the engine in.

The chances of getting an engine producing what it claims is small lol and majority of vtrs are 90 bhp, when I had mine I got a rallye inlet, rally head, 4 branch, and wanted a ph2 cam and remap people say I would have been very lucky to achieve 120bhp and it was all so expensive that engine never even saw the road just swapped it for 16 valves and sold everything on

[rorz_vts]

i personally don't see the point in modding a vtr unless your going to turbo it, I've always had vts's and the difference is huge the torque alone combined with the extra 1k rpm you get is enough to make me always go for a 16v over a 8v

[henryvtr]

I would say one thing, the vtr engine is capable of more bhp, Citroen needed a clear difference on paper and so the figures would show, but if u think about it the s is quite a performer from standard not leaving much extra bhp to get out of it were as the r is quite a under performer, I do own a r tho as I like the bottom end power, but with breathing mods and full exhaust my r made 93 bhp at wheels which is not bad at all, janspeeds dyno, plus 8 valves live forever even if they do get noisy, long live the 8 valve

[Saxovch22]

I would say one thing, the vtr engine is capable of more bhp, Citroen needed a clear difference on paper and so the figures would show, but if u think about it the s is quite a performer from standard not leaving much extra bhp to get out of it were as the r is quite a under performer, I do own a r tho as I like the bottom end power, but with breathing mods and full exhaust my r made 93 bhp at wheels which is not bad at all, janspeeds dyno, plus 8 valves live forever even if they do get noisy, long live the 8 valve

They make decent gains with breathing mods.
Like I says I was in a stripped vtr with the usual breathing mods and an xsi gearbox and I was pleasantly surprised

[titchster]

plus 8 valves live forever even if they do get noisy, long live the 8 valve

LOL. I had more trouble with my 2 8v engines than I did with my 16v engine... Headgasket died twice on my first 8v FFS...

[ChAdS]

I have had 1 vts and 2 VTRs the vts no doubt the quicker car. 1st to 3rd there is not a massive deal in it but once the vts is in 3rd thats when it really starts to pull away. I do feel the vtr has a stronger engine though

[PimpMySaxo]

90 for mk1 and 98 for mk2 i think

[jeffchiz]

90 for mk1 and 98 for mk2 i think

thats not strictly true and the question has already been answered lol

[blackie_2k5]

What ppl don't realise is the 8v was made to be slow, put a vts box on a vtr and the vtr will surprise alot of vts'. Let's face it the vtr is never going to be a vts and there in always alot more potential in a valver,

But a vtr with a few simple mods isn't bad at all, for an extra 1k I'd rather by and R and put a better box in it then wait till insurance comes down

[Saxovch22]

What ppl don't realise is the 8v was made to be slow, put a vts box on a vtr and the vtr will surprise alot of vts'. Let's face it the vtr is never going to be a vts and there in always alot more potential in a valver,

But a vtr with a few simple mods isn't bad at all, for an extra 1k I'd rather by and R and put a better box in it then wait till insurance comes down

+1

1k + the savings on tax and petrol

Vts Gearbox - 50-100 pounds
Green panel filter - 30 pounds
Supersprint exhaust system (second hand) - 100-150
raceland manifold - 80-150

should keep you happy for a while as well as your wallet happy lol

[Lewis1600]

I used to have a VTR, It had air filter, 4-2-1, straight through, and backbox.. (all done by me)

My mechanic recons it was cammed, due to marking on the cams..or something.. I didnt really take any notice, but it did run lumpy.. (Done apparently before I bought)

And my mate had a VTR with a S lump in it, and there was no difference untill 4th, thats where my VTR really slacked the extra 8V..

But to spend an extra £600-700 on S insurance, I was happy enough with my R.

[Ben_Hellon]

I bought a VTR a week ago, it's already for sale and I'm looking for a VTS. But it's your choice like everyone has said.

[titchster]

+1

1k + the savings on tax and petrol

Tax is the same, and fuel's not that much different. ;)


Blackie, a VTS box on a VTR won't make it surprise a VTS, it'd still be 22+bhp down, just with the same gearbox...

[CrouchyM]

Tax is the same, and fuel's not that much different. ;)


Blackie, a VTS box on a VTR won't make it surprise a VTS, it'd still be 22+bhp down, just with the same gearbox...

LOL I would of loved to of seen a vtr with a vts box "surprise" an S!

[Saxovch22]

Tax is the same, and fuel's not that much different. ;)


Blackie, a VTS box on a VTR won't make it surprise a VTS, it'd still be 22+bhp down, just with the same gearbox...

It gives you the edge over other VTRs haha


Well I get roughly 80miles to £10 fuel in my vtr
What would £10 get you in a VTS.

It's not worth it for an extra 1k IMO
I'm guessing that the vtr insurance for him is roughly 1-1.5k and 2-2.5k for the VTS

[titchster]

I used to get about 400 miles to a tank with my 8v, and about 350 miles to a tank with my 16v... For the extra that the 16v gives you, that 50 mile deficit is worth it. And if it's not, then hey, why not buy a diesel? ;)

I used to love 8v, and slate 16vs, right up until I went in a 16v. My opinion changed, and there's a reason I ended up with a 16v...

[blackie_2k5]

ive seen it a few times, of course itll be down on power, but as already posted, up till about 70 the really isnt THAT much diff in an R with an S box.... and an S...

not enough to want to pay an extra grand for it! i bought and insured my daily for less then that!...but its fine to add that to the price your already paying for an R?

as i said its never going to be a vts or as quick, but it its enough to warrant the saving tbh