wanna get more power out of my vts on a low budget ?

[davefurio]

basically bought a vts got a decat but still standard manny and its got a raceland induction kit what else can i buy to increase my performance without throwing mega bucks at it

[stevo67]

Full supersprint exhaust system,or just the manifold to start with.Doesn`t have to be new have a look in the for sale section.

[MiniGibbo]

If all your concerns are is speed, take everything out bar the divers seat, belt and clocks.

[Christian555]

Get your spare wheel & keep tin of tyre weld in car. It'll be a start...

[ed-bradley]

Power to wieght is key.

Get the grinder out and cut shit up.
Allowing the engine to breath more freely is a place to start, decent induction/filters, Exhaust..
JP4 heads can be bought cheaply nowadays aswell.

[Saxovch22]

Go to the gym and lose some weight or stop eating, shave all the hair on your entire body off, wear less clothes.


seriously though remove everything you can from the inside, keeping only the essentials.
that should save you 50-60kgs possibly more

[Quick]

Good service - get the engine running the best it can!

[devilsadvocate]

You are not going to get much of a power increase on a low budget, full exhaust, decat, mani decent filter is gonna set you back £250+ and that with bargain hunting. The only way for noticeable power gains is cams + remap or throttle boddies.

[MiniGibbo]

Go to the gym and lose some weight or stop eating, shave all the hair on your entire body off, wear less clothes.

seriously though remove everything you can from the inside, keeping only the essentials.
that should save you 50-60kgs possibly more

You joke but that is true, where i train im carrying a good 20kg on the "average joe" and 20kg can make the difference.

Im bollocksed at go karting..

[BertieG]

You joke but that is true, where i train im carrying a good 20kg on the "average joe" and 20kg can make the difference.

Im bollocksed at go karting..

im the same with karting, but its fuck all to do with training, more to do with being a fat bastard

[Christian555]

I love go-karting, £20 for a 20min session is quite dear tho.

[jsdvtr]

Shorter gearbox

[JamesR]

Full supersprint exhaust system,or just the manifold to start with.Doesn`t have to be new have a look in the for sale section.

This...

[JoshB]

2nd hand manifold - £80
2nd hand exhaust system - £120
2nd hand cams - £200

£400 later and you should be seeing around 135-140bhp. Then strip it out and save for a remap.

[AJDEbon]

basically bought a vts got a decat but still standard manny and its got a raceland induction kit what else can i buy to increase my performance without throwing mega bucks at it

1. Take your cylinder head off and re-seat the valves, Skim the head. Clean the exhaust ports as they become restricted through carbon deposits.

2. Elongate the throttle switch.

3. Chop your centre silencer off and weld in a straight tube.

4. Advance the valve timing by 1 degree ( will take a lot of tweaking to get right).

5. Strip unwanted parts of the interior.

Your not going to see a great deal of improvement but these tweaks will give you the edge on what you already had and you have basically spent no money just time.

[MiniGibbo]

1. Take your cylinder head off and re-seat the valves, Skim the head. Clean the exhaust ports as they become restricted through carbon deposits.

2. Elongate the throttle switch.

3. Chop your centre silencer off and weld in a straight tube.

4. Advance the valve timing by 1 degree ( will take a lot of tweaking to get right).

5. Strip unwanted parts of the interior.

Your not going to see a great deal of improvement but these tweaks will give you the edge on what you already had and you have basically spent no money just time.

He asked for simple mods that actully aid performance, not bodges that wont add power in the slightest..

[jeffchiz]

1. Take your cylinder head off and re-seat the valves, Skim the head. Clean the exhaust ports as they become restricted through carbon deposits.

2. Elongate the throttle switch.

3. Chop your centre silencer off and weld in a straight tube.

4. Advance the valve timing by 1 degree ( will take a lot of tweaking to get right).

5. Strip unwanted parts of the interior.

Your not going to see a great deal of improvement but these tweaks will give you the edge on what you already had and you have basically spent no money just time.

does seem like a lot of effort for not a lot of gain, if the head is off and its been skimmed and valves/ cams have been removed to reseat the valves then as joshb said why not spend another £200 on second hand cams(tbh if the head gasket is fine i wouldnt bother taking the head off, i paid about £120 for a head gasket kit and bolts which is a waste of money if the h/g is fine)

again why not buy a second hand supersprint center pipe for about £40 in stead of cutting and welding the original one

id take joshb's advise you will have a breathed, cammed car for relitively cheap and then get the cam timing and map sorted when youve got the money

[AJDEbon]

does seem like a lot of effort for not a lot of gain, if the head is off and its been skimmed and valves/ cams have been removed to reseat the valves then as joshb said why not spend another £200 on second hand cams(tbh if the head gasket is fine i wouldnt bother taking the head off, i paid about £120 for a head gasket kit and bolts which is a waste of money if the h/g is fine)

again why not buy a second hand supersprint center pipe for about £40 in stead of cutting and welding the original one

id take joshb's advise you will have a breathed, cammed car for relitively cheap and then get the cam timing and map sorted when youve got the money

Sorry I didn't phrase my reply properly, this would be for an absolute minimal budget what i suggested

[AJDEbon]

He asked for simple mods that actully aid performance, not bodges that wont add power in the slightest..

because you have a PHD in automotive engineering!

Did you know tweaking the throttle switch will give you more horse power than an ECU remap. Only if your in the trade you will understand why, not to the kid that plays around with his paxo, adding on bolt on goodies!

[saxo-parts]

because you have a PHD in automotive engineering!

Did you know tweaking the throttle switch will give you more horse power than an ECU remap. Only if your in the trade you will understand why, not to the kid that plays around with his paxo, adding on bolt on goodies!

can you point out this throttle switch tweak to me? if its something so simple i'll give it a go

[stevo1600]

i have bolt on goodies and id like to see your vts keep up. ive taken advice from many of the above members along time ago. they know what they are on about mate so take a chill pill and take in what they write.

an ecu remap holds alot of power when combined with full zorst sytem and induction kit. plus some second hand cams maybe ph3s and you will have a fast vts. 150-160bhp

either way power costs money. you cant simply "tweak" things to get any sort of power.

[saxo-parts]

speed costs,how fast can you afford?

[MiniGibbo]

because you have a PHD in automotive engineering!

Did you know tweaking the throttle switch will give you more horse power than an ECU remap. Only if your in the trade you will understand why, not to the kid that plays around with his paxo, adding on bolt on goodies!

You're a massive bullshitter.

