Megasquirt I v2.2

[littleblue1]

I need an aftermarket ecu for my vtr turbo currently running a Gt17 turbo 440cc injectors, decomp plate, 4 bar fpr, green air filter, cam and full exhaust system, no remap or nothing running on standar internals at 9.5 psi made 152.1 Bhp ATW I was shocked, my fueling is well out running lean as anything but I really don't no how it's still going lool! She is a beast lool! but yea I need an after market ecu have a budget of 400 quid I need it to control fueling, spark, and so on! What's out there been doing research found omex 600, megasquirt ecu off eBay the guy said he can make a loom up for my car including the ecu for 400 quid is thy good or bad and can any dyno place map this or do they have to have the software for te ecu? I was thinking about going for a unichip ecu aswell, any good? Or a GoTech pro x but not heard much about these tbh? Need help guys anyone??

Many thanks

[MickyWelsh172]

Ahhh shit, thought it was gonna be a link to some dirty porn site!!

MickyWelsh = Very Disappointed

[greyjasper51]

Omex = not cheap but good and megasquirt you can build yourself, mapping of megasquirt is all backwards and alot of people wont map them, emerald is a favorote one, dta another tbh mate alot is personal preferance and whos closest to you thatll map it... Me personally im thinking of megasquirt because i can build it and its interesting... :-)

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[littleblue1]

I have a dyno place 10 mins from me haha I get good rates due to my friend is a good friend of the boss haha! And true I just need an ecu they can temp and tune to my car etc I'll have a look at those 2 u just mentioned cheers

[98silvervts]

I need an aftermarket ecu for my vtr turbo currently running a Gt17 turbo 440cc injectors, decomp plate, 4 bar fpr, green air filter, cam and full exhaust system, no remap or nothing running on standar internals at 9.5 psi made 152.1 Bhp ATW I was shocked, my fueling is well out running lean as anything but I really don't no how it's still going lool! She is a beast lool! but yea I need an after market ecu have a budget of 400 quid I need it to control fueling, spark, and so on! What's out there been doing research found omex 600, megasquirt ecu off eBay the guy said he can make a loom up for my car including the ecu for 400 quid is thy good or bad and can any dyno place map this or do they have to have the software for te ecu? I was thinking about going for a unichip ecu aswell, any good? Or a GoTech pro x but not heard much about these tbh? Need help guys anyone??

Many thanks


Dont go near them they are sh1t... I had a GoTech pro x on my zvh fiesta rst.. nothing but constant trouble

[blackie_2k5]

You sure those aren't fly figures?

I'd steer clear of emerald as well, most ppll hate them for mapping as well

[blackie_2k5]

Basically it all depends on your budget

But should also be confirmed with your mapper, find out who you are to use for mapping and see what they prefer or can map and move from there

[littleblue1]

Nope had 171.4 at the flywheel and 152.1 ATW mate, oh okay haha it's either unichip ecu or omex then, I probably need to find out from dyno place what ecu's they can map enit

[littleblue1]

Like u said all about budget! I'll have to up the budget then tbh! Better to be safe than sorry

[Drago]

I'd steer clear of emerald as well, most ppll hate them for mapping as well

Really?? Personal experience?
I find that quite the opposite. Emerald is probably one of the easiest ecu's to understand and tweak any fine adjustments using a laptop to achieve good idle/fuelling etc. Adaptive mapping feature is very easy to use.

You will also get good tech advice when you ring them with any questions.

[blackie_2k5]

Just what I've been told by a lot of the mappers I've spoken to, most prefer omex or dta, my current mapper actually despises emerald and said he'd rather map on megatune then emerald lol

Good ecu's, just seem to be hit and miss on ppl using them,

[littleblue1]

Sounds like it will have to be omex or unichip then cheers for all the advice guys and I'll let u no what I go for in the end

[Sophia_Bush]

your budget = dastek if you want it mapped as well

[littleblue1]

Yea I am steering towards omex may as well do it properly the first time like I have done with the whole conversion

[Ross]

predator ecu perhaps? Approx £450 all in, mapped, last i checked.

Fucking hell, that's two posts i've made plugging Andy's warez - I should get a kickback tbh.

And really blackie?? My mapper loves Emerald big time. He's that good he'll map a fucking carthorse mind you, but the only one he hates with a passion is KMS.

[blackie_2k5]

Suppose it's down to preference really, but jave spoken to 5 or 6 local mappers all said they hated emerald, mine hates emerald and kms haha

He sticks omex and prefers them built he'll map anything if you ask him

He hates mega squirt as well, but was very happy with tuner studio on the Pred

[atspeedracing]

Very few professional mappers will touch megashit. Omex, MBE or Emerald are you best options, and most places will happily tune them.
As most people know we are omex agents. We sell it because it is good. Not for profit margins. All of the forementioned ecu's will do the same job and all have the same "toys". Launch control, Full throttle gear shift etc. The thing that sets omex apart is the customer support, it is the best by far, and that is priceless in my opinion.