[saxo-parts]

Gibbo, can you enlighten me of this throttle switch mod, have i missed something? Am i socially inadequate and nobody wants me in their gang? Please let me in on the secret as its obviouslly been kept from me for the 20 years i've been in the trade. I feel so low and unpopular, i,m starting to think even my dog hates me

[AJDEbon]

can you point out this throttle switch tweak to me? if its something so simple i'll give it a go

No problem at all, I'm going to open a new thread with pictures and instructions for all to see, however I will very very briefly explain how it works. From factory you'll probably know the car is tuned for durability not performance, therefore they restrict the voltage going to the throttle to 4.1v-4.2v (usually for a saxo VTS) out of a maximum 5v (volts), you are theoretically not getting full throttle thus restricted. The more voltage being sent to the throttle switch, will in turn tell the ECU to provide more fuel accordingly thus equalling more power.

The way in which you check the voltage to the throttle switch is obviously a voltmeter or I use a Snap-on Vantage (basically gives you a graph of the output voltage therefore giving you the ability to tweek, then lock the throttle switch when you feel 5v has been reached.

Very briefly the holes of the throttle switch are elongated allowing for movement when put back on. Now you can advance the throttle switch accordingly to how much voltage you want out of a maximum of 5.

Did you know a poorly set-up throttle can show very low voltage going to the throttle switch severely effecting performance when the throttle is fully opened.

I used to work for TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing) and this was one of the improvements we used to make to cars with throttle switches.

As mentioned above this is not a massive improvement but will help get the maximum out of what you have, i think people don't understand that throttle bodies and camshafts aren't the only things you can do!

hope this helps and good luck!

[MiniGibbo]

I believe it's an electric fan out of a pc commonly found in the family
Home lounge that's fitted backwards just before the throttle butterfly to suck more air in giving more power..

All you need is a 12v supply so in turn saves on the pointless remap that don't add power anyway.

[AJDEbon]

I believe it's an electric fan out of a pc commonly found in the family
Home lounge that's fitted backwards just before the throttle butterfly to suck more air in giving more power..

All you need is a 12v supply so in turn saves on the pointless remap that don't add power anyway.

Immature response.

[MiniGibbo]

I thought we where giving stupid banter answers after reading your comical reply..?

No..?

[saxo-parts]

i can't find the throttle switch on my saxo, can you post a pic up of it?

[AJDEbon]

i have bolt on goodies and id like to see your vts keep up. ive taken advice from many of the above members along time ago. they know what they are on about mate so take a chill pill and take in what they write.

an ecu remap holds alot of power when combined with full zorst sytem and induction kit. plus some second hand cams maybe ph3s and you will have a fast vts. 150-160bhp

either way power costs money. you cant simply "tweak" things to get any sort of power.

What the point when your still not getting full throttle?

Source: 5 years in TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing)

[MiniGibbo]

i can't find the throttle switch on my saxo, can you post a pic up of it?

I believe it's next to the flux capacitor.

[saxo-parts]

source: 5 years in Strangeways
verdict:un-lubricated bum love hurts

[saxo-parts]

I believe it's next to the flux capacitor.

is that next to my electric supercharger you fitted for me?

[AJDEbon]

i can't find the throttle switch on my saxo, can you post a pic up of it?

No problem, located just behind the throttle body and looks like this:

[saxo-parts]

i'll be interested to see the guide you do, any figures to show the given improvement in power?

[MiniGibbo]

I'm prepared to do some serious "laughing in faces"..

[AJDEbon]

i'll be interested to see the guide you do, any figures to show the given improvement in power?

As mentioned I will include all information in a new thread i will be opening in a few days, figures etc will be included.

[MiniGibbo]

I'm on the edge of my seat, what are we taking 25peak hp gain..?

Spill the beans, I've got my multi metre at the ready for the 205....

[AJDEbon]

I'm on the edge of my seat, what are we taking 25peak hp gain..?

Spill the beans, I've got my multi metre at the ready for the 205....

Do we need your 2 penny's worth comments, rather than start contradicting when yourself is no more qualified than a plank of wood.

[MiniGibbo]

I just think its wrong when billy bullshitters give bad advice to kids.

[Tom5190]

He gave a list of things you can do for 'FREE' that he believes will help. Really dont see were the problem is?

[MiniGibbo]

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

[AJDEbon]

I just think its wrong when billy bullshitters give bad advice to kids.

Please explain to me how this is bad advice?

Firstly when you can adjust to whichever voltage you like, factory or slightly advanced or even retarded for fuel economy.

Before you mention, "haha retarded" like somebody as immature and as minuscule amount of knowledge would say, it means to turn back or anticlockwise.

[jeffchiz]

He gave a list of things you can do for 'FREE' that he believes will help. Really dont see were the problem is?

wouldnt say it was free.

£120- headgasket kit
£54- head skim
£20- valve grinding kit

labour and parts for welding pipe in to your exahsut

and thats assuming you can take off and refit head with out help :P

adjust the tps by your self

adjusting timing yourself

even without labour you could still be camming your engine for the same price

[AJDEbon]

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

I think engines are bit too far in your comprehension.

[MiniGibbo]

Please explain to me how this is bad advice?

Firstly when you can adjust to whichever voltage you like, factory or slightly advanced or even retarded for fuel economy.

Before you mention, "haha retarded" like somebody as immature and as minuscule amount of knowledge would say, it means to turn back or anticlockwise.

You're advice is as useful as polishing the inlets by pouring sand into the throttle body.

[AJDEbon]

wouldnt say it was free.

£120- headgasket kit
£54- head skim
£20- valve grinding kit

labour and parts for welding pipe in to your exahsut

and thats assuming you can take off and refit head with out help :P

adjust the tps by your self

adjusting timing yourself

even without labour you could still be camming your engine for the same price

camming is a lot more involving

[AJDEbon]

What like taking the head off and not changing the gasket or fitting bigger injectors that'll just make it overfuel or how about advancing the engine..

Take your pick.

To much for you to comprehend

[MiniGibbo]

"camming" actually aids performance

[AJDEbon]

"camming" actually aids performance

There are other methods that aid performance rather than just "cams and throttle bodies", which is glued to your mind.

Investing in a decent quick-shift mechanism can enhance your acceleration, reducing 0-60 time.

read andywiddss1 post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267331, you might learn something

[jeffchiz]

camming is a lot more involving

it doesnt have to be, most fast road cams idle with oem ecu map, oem tb, std timing marks, oem valve springs/followers, cams can be fitted with no other work involved in next to no time especially in a 16v engine when the only work invovled is slipping the cam belt off, taking the cam covers off, then cam ladders and then the cams are out, empty the followers of oil and re fit everything back together, not trrying to get in an argument here but that can be done in less time than removing the head, having the head skimmed etc

im not saying that stuff is pointless as i did all of that to my vts when fitting cams and bodies, but my headgasket had gone and i wanted my engine and all my seals in good working order

[MiniGibbo]

There are other methods that aid performance rather than just "cams and throttle bodies", which is glued to your mind.

Investing in a decent quick-shift mechanism can enhance your acceleration, reducing 0-60 time.

read andywiddss1 post: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267331, you might learn something

You're comparing a "quick shift" to cams and bodies..

Are you just trollin..?

[AJDEbon]

it doesnt have to be, most fast road cams idle with oem ecu map, oem tb, std timing marks, oem valve springs/followers, cams can be fitted with no other work involved in next to no time especially in a 16v engine when the only work invovled is slipping the cam belt off, taking the cam covers off, then cam ladders and then the cams are out, empty the followers of oil and re fit everything back together, not trrying to get in an argument here but that can be done in less time than removing the head, having the head skimmed etc

im not saying that stuff is pointless as i did all of that to my vts when fitting cams and bodies, but my headgasket had gone and i wanted my engine and all my seals in good working order

I can see where your coming from as I was assuming a Re-map would need to be involved, however with cams idling issues will arise (not as bad with fast road cams but the car will still run slightly lumpy and its not a quick fix if you don't like it). At-least with a skimmed rebuilt head like you mentioned all seals should be in good working order. I think other less costly investments can be made before resulting to cams

[AJDEbon]

You're comparing a "quick shift" to cams and bodies..

Are you just trollin..?

I wasn't comparing a quick-shift to camshafts or throttle bodies, rather saying it can make a slight improvement like most things I've said.

[stevo1600]

No they cannot.

cams and a remap will hold more power than your theory im afraid and are a very good upgrade once breathing is sorted.

infact just having ph3s unmapped will produce more power than any other method in that price range.

exhaust system
induction kit
and cams are the easiest of power gains to anyone mechanically minded who owns a vts.

tweaking about with engine timing and tps voltages is seriously not worth it when you will get hardly any power gain on the tu engines.

[jeffchiz]

I can see where your coming from as I was assuming a Re-map would need to be involved, however with cams idling issues will arise (not as bad with fast road cams but the car will still run slightly lumpy and its not a quick fix if you don't like it). At-least with a skimmed rebuilt head like you mentioned all seals should be in good working order. I think other less costly investments can be made before resulting to cams

99% of people on the forum have fast road cams as they dont want the hassle of changing pistons, my housemate has the new 743 catcam cams he had them unmapped for a couple weeks, idle wasnt pefect and it did stall from time to time but it was perfectly fine to live with

in my eyes its all or nothing, what you suggest is perfectly fine, but i would only do it if im going full out on my engine, id rather just have a slightly worn out engine with breathing mods lol and then buy a new engine for £100 if it gives up ha

[AJDEbon]

No they cannot.

cams and a remap will hold more power than your theory im afraid and are a very good upgrade once breathing is sorted.

infact just having ph3s unmapped will produce more power than any other method in that price range.

exhaust system
induction kit
and cams are the easiest of power gains to anyone mechanically minded who owns a vts.

tweaking about with engine timing and tps voltages is seriously not worth it when you will get hardly any power gain on the tu engines.

I don't mean to be offensive in any way but Unfortunately you wouldn't have the knowledge neither the tooling to fully understand tweaking an engine. I used to work for TWR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walkinshaw_Racing and over time found that just Blue-printing an engine can substantially increase power.

[JoshFurioBrookes]

I don't mean to be offensive in any way but Unfortunately you wouldn't have the knowledge neither the tooling to fully understand tweaking an engine. I used to work for TWR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walkinshaw_Racing and over time found that just Blue-printing an engine can substantially increase power.

For all we know you could of been their receptionist.

If there are cheaper and more effective ways of increasing power output of VTS engines than Cams and a Remap then most of Saxperience would be doing it by now...

And by increasing power output effectively I dont mean three bhp.

[AJDEbon]

99% of people on the forum have fast road cams as they dont want the hassle of changing pistons, my housemate has the new 743 catcam cams he had them unmapped for a couple weeks, idle wasnt pefect and it did stall from time to time but it was perfectly fine to live with

in my eyes its all or nothing, what you suggest is perfectly fine, but i would only do it if im going full out on my engine, id rather just have a slightly worn out engine with breathing mods lol and then buy a new engine for £100 if it gives up ha

What I suggested mostly involved meticulous re-building and tweaking for low cost and durability. Just making better with what you have I would probably have thought would have been a better option, I know it's not going to give the gains of camshafts and have mentioned several times it's just enhancing what you have.

[AJDEbon]

For all we know you could of been their receptionist.

If there are cheaper and more effective ways of increasing power output of VTS engines than Cams and a Remap then most of Saxperience would be doing it by now...

And by increasing power output effectively I dont mean three bhp.

I think you need to read back in the thread and look at the tips I mentioned, once again these tweaks are making better for what you have and won't add substantial gains but will give the edge on what you've already got.

I think you are another believing I am comparing my minor tuning techniques at low budget and durability to camshafts and remap etc.....

Just looking at your car in a car-park tells it all

[joe333]

Strip it
4-2-1 mani
supersprint pipe
lighten, balanced flywheel
bmc/ green panel filter!

should be a nice power upgrade!

[JoshFurioBrookes]

I think you need to read back in the thread and look at the tips I mentioned, once again these tweaks are making better for what you have and won't add substantial gains but will give the edge on what you've already got.

I think you are another believing I am comparing my minor tuning techniques at low budget and durability to camshafts and remap etc.....

Just looking at your car in a car-park tells it all

Your tweaks are probably easy if your a mechanic. If your not, then I cant see how they are worth doing when there are alternatives providing more power with less effort/cost.

And what is that supposed to mean?

[MiniGibbo]

None of the noobs tips/advice will increase the power or make it run better in anyway shape or form.

I personally just think he's trollin.

This thread was answered and over by the end of the 14th post.

[JoshFurioBrookes]

Trolls are becoming harder to spot, they seem to use disguises :detective:

[AJDEbon]

Your tweaks are probably easy if your a mechanic. If your not, then I cant see how they are worth doing when there are alternatives providing more power with less effort/cost.