Avoid megashit like the plague!

Ian

[Ryan]

I'd steer clear of emerald as well, most ppll hate them for mapping as well

I can name several people who map emerald. Dave walker is very busy though so his feedback after can be hard to finalise at times. But other mappers I've dealt with have been great with questions.

[AXracing]

Talk to who is going to do your setup as no point fitting a ecu they will not work with. I like Omex as there relatively user friendly and Omex the self where very helpful ( even years down the line ). The Omex ECU I am told also fits in to the Saxo wiring not to badly.

[blackie_2k5]

Not saying they aren't out there Ryan, just know a lot of ppl hate it, i bet you could find alot more ppl that won't touch it then will, as always there are specialists for all walks, just depends if they're in your area :)

Hence saying best to talk over a budget with who you'll use for mapping, for majority of ppl omex will be most popular and easier to find a good mapper

Just boils down to cost at the end of the day

[gazza808]

Very few professional mappers will touch megashit. Omex, MBE or Emerald are you best options, and most places will happily tune them.
As most people know we are omex agents. We sell it because it is good. Not for profit margins. All of the forementioned ecu's will do the same job and all have the same "toys". Launch control, Full throttle gear shift etc. The thing that sets omex apart is the customer support, it is the best by far, and that is priceless in my opinion.

Avoid megashit like the plague!

Ian

Typical reply I'd expect from some one like you,

The new versions of ms3 are better spec'd than Omex 600 And 710 tbh,

Also people blame megasquirt,
It's usually the useless fuck installing/building it,

I've never had a problem in my personal car and done approx 50k,
I installed 3 a couple of years back never any issues, and I know 2 people who run them on drag cars running 8v vaux lumps to the tune of 600bhp+ just to prove their as good as the others and they are still on ms1!!

So maybe you want to stop spouting crap!

And is ms is so crap void pred because its basically All it is?

[blackie_2k5]

Ppl base most ecu's in the software used to map them, ms stuff used to be so bad it got a really bad name

For most ppl's set ups a mega squirt would be the ideal solution, lots of Americans have used squirt for years on drag/race cars and all manor of monsters, can be spec'd to the needs you want and built or upgraded with the vast majority of features/things any other " brand name" ecu could

Most never get them as they don't need them

[K567]

i always love it when you see comments like professional mappers wont touch megasquirt?
why wouldnt they?
is it because professional mappers generally map only the hardware they sell?

What is it about Megasquirt, what makes it in your mind megashit?

can it run and deliver all the functions that an engine needs to be efficient, make power, and be safe.....

BAD tunes are by BAD mappers not BAD software or hardware

id be more inclined to say a professional mapper will be able to map any ecu with the software it supports

ive played with plenty of software and ecu options from Electromotive Tec to Motec, EFI, Pectel DTA Autronic.... it is funny that all claim to be and do the best, yet when you break it down to the basics they all do the same job with varying degrees of resolution from 12x12 to 64x64 maps blended or not with all the required inputs, to mix the right amount of fuel with the available amount of air with a spark at the right time under a varied range of conditions fact is as long as the calculations are correct why would you need anything finer the 16x16.... prove it?

lets face it..... as blackie said..... ask your mapper what he will do and get that ecu.....

if you want to keep costs down dont be afraid to do megasquirt, just tell your mapper thats what your gonna use, he can download tunerstudio and within a couple of hours he'll be able to run it without issues..... that is if he is a PROFESSIONAL mapper, because lets face it if your a professional you should be able to use anything

when i did my efi101 courses in the states we used many different ecu's and softwares and the courses were not about the ecu's or the software but about how to build a map using all the required inputs make it safe, get it to start in all temperatures run smoothly make power efficiently or not as the case may be ;)

Now im not claiming to be a professional mapper, and i have no interest in being one, but i'm not afraid to tinker and have the basic/intermediate knowledge to do so and thru that id make one recommendation, if your interested in cars be interested in every aspect, dont rely on people who work for shops to give you anything but slightly if not totally biased info towards the products they sell and last but not least join EFI101 forums for a World Class School they even have a spot for Megasquirt and describe it as it is "for the DIY crowd"

Enjoy and have fun

[titchster]

Megasquirt is HUGE in the MX5 world. I'd say 75%+ of boosted MX5s are running Megasquirt. Which tells me it really can't be bad at all.

[AXracing]

to be fair MS have a bit of a history of being glitchy with rather unfriendly software and most of all being made really badly. much of this was more down to how badly some diy ones where made and not a true representation of what the such units could do. But even so I still know many people who would rather not work on them. Last thing you want as reputable tuner is having engines that have your name on them having major problems.

So there is no reason a well made MS can not be used to good effect but dont be shocked if some tuners may refuse to work on them. Also dont be shocked if many people would recommend other slightly more expensive units as at least you can guarantee quality. Even things like the predator may just be a MS in a new box with a new name. But there made to a standard that at least means people know it will work well. Hence why they dont call it a MS.

Last time I seen this conversation come up there where also quite a few post pointing out the standard ecu in these vehicles actually had a higher resolution and quicker response time then the MS. So people where calling the MS a downgrade. Though the standard ECU is not exactly easy to map.

[atspeedracing]

im assuming when you say "someone like you" your refering to someone who works on all manor of systems day in day out, from the budget up to the professional system, giving them unrivalled and unbiased experience from the direct item the topic is based upon?
so, with that experience you soon discover the good and bad points of each individual system... wether its one you sell or not.. you can buy them anywhere, but generally ALL tuners will have a preferred system, wether its motec, mbe, omex, kms, dta.. and thus they will push that product because thats what will allow them to do, in their opinion, the best job, not for profit - we always say they can buy it from anywhere.

the advice is always the same - use the system your chosen mapper is happiest using.

and as our own opinion, shared by many professional tuners alike, so its not me just being an asshole (stevieG @ track and road, steve @ SBD, troy at northampton motorsport etc) - we wont touch megasquirt, and generally any "cheap" ecu, because of problems experienced with it. slow data transfer, connectivity issues, crashing software, freezing hardware, no customer support etc. i, and im sure most professional tuners, could give you endless horror stories about the subject.
wether this is down to the guy who built it, installed it, is irrelevant.. as a tuner the job is to tune it, and if im unable to tune it because there is possibility of varying problems due to the build or install, then it soon becomes non worthwhile getting involved... rutheless? YES, but its how you have to be, because unfortunately, although there may be 800+hp cars out there running it problem free... a large proportion of them are generally hornet nests and best to stay away from. generally this is evident as soon as the bonnet is opened - call it a stereotype or whatever, but we see it every week..

giving someone advice to use something else (particularly something more expensive) will ALWAYS please some and upset others - its inevitable.
-- you like MS? thats fine - but dont hate me --
as i say, its an opinion shared by many tuners and advice given by many tuners, not just me.

a lot of ECUs boast all these fancy toys they "can" run... but a lot of the time we find they can only run a few of them at the same time before you run into issues with the ecu physically not being powerful enough to do it, which is always a bit of a let down, because people end up buying something unfit for purpose - theres nothing worse than buying a piece of equipment expecting it to be able to do what you want, then 6 months later finding out it cant. - unfortunately when you have had bad experiences with a piece of equipment, wether they release "new and improved" or not, sometimes its too late to change someones mind.

refering to mx5 owners using them on turbo cars.. bit like the ford scene with their pectels and skylines on hks etc i should imagine... there is always that "trend" people follow - but that does not necesarily make it correct, sometimes its simply because people havent tried anything else, which is quite common on forums.. they all just seem to go for one becasue generally thats where the communial knowledge is based from, which can sometimes make it appear the right choice.

we have said this time over on many forums about MS - for those who wish to learn about efi, build their ecu on a budget and tinker with it themselves in their garages over a period of weeks, thats fine... but if they get a problem they cant expect a professional tuner to be so pleased to take on a system they have seen time and time again cause nothing but grief and waste valuable time on the dyno, generally resulting in wasted cost for the customer, which could have gone towards a better management system, in the long run saving money - which happens time and time again.

hope that helps

- colin.

[gazza808]

Troy at northampton Motorsport was impressed with my installation tbh and said it was a pleasure mapping it....

But I do agree to a point, but most of its bad name comes from people who don't know there arse from elbow building it an installing it. I found most people wouldn't touch it because people were taking cars no where near ready for mapping because they didn't have a clue,

[luthor1]

Troy @ NMS has mapped many MS systems.

Genuine "LOL" @ Colins' post, frickin' hilarious mate :P someone send him an antacid before he perforates an ulcer

:afro:

[K567]

As I said professional tuners can and will map anything professional salesmen will map what they sell.
MS back in the early days I first saw them in 2000 and to be honest I thought they were very basic, but even then when built right they were as good and any higher price eqivelant
DIY ECU's have always just been that but now your buying DIY ECU's that are fully fabricated to HIGH standards and any mapper that says they won't map them isn't a professional ! Customer service and tuning go together hand in hand and when someone comes to you to get a map done on their ECU and your a professional why would you turn them away stating the product their using is shit??? That's just arrogance an is more likely to ruin a good name than tuning and demonstrating functionality. IE if your a great tuner demonstrate it, then show a comparison. This is as far as your ecu will take you vs this how far x ecu would due these additional features....

[littleblue1]

Finally made my mind up and went for a predator who h andy from here, just teasing me needs to put on the car and he needs to map it a lot of changes have been made since I started the conversion haha!