And what is that supposed to mean?

no need to repeat myself

[jeffchiz]

I think you need to read back in the thread and look at the tips I mentioned, once again these tweaks are making better for what you have and won't add substantial gains but will give the edge on what you've already got.

I think you are another believing I am comparing my minor tuning techniques at low budget and durability to camshafts and remap etc.....

Just looking at your car in a car-park tells it all

you think were not listening to you but your not listening to us, we arent saying you're saying that your suggestions are as powerful as cams and bodies but were talking about costs here, we dont work for tuning companies, we dont live on cloud 9 and have the time and resources to rebuild an engine to your high expectations and blueprint an engine to gain a few bhps, we want some fun which means bang for buck and (fitting cams over regrinding valve seats, skimming head, adjusting timing gives us that), your talking to the wrong crowd of people you might be very good at getting an engine to perform its best and little tweeks and some good old engineeering but you keep saying low cost, but nothing what your saying is low cost, your not talking to a race team here

i can tell you are looking down at us thinking were all narrow minded youngsters with our moddified saxos with your 'look at your car in a carpark' statement and that we are naive when it comes to engine tuning, but we live in a completely different world to you

[JoshFurioBrookes]

Ahh he was talking about my avatar picture. I take alot of photos in that car park, as the lights in there are bright. Cars look shiny in there. I like shiny things, and I shall still like shiny things when I'm old.

[AJDEbon]

None of the noobs tips/advice will increase the power or make it run better in anyway shape or form.

I personally just think he's trollin.

This thread was answered and over by the end of the 14th post.

People do like to hear alternative options rather than the usual "Cams and Remap", which half of all saxperience threads are based on. Taking a different view on things and seeking alternative options isn't wrong which you seem to think. If our thinking was left on your shoulders we wouldn't evolve, simple.

[AJDEbon]

you think were not listening to you but your not listening to us, we arent saying you're saying that your suggestions are as powerful as cams and bodies but were talking about costs here, we dont work for tuning companies, we dont live on cloud 9 and have the time and resources to rebuild an engine to your high expectations and blueprint an engine to gain a few bhps, we want some fun which means bang for buck and (fitting cams over regrinding valve seats, skimming head, adjusting timing gives us that), your talking to the wrong crowd of people you might be very good at getting an engine to perform its best and little tweeks and some good old engineeering but you keep saying low cost, but nothing what your saying is low cost, your not talking to a race team here

i can tell you are looking down at us thinking were all narrow minded youngsters with our moddified saxos with your 'look at your car in a carpark' statement and that we are naive when it comes to engine tuning, but we live in a completely different world to you

All I'm doing is suggesting alternative options and not sticking to your narrow minded views, as far as I was concerned I had finished posting at #15, but people wanted to contradict what I was saying, especially about advancing the throttle switch which costs £0.

[jeffchiz]

All I'm doing is suggesting alternative options and not sticking to your narrow minded views, as far as I was concerned I had finished posting at #15, but people wanted to contradict what I was saying, especially about advancing the throttle switch which costs £0.

you seem to be getting wound up speaking to me and im not trying to have an argument here im trying to get you to understand us and not just think we are narrowminded people, what you do is fine and i do admire people like you that have the knoweldge to do what you do in motorsport, it is interesting to hear about what your saying, im just trying to get across that WE cant do what YOU can do so for us it does cost us, you probaly have the resources to take an engine out strip it down rebuild it for next to nothing doesnt mean everyone can do that

and josh i did make that connection with your avatar lol

[MiniGibbo]

Because you're a genuine retard who can't read threads, the guys asked for the best bang for buck. And it's gospel

Loose weight

Breathing mods

Cams

Bodies

Low boost

Rebuilds ie stroking, head work

Big Boost

And that goes for all cars.

[SAM-S44MDS-]

no need to repeat myself

Yet you've repeated yourself numerous times when stating you used to work for 'TWR' :homme:

We all understand what you're saying, I've had my engine rebuilt on my old car, I've had my gearbox rebuilt, I've had my rear beam rebuilt on my current car and have replaced 99% of 'wear & tear' items on my car also...I am however in a good position to be able to do this, not every member of saxp is!

IE, a mate of mine on here works in an office for a media company and another works for his dad in refrigeration. They don't have access to ramps, tools and experience etc!

Other people on the forum work for garages/tuning companies and do have access to these things and does have the experience to do it!

What I'm saying is, fitting camshafts is alot easier for someone to do than what you're suggesting they do!
Yes for someone building a high spec engine your points are valid, but for the average joe who wants to make his car a little bit quicker down the back roads, whacking a set of cams in, a decent mani and a good exhaust are about as good as it gets

EDIT: Not a dig at you or your advice, as for rebuilding an engine it is good advice, it's just not what alot of members on here can do on the cheap.

Although, if you're offering your abilities, knowledge and time, my car is currently off road so I will happily bring it to you for you to blueprint etc, cos after all its cheaper than cams...and cams are cheap ;)

[jeffchiz]

Yes for someone building a high spec engine your points are valid, but for the average joe who wants to make his car a little bit quicker down the back roads, whacking a set of cams in, a decent mani and a good exhaust are about as good as it gets

EDIT: Not a dig at you or your advice, as for rebuilding an engine it is good advice, it's just not what alot of members on here can do on the cheap.

couldnt have said it better myself

[AJDEbon]

you seem to be getting wound up speaking to me and im not trying to have an argument here im trying to get you to understand us and not just think we are narrowminded people, what you do is fine and i do admire people like you that have the knoweldge to do what you do in motorsport, it is interesting to hear about what your saying, im just trying to get across that WE cant do what YOU can do so for us it does cost us, you probaly have the resources to take an engine out strip it down rebuild it for next to nothing doesnt mean everyone can do that

and josh i did make that connection with your avatar lol

I'm far from "wound up" I can assure you, probably one of the coolest head person you could meet. Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, however I do believe in what your saying that I have slightly over-shot the gun over costs. I have always taken for granted in getting my cylinders heads skimmed for next to nothing and have always had the correct tooling around me. Personally I set-up my nephews saxo VTS which brought me here, It was good enough to keep up with a Renault Clio 182 Cup at Santa Pod which made me proud, as i thought maybe sharing some knowledge with you guys here at saxperience would be helpful however it seems to be going down like pork in a m**lims wedding.

[AJDEbon]

Yet you've repeated yourself numerous times when stating you used to work for 'TWR' :homme:

We all understand what you're saying, I've had my engine rebuilt on my old car, I've had my gearbox rebuilt, I've had my rear beam rebuilt on my current car and have replaced 99% of 'wear & tear' items on my car also...I am however in a good position to be able to do this, not every member of saxp is!

IE, a mate of mine on here works in an office for a media company and another works for his dad in refrigeration. They don't have access to ramps, tools and experience etc!

Other people on the forum work for garages/tuning companies and do have access to these things and does have the experience to do it!

What I'm saying is, fitting camshafts is alot easier for someone to do than what you're suggesting they do!
Yes for someone building a high spec engine your points are valid, but for the average joe who wants to make his car a little bit quicker down the back roads, whacking a set of cams in, a decent mani and a good exhaust are about as good as it gets

EDIT: Not a dig at you or your advice, as for rebuilding an engine it is good advice, it's just not what alot of members on here can do on the cheap.

Although, if you're offering your abilities, knowledge and time, my car is currently off road so I will happily bring it to you for you to blueprint etc, cos after all its cheaper than cams...and cams are cheap ;)

Your problem is that I am the first to break the mould, which there is nothing wrong with

[SAM-S44MDS-]

I'm far from "wound up" I can assure you, probably one of the coolest head person you could meet. Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, however I do believe in what your saying that I have slightly over-shot the gun over costs. I have always taken for granted in getting my cylinders heads skimmed for next to nothing and have always had the correct tooling around me. Personally I set-up my nephews saxo VTS which brought me here, It was good enough to keep up with a Renault Clio 182 Cup at Santa Pod which made me proud, as i thought maybe sharing some knowledge with you guys here at saxperience would be helpful however it seems to be going down like pork in a muslims wedding.


Not at all fella. Don't get the wrong idea, you are right in what you say to an extent, but, only for someone building a high spec engine.

Read the part I said above that jeffchiz highlighted buddy and you may understand!

You do sound like a knowledgable person, just the knowledge you have won't benefit 99% of members because they can't afford to fork out £££ to possibly gain 1-2hp, they want to fork out £££ and jump from ~120 to ~145+ bhp.

You see what I mean? :hug:


EDIT: What does the above mean? My 'problem' is you're the first to break the mould?

I'm sorry mate, I have no problem! If you read the post rather than getting defensive over it, I was actually defending what you said...just explaining to you that it's not beneficial for most on this site!

Yes, you have the knowledge and access to the tools to blueprint and set things up. If a customer was to come to you, what would you charge?

[JoshFurioBrookes]

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[jeffchiz]

I'm far from "wound up" I can assure you, probably one of the coolest head person you could meet. Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, however I do believe in what your saying that I have slightly over-shot the gun over costs. I have always taken for granted in getting my cylinders heads skimmed for next to nothing and have always had the correct tooling around me. Personally I set-up my nephews saxo VTS which brought me here, It was good enough to keep up with a Renault Clio 182 Cup at Santa Pod which made me proud, as i thought maybe sharing some knowledge with you guys here at saxperience would be helpful however it seems to be going down like pork in a muslims wedding.

clio 182 pah :homme: my housemates vts with cat cam 743's pulls lengths on clio 197's, howver im led to believe the clio 172 has the quickest 0-60 time out of the range?

what did you do to your nephews vts? and what time did it run?

dont get me wrong id love for you to take my engine and work some magic on it, but for the time being a refurbed head, 708's and jenveys will do me, id only get a port and polish done witha bottom end rebuild if i went down the route of wilder cams with high comp pistons etc

saxo engines are cheap to buy if things go tits up

[Gandi699]

clio 182 pah :homme: my housemates vts with cat cam 743's pulls lengths on clio 197's, howver im led to believe the clio 172 has the quickest 0-60 time out of the range?

what did you do to your nephews vts? and what time did it run?

dont get me wrong id love for you to take my engine and work some magic on it, but for the time being a refurbed head, 708's and jenveys will do me, id only get a port and polish done witha bottom end rebuild if i went down the route of wilder cams with high comp pistons etc

saxo engines are cheap to buy if things go tits up

172 cup will do 0-60 in 6.5. Only the trophy is capable of this, a 182 in marginally slower but its so minute it'll all be down to driver

[tichy]

Tbf you sound like you know nothing about saxo's why don't you just leave giving advise to people who know what there going on about. If there where 'cheaper' ways to make a vts quicker than breathing mods and cams half of saxp would be doing it.

[AJDEbon]

clio 182 pah :homme: my housemates vts with cat cam 743's pulls lengths on clio 197's, howver im led to believe the clio 172 has the quickest 0-60 time out of the range?

what did you do to your nephews vts? and what time did it run?

dont get me wrong id love for you to take my engine and work some magic on it, but for the time being a refurbed head, 708's and jenveys will do me, id only get a port and polish done witha bottom end rebuild if i went down the route of wilder cams with high comp pistons etc

saxo engines are cheap to buy if things go tits up

My Nephews Vts had the following:

Standard Cams

1. Valves re-seated and knife edged at 45 degrees

2. Cylinder head skimmed to near maximum tolerance of 20 Fal (any more will cause pre-ignition commonly known as pinking)

3. Resistors in the cooling system

4. Vacuum hose plugged on the fuel regulator (Allows full pressure at all times, therefore once the injector has opened the fuel leaves the injector at maximum pressure rather than a lapse that you usually get, I won't go into this any further as many other websites will explain this more clearly).

5. Throttle switch advanced

6. Valve timing advanced using standard pulleys (valves opening just before TDC), used special tooling at work to make sure the valves didn't hit the piston.

7. To compensate the increase of Fuel, most of you will be familiar with a Cold air feed induction.

8. Exhaust manifold ports matched to cylinder head exhaust ports, you will find that most exhaust manifolds will overlap very slightly with the cylinder head exhaust ports therefore causing an obstruction to exiting gases.

9. This minor modification can add a few 1000ths of a seconds, is knife cutting the butterfly in the throttle body (get gases flowing through as smoothly as possible)

10. Silencer and Catalytic converter removed, standard backbox, standard manifold.

11. Balanced drive-shafts.

12. Quick shift

13. Wheels balanced (aim to reduce power loss)

14. ECU Ignition timing altered

15. Valve guides smoothed

There are probably other modifications I have forgotten, but the basis of my set-up was to bring everything working together; it is very difficult and takes a lot of patience and testing.

I know he was running in the 14's.

[MiniGibbo]

So basically it's a standard vts, congratulations on wasting your time.

[B205GTT]

My Nephews Vts had the following:

Standard Cams

1. Valves re-seated and knife edged at 45 degrees

2. Cylinder head skimmed to near maximum tolerance of 20 Fal (any more will cause pre-ignition commonly known as pinking)

3. Resistors in the cooling system

4. Vacuum hose plugged on the fuel regulator (Allows full pressure at all times, therefore once the injector has opened the fuel leaves the injector at maximum pressure rather than a lapse that you usually get, I won't go into this any further as many other websites will explain this more clearly).

5. Throttle switch advanced

6. Valve timing advanced using standard pulleys (valves opening just before TDC), used special tooling at work to make sure the valves didn't hit the piston.

7. To compensate the increase of Fuel, most of you will be familiar with a Cold air feed induction.

8. Exhaust manifold ports matched to cylinder head exhaust ports, you will find that most exhaust manifolds will overlap very slightly with the cylinder head exhaust ports therefore causing an obstruction to exiting gases.

9. This minor modification can add a few 1000ths of a seconds, is knife cutting the butterfly in the throttle body (get gases flowing through as smoothly as possible)

10. Silencer and Catalytic converter removed, standard backbox, standard manifold.

11. Balanced drive-shafts.

12. Quick shift

13. Wheels balanced (aim to reduce power loss)

14. ECU Ignition timing altered

15. Valve guides smoothed

There are probably other modifications I have forgotten, but the basis of my set-up was to bring everything working together; it is very difficult and takes a lot of patience and testing.

I know he was running in the 14's.

I think your right mate, there are other ways of improving power that just aint been looked on, just stripping the car out makes a big difference!

[B205GTT]

So basically it's a standard vts, congratulations on wasting your time.

I cant see how everything can be standard, guy has tuned what hes got. better than what you done mate, stop dissin

[Gandi699]

Cooling system resistors?

[stevo1600]

The above is a waste of money and time unless you have a high spec n/a vts/106 etc which would mean you would like to squeeze everything you could out of it. much like sandys race engines.

if you have the knowledge and time to modify the head etc then yes i agree do it as its free. most who want power from there vts don't have that kind of knowledge and want more power than what the above will offer. i.e cams and a good full exhaust system + enclosed induction kit and a remap slapped on top. it doesn't cost the earth and makes very good power which has been proven

i dare say a standard vts with a decent 4-1 full system will be the same if not quicker than the above spec of your nephews vts. i like new ideas and new ways to make engines produce more power. but the above just doesn't do it for me or many of the members reading this thread.

im not at all slating you or arguing with you - im just pointing out the fact that the mods you have posted will probably have more of an effect on a high spec n/a car and more of a power gain will be shown.

[MiniGibbo]

I cant see how everything can be standard, guy has tuned what hes got. better than what you done mate, stop dissin

What have i done thats not as good then..?

Id of taken out the back seats ten minutes before leaving the house and still acheived a better time at the 1/4 than the guy.

[stevo1600]

What have i done thats not as good then..?

Id of taken out the back seats ten minutes before leaving the house and still acheived a better time at the 1/4 than the guy.

I agree. weight saving will be the best acceleration gain on any car.

[MiniGibbo]

And even if its still a daily road car you can leave the seats in and just fit a full exhaust and a set of cams in a saturday morning and have more power.. much much more power.

[stevo1600]

exactly. a second hand set of ph3s can be grabbed for a few hundred quid...

like i say, the mods he has done would be worth it on a very high spec highcomp or boosted engine. pretty pointless on a standard lump bar the quick shift.

[ed-bradley]

Buy another J4 engine, put it in the back. DOUBLE POWA.

[devilsadvocate]

Buy another J4 engine, put it in the back. DOUBLE POWA.

Did not think of that!

[B205GTT]

What have i done thats not as good then..?

Id of taken out the back seats ten minutes before leaving the house and still acheived a better time at the 1/4 than the guy.

put it dis way, i'd have him tune my car over u any day mate.

[Prickle]

u disn the g in le yellow bema?

[Gandi699]

put it wot wey

[ed-bradley]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n611/Black_Reaper13/fa79d5e6_shit-just-got-real.jpg

[B205GTT]

The above is a waste of money and time unless you have a high spec n/a vts/106 etc which would mean you would like to squeeze everything you could out of it. much like sandys race engines.

if you have the knowledge and time to modify the head etc then yes i agree do it as its free. most who want power from there vts don't have that kind of knowledge and want more power than what the above will offer. i.e cams and a good full exhaust system + enclosed induction kit and a remap slapped on top. it doesn't cost the earth and makes very good power which has been proven

i dare say a standard vts with a decent 4-1 full system will be the same if not quicker than the above spec of your nephews vts. i like new ideas and new ways to make engines produce more power. but the above just doesn't do it for me or many of the members reading this thread.

im not at all slating you or arguing with you - im just pointing out the fact that the mods you have posted will probably have more of an effect on a high spec n/a car and more of a power gain will be shown.

I agree with some of what you said but not all.

firstly I wouldnt go underestimating what hes done, there are other ways of getting more power out of the vts

Don't matter if you agree with it or not mate, just because you don't agree with it don't mean its bad, I personally think its a step forward. red

Ive seen a similiar setup on my mates saxo who raced in saxmax, I can tell you that would hav pissed any cammed vtr! blue

this guy makes sense that factory only tune for durability and not performance, they dont want engines to last 20000 miles think about it! im not dissing anyone on this forum but there are people out there who are in the trade that know alot more than us specialy myself and rarely come to saxp.

[Gandi699]

Id like to hear the comments from some of the other engine builders and tuners who use this website. They been very quiet on this thread...probably have better things to do though!

[B205GTT]

u disn the g in le yellow bema?

yh so wat? been reding this guys posts and all he does is chat s**t
he knows less dan me and that sayin somin

[B205GTT]

Id like to hear the comments from some of the other engine builders and tuners who use this website. They been very quiet on this thread...probably have better things to do though!

yh probably lol

[BertieG]

yh so wat? been reding this guys posts and all he does is chat s**t
he knows less dan me and that sayin somin

Who's Dan Me? Does he know a lot about engines?

[B205GTT]

Who's Dan Me? Does he know a lot about engines?

grow up

[MiniGibbo]

put it dis way, i'd have him tune my car over u any day mate.

yh so wat? been reding this guys posts and all he does is chat s**t
he knows less dan me and that sayin somin

yh probably lol

grow up

Do tell, i think youll find my advice in this thread has been of much more use than your friends..

And i agree with Gandi699, i want to hear from the likes of Kamracing, Sandy, Ryan etc etc.

[ed-bradley]

I do agree to some extent with things like Knife edging, porting & polishing and skimming shit up. It all adds up, but not to a majorly noticeable level without the engine being modified highly already. Which someone has said already I'm sure. On something like a pretty much standard Saxo engine, its not really worth the hassle in my opinion.. Although, if you can do it yourself..for free. Then why not.

Although, New Kawasaki 10R engines come with alot of the above done as standard. So if kawasaki are doing it to there engines to the limit, then it must make some difference as appose to prior.

[B205GTT]

Do tell, i think youll find my advice in this thread has been of much more use than your friends..

And i agree with Gandi699, i want to hear from the likes of Kamracing, Sandy, Ryan etc etc.

Joined saxp cause i just bought a vts mate not to get in confrontations lol!!

I like the guy who made this thread want to tune on low budget, I mean i aint got no money so good to listen to a few quick mods.

anyone got any ideas to tune on the free???

surely ther must be ways though tht just aint been thort of!

[Gandi699]

still no ones told me what a cooling system resistor does!

[B205GTT]

still no ones told me what a cooling system resistor does!

dont hav a clue

[MiniGibbo]

Joined saxp cause i just bought a vts mate not to get in confrontations lol!!

I like the guy who made this thread want to tune on low budget, I mean i aint got no money so good to listen to a few quick mods.

anyone got any ideas to tune on the free???

surely ther must be ways though tht just aint been thort of!

Ive posted it many times as well as other long standing members,

loose weight
full exhaust and intake
cams
remap
bodies
remap
boost
remap.

[Brettles1986]

Joined saxp cause i just bought a vts mate not to get in confrontations lol!!

I like the guy who made this thread want to tune on low budget, I mean i aint got no money so good to listen to a few quick mods.

anyone got any ideas to tune on the free???

surely ther must be ways though tht just aint been thort of!

Speak proper English and you will get more respect here... FACT!

Gangster talk is not cool!

[B205GTT]

Speak proper English and you will get more respect here... FACT!

Gangster talk is not cool!

I'm deeply sorry,

I rite how i like mate and I dont speak thru the computer lol!

[B205GTT]

Ive posted it many times as well as other long standing members,

loose weight
full exhaust and intake
cams
remap
bodies
remap
boost
remap.

how much weight do you reckon you can lose on a sax

[ed-bradley]

Pretty sure theres someone on here with a low 600kg 106.

I had mine near 700KG's, with FG bonnet, polycarbs and a day spent with an angle grinder cutting the bay and interior apart.

[AJDEbon]

still no ones told me what a cooling system resistor does!

I won't explain

[Brettles1986]

I'm deeply sorry,

I rite how i like mate and I dont speak thru the computer lol!

If we're being pedantic then:

*write
*I
*don't
*through

[MiniGibbo]

Pretty sure theres someone on here with a low 600kg 106.

I had mine near 700KG's, with FG bonnet, polycarbs and a day spent with an angle grinder cutting the bay and interior apart.

Really..? Does a Saxo/106 have 300kg too lose from factory..?

Edit: I'd of thought you'd struggle to get below 800kg wet weight.

[vts-dave]

davep's s1 rallye is in the 600's

[ed-bradley]

Really..? Does a Saxo/106 have 300kg too lose from factory..?

Edit: I'd of thought you'd struggle to get below 800kg wet weight.

Yep, it was originally a 1.1 shell to start with, so slightly lighter.

Bearing in mind I got my figures done when there was no dashor interior at all..Just a set of Clocks, the odd button, 1 Drivers bucket & harness.

Alot of the internal metal Cut out, windows replaced, Fibreglass panels, bumpers cut up, No sunroof etc etc. All adds up.

[jeffchiz]

Joined saxp cause i just bought a vts mate not to get in confrontations lol!!

I like the guy who made this thread want to tune on low budget, I mean i aint got no money so good to listen to a few quick mods.

anyone got any ideas to tune on the free???

surely ther must be ways though tht just aint been thort of!

as weve already said the stuff he mentioned wasnt free, actually quite costly, he even said that?! i dont have anything against the guy, im just saying it like i see it

I'm deeply sorry,

I rite how i like mate and I dont speak thru the computer lol!

its actually a forum rule not to use text language, only 12 yr old girls still used text language i thought.

[jeffchiz]

best shell for lightness are the base model s1's dont have engine or interior sound deadening, nothing is electric, no sunroof, nothingg lol also pre cat one for mot times, that what i want to get at some point and drop my itb'd 16v engine it, decent brakes/suspension/tyres, strip everything, fit a bucket and your away whaeyyyyy

[MiniGibbo]

Or a base model 205 and be even lighter ;)

[joe333]

davep's s1 rallye is in the 600's

His car is unreal!:hug:

[Brettles1986]

Ive posted it many times as well as other long standing members,

loose weight
full exhaust and intake
cams
remap
bodies
remap
boost
remap.

I thought the answer was:

Chrome wiper blades
Go faster stripes
Electric supercharger
Ebay resistor (possibly in coolant???)

[joe333]

I thought the answer was:

Chrome wiper blades
Go faster stripes
Electric supercharger
Ebay resistor (possibly in coolant???)

Fucking lol:clapping:

[B205GTT]

its actually a forum rule not to use text language, only 12 yr old girls still used text language i thought.[/QUOTE]

just easier to type with lol

[Loz2212]

still no ones told me what a cooling system resistor does!

I think its supposed to tell the engine to run all the time on a cold start. Basically a shitter version of the power boost valves.

[MiniGibbo]

So the cars alsways running rich.. great start :homme:

[Gandi699]

I think its supposed to tell the engine to run all the time on a cold start. Basically a shitter version of the power boost valves.

As I thought - the ebay bodge method of fooling the ECU into dumping more fuel in. Just wanted to confirm thats what it was haha

[MiniGibbo]

Dont forget this guy worked for TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing) for FIVE YEARS..


No wonder they sacked him LOL..

[xxo0pko0xx]

anyone who knows abythibg about cars will tell you you need back pressure
cars need backpressure. if you remove the back pressure your car will loose power. say if you fit a decat your back pressure will be lost so you will loose power. you can regain this with a simple 4-2-1 manifold, a sports cat or a turbo. to gain power you need to make the exhaust gases run as freely as possible after the back pressure point

alternatley fit a electric s/c and some chrome rims. will see you about the 500 hp mark :homme:

[xxo0pko0xx]

if were talking bang fot buck however i would buy a cuttuning kit for a vts, supersprint centreand get your throttle bodie ported and polished. these are all simple mods and should see about 170 hp with no remap

[Cam]

170bhp with no re-map :wacko:

[MiniGibbo]

if were talking bang fot buck however i would buy a cuttuning kit for a vts, supersprint centreand get your throttle bodie ported and polished. these are all simple mods and should see about 170 hp with no remap

Not sure if srs :detective:

[henryvtr]

Just some input on the weight, do not think you will get below 800kg, my vtr was 850 on the weight bridge, full interior stripped out, two buckets, no spare, still got sunroof to lose and all windows are standard

[MiniGibbo]

I reckon you could get a saxo for 750 with grp panels etc.. as said previously though lads have done it youve just got to go to the extreme.

If i wanted to make a "super light weight" id put my money in an s1 or even lighter a 205. Get a base model 205 like an XS or similar and put a 16v tu in it and youre talking 700kg with 120hp with ease.

Not sure how the other base models compare but my 205 full wight is 794kg so i should imagine the others would be simiular.

[Lewis1600]

Just some input on the weight, do not think you will get below 800kg, my vtr was 850 on the weight bridge, full interior stripped out, two buckets, no spare, still got sunroof to lose and all windows are standard

But dave on here is in the 600's...

[MiniGibbo]

S1's are lighter than a saxo to begin with.

[xxo0pko0xx]

S1's are lighter than a saxo to begin with.

s1 stripped to fuck with fibreglass boot and bonnet, modified bumpers abd lightweight alloys is great for track but not so good for every day??

[xxo0pko0xx]

170bhp with no re-map :wacko:

ABOUT 170.

anyhow cittuning claim 40-50hp gains with theyre kits. we will do some adding up

120 + 40 (the lowest power cittuning claim you can get) is 160. a turbo will fkow nore freely wit a sports exhaust and a p&p throttle bodie. so generous id say top of 170. hence why i said ABOUT 170.

[BertieG]

ABOUT 170.

anyhow cittuning claim 40-50hp gains with theyre kits. we will do some adding up

120 + 40 (the lowest power cittuning claim you can get) is 160. a turbo will fkow nore freely wit a sports exhaust and a p&p throttle bodie. so generous id say top of 170. hence why i said ABOUT 170.

it was the words no remap that people had trouble with. it will 100% need a map to run well

[xxo0pko0xx]

it was the words no remap that people had trouble with. it will 100% need a map to run well

im not so sure....

gav is runnibg a cit tuning kit on his vtr. made 136hp on a 90hp engine and his runs fine

dont get me wrong the gains would be better with a remap. ofc they would. but what im saying is that you can run it without a remap if need be. my ibiza im running unmapped atm till i can afford to fet it mapped on 15psi. im only running 5psi atm lol

[MiniGibbo]

Stripped cars are an arsehole to live with regardless of what car it is to begin with..

[xxo0pko0xx]

Stripped cars are an arsehole to live with regardless of what car it is to begin with..

ohh yeah i understand that

so the answer to this thread is

bang for buck you want either a DIY boosted kit or cams,exhaust.

if you dont care above living with a stripped car then strip ut as well as the above

youll have good babg fir buck for less then a a k

[xxo0pko0xx]

Stripped cars are an arsehole to live with regardless of what car it is to begin with..

ohh yeah i understand that

so the answer to this thread is

bang for buck you want either a DIY boosted kit or cams,exhaust.

if you dont care above living with a stripped car then strip ut as well as the above

youll have good bang for buck for less then a k

/ thread

[jeff-jeff981]

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I do think there are gains to be had from small cheap moddifications.

Have a read of this!
I'ts about a guy that modified a 1lt micra and recorded all the results with a dyno.

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/ebbdude-s-micro-micra-project.40020/

Chrs Jeff

[knight-22]

Have a read of this!
I'ts about a guy that modified a 1lt micra and recorded all the results with a dyno.

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/ebbdude-s-micro-micra-project.40020/

Chrs Jeff

Only had a quick skim through, but theres some interesting stuff in that thread! :y:

[jeff-jeff981]

Theres also a 1.3 but if I remember that one is a little more involved

But still very interesting and informative.

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/maxi-micra-project-by-ebbdude.40439/

Chrs Jeff

[MiniGibbo]

LOL wheres John when you need him..

[KrazyDayz]

4-speed gearbox

[Prickle]

Interesting

[KrazyDayz]

i stripped out my last VTR.. the handling becomes pathetic at the least,. it gets very backend happy.. none of this lift off over steer, it's just wipe out or nothin..

[Mochachino]

i stripped out my last VTR.. the handling becomes pathetic at the least,. it gets very backend happy.. none of this lift off over steer, it's just wipe out or nothin..

lol..sounds like you know your stuff.

[AlexB]

i stripped out my last VTR.. the handling becomes pathetic at the least,. it gets very backend happy.. none of this lift off over steer, it's just wipe out or nothin..

did you remove weight evenly or just all from the rear

[MiniGibbo]

Id suggest taking the engine out to even the weight loss.

[boabVTR]

Id suggest taking the engine out to even the weight loss.

having read thro this thread. you really do sound like a smart arsed little c*nt. if youve not got anything that is actually going to help people then why write it.

[Mochachino]

having read thro this thread. you really do sound like a smart arsed little c*nt. if youve not got anything that is actually going to help people then why write it.

lol calm down. Think the internet might not be serious enough for you.

[boabVTR]

anyhow quite interested in the throttle switch idea makes sense cant see why it wouldnt improve (even if its minimal) throttle response if voltage is higher.

[MiniGibbo]

having read thro this thread. you really do sound like a smart arsed little c*nt. if youve not got anything that is actually going to help people then why write it.

This is a tech section, please keep it on topic.

[boabVTR]

lol calm down. Think the internet might not be serious enough for you.

hahaha no its annoying when your reading thro a thread and someones filled it full of crap.

[MiniGibbo]

Which is why we where questioning the "race engine building god who spouted nothing but shit"

[jeffchiz]

Id suggest taking the engine out to even the weight loss.

This is a tech section, please keep it on topic.

Jeffchiz Said Thank You to MiniGibbo For These Useful Posts :drink:

[MuZiZZle]

Which is why we where questioning the "race engine building god who spouted nothing but shit"

He worked for TWR you know! For 5 years!

[MiniGibbo]

Wonder why they fired him :detective:

[MuZiZZle]

Wonder why they fired him :detective:

Maybe they got a hot drinks vending machine